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There’s truth in there, but it’s spun like hell. Just as a conservative would feel about a similar article from a far-left outlet. David Zack (APD) and Van Duncan (BCSO) are good folks, then the “anonymous sources” 🙄, and Chad Nesbitt is a tub-thumping nutball, JMO. One thing to remember about presenting changes in terms of percentages is that it dramatizes increases from previous relatively low numbers. 11 murders through August or whatever are 11 too many, but a lot of cities would be grateful to have only that many. But this is what journalism has devolved to these days. Click-bait for all.

Most of the murders are drug-related, the homelessness issue is mostly drug-related, as is the associated dumb-chit street crime. The cost of living is crazy here, with huge income disparity, and police, firefighters, nurses, teachers, office workers, blue collar workers etc. find it nearly impossible to buy a house. That’s a big factor in the loss of public safety officers - they aren’t paid nearly enough, and they definitely aren’t paid enough to bring in new officers.

Antifa, LMFAO. Not much has happened in the way of protests here since George Floyd. Yes, APD got a lot of public criticism. A cop beat the chit out of a black guy several years back for, now, what was it? Murder? Rape? Domestic assault? Armed robbery? Vehicular homicide? Oh, that’s right: jaywalking. And he had a known record of excessive violence against suspects, and his fellow officers covered up for him, until he finally got caught on cellphone video. Don’t get all poor-me when criticized for actions by a fellow officer when this guy’s crap was covered up. (And others have not exactly been Sheriff Andy.) Later, during a peaceful protest, APD tear-gassed the crowd, a lot of which was families and kids. That was just stupid, and it really poured gasoline on the fire of public opinion. If a department wants to refute these negative portrayals, then show that they’re incorrect, or at least that things are improving. Pouting is never attractive.

I like the current APD chief. I hope he can stem the tide and get staffing back up. I don’t think all police officers are KKK, but I sure as hell don’t think there aren’t a number of bad apples with a lot of undeserved protection. Talk is cheap. Get out and show people that you mean it when you say that you protect and serve all citizens.
Been waiting for this response. And you didn’t disappoint.
 
Lol. Smartass.
Wasn’t being a smarta**. It’s a thing with these watches. I feel like it’s probably similar to the old one battery wise. Based on reading, I thought it was supposed to be better, but I’m ok with it.
 
Wasn’t being a smarta**. It’s a thing with these watches. I feel like it’s probably similar to the old one battery wise. Based on reading, I thought it was supposed to be better, but I’m ok with it.
I know it's a thing with those and I know you weren't being a sa.

Mine is way better than the other but I still think 4 days is my limit. I could probably squeeze another day or so out of it if I cut out all my notifications and turned off lift wrist and turned on automatic dim. But That's why I love this watch lol. It's bright, colorful and the vibration is off the charts.
 
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There’s truth in there, but it’s spun like hell. Just as a conservative would feel about a similar article from a far-left outlet. David Zack (APD) and Van Duncan (BCSO) are good folks, then the “anonymous sources” 🙄, and Chad Nesbitt is a tub-thumping nutball, JMO. One thing to remember about presenting changes in terms of percentages is that it dramatizes increases from previous relatively low numbers. 11 murders through August or whatever are 11 too many, but a lot of cities would be grateful to have only that many. But this is what journalism has devolved to these days. Click-bait for all.

Most of the murders are drug-related, the homelessness issue is mostly drug-related, as is the associated dumb-chit street crime. The cost of living is crazy here, with huge income disparity, and police, firefighters, nurses, teachers, office workers, blue collar workers etc. find it nearly impossible to buy a house. That’s a big factor in the loss of public safety officers - they aren’t paid nearly enough, and they definitely aren’t paid enough to bring in new officers.

Antifa, LMFAO. Not much has happened in the way of protests here since George Floyd. Yes, APD got a lot of public criticism. A cop beat the chit out of a black guy several years back for, now, what was it? Murder? Rape? Domestic assault? Armed robbery? Vehicular homicide? Oh, that’s right: jaywalking. And he had a known record of excessive violence against suspects, and his fellow officers covered up for him, until he finally got caught on cellphone video. Don’t get all poor-me when criticized for actions by a fellow officer when this guy’s crap was covered up. (And others have not exactly been Sheriff Andy.) Later, during a peaceful protest, APD tear-gassed the crowd, a lot of which was families and kids. That was just stupid, and it really poured gasoline on the fire of public opinion. If a department wants to refute these negative portrayals, then show that they’re incorrect, or at least that things are improving. Pouting is never attractive.

I like the current APD chief. I hope he can stem the tide and get staffing back up. I don’t think all police officers are KKK, but I sure as hell don’t think there aren’t a number of bad apples with a lot of undeserved protection. Talk is cheap. Get out and show people that you mean it when you say that you protect and serve all citizens.
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There’s truth in there, but it’s spun like hell. Just as a conservative would feel about a similar article from a far-left outlet. David Zack (APD) and Van Duncan (BCSO) are good folks, then the “anonymous sources” 🙄, and Chad Nesbitt is a tub-thumping nutball, JMO. One thing to remember about presenting changes in terms of percentages is that it dramatizes increases from previous relatively low numbers. 11 murders through August or whatever are 11 too many, but a lot of cities would be grateful to have only that many. But this is what journalism has devolved to these days. Click-bait for all.

Most of the murders are drug-related, the homelessness issue is mostly drug-related, as is the associated dumb-chit street crime. The cost of living is crazy here, with huge income disparity, and police, firefighters, nurses, teachers, office workers, blue collar workers etc. find it nearly impossible to buy a house. That’s a big factor in the loss of public safety officers - they aren’t paid nearly enough, and they definitely aren’t paid enough to bring in new officers.

Antifa, LMFAO. Not much has happened in the way of protests here since George Floyd. Yes, APD got a lot of public criticism. A cop beat the chit out of a black guy several years back for, now, what was it? Murder? Rape? Domestic assault? Armed robbery? Vehicular homicide? Oh, that’s right: jaywalking. And he had a known record of excessive violence against suspects, and his fellow officers covered up for him, until he finally got caught on cellphone video. Don’t get all poor-me when criticized for actions by a fellow officer when this guy’s crap was covered up. (And others have not exactly been Sheriff Andy.) Later, during a peaceful protest, APD tear-gassed the crowd, a lot of which was families and kids. That was just stupid, and it really poured gasoline on the fire of public opinion. If a department wants to refute these negative portrayals, then show that they’re incorrect, or at least that things are improving. Pouting is never attractive.

I like the current APD chief. I hope he can stem the tide and get staffing back up. I don’t think all police officers are KKK, but I sure as hell don’t think there aren’t a number of bad apples with a lot of undeserved protection. Talk is cheap. Get out and show people that you mean it when you say that you protect and serve all citizens.
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There’s truth in there, but it’s spun like hell. Just as a conservative would feel about a similar article from a far-left outlet. David Zack (APD) and Van Duncan (BCSO) are good folks, then the “anonymous sources” 🙄, and Chad Nesbitt is a tub-thumping nutball, JMO. One thing to remember about presenting changes in terms of percentages is that it dramatizes increases from previous relatively low numbers. 11 murders through August or whatever are 11 too many, but a lot of cities would be grateful to have only that many. But this is what journalism has devolved to these days. Click-bait for all.

Most of the murders are drug-related, the homelessness issue is mostly drug-related, as is the associated dumb-chit street crime. The cost of living is crazy here, with huge income disparity, and police, firefighters, nurses, teachers, office workers, blue collar workers etc. find it nearly impossible to buy a house. That’s a big factor in the loss of public safety officers - they aren’t paid nearly enough, and they definitely aren’t paid enough to bring in new officers.

Antifa, LMFAO. Not much has happened in the way of protests here since George Floyd. Yes, APD got a lot of public criticism. A cop beat the chit out of a black guy several years back for, now, what was it? Murder? Rape? Domestic assault? Armed robbery? Vehicular homicide? Oh, that’s right: jaywalking. And he had a known record of excessive violence against suspects, and his fellow officers covered up for him, until he finally got caught on cellphone video. Don’t get all poor-me when criticized for actions by a fellow officer when this guy’s crap was covered up. (And others have not exactly been Sheriff Andy.) Later, during a peaceful protest, APD tear-gassed the crowd, a lot of which was families and kids. That was just stupid, and it really poured gasoline on the fire of public opinion. If a department wants to refute these negative portrayals, then show that they’re incorrect, or at least that things are improving. Pouting is never attractive.

I like the current APD chief. I hope he can stem the tide and get staffing back up. I don’t think all police officers are KKK, but I sure as hell don’t think there aren’t a number of bad apples with a lot of undeserved protection. Talk is cheap. Get out and show people that you mean it when you say that you protect and serve all citizens.

Sounds like "growing city" problems more than anything. The article made it sound like it was WW3 up in there. 11 murders this year? That's a normal weekend in Charlotte it seems like lately.
 
Sounds like "growing city" problems more than anything. The article made it sound like it was WW3 up in there. 11 murders this year? That's a normal weekend in Charlotte it seems like lately.
best evaluated on a per capita basis. there was a time when Albany, GA was the per capita murder capital of the US. Only reason I know that is I went to college with a bunch of people from Albany, many of whom had t-shirts proclaiming their hometown the murder capital of the USA.
 
Sounds like "growing city" problems more than anything. The article made it sound like it was WW3 up in there. 11 murders this year? That's a normal weekend in Charlotte it seems like lately.
best evaluated on a per capita basis. there was a time when Albany, GA was the per capita murder capital of the US. Only reason I know that is I went to college with a bunch of people from Albany, many of whom had t-shirts proclaiming their hometown the murder capital of the USA.
Both of these are true.

It's getting worse (although again, much of the violent crime involves the same people predating on one another, fueled by alcohol, meth and other drugs, mental illness), and it's not WW III.

Asheville city's population was ~94.6k per the 2020 census. Per estimates, it's now ~96.8k, although I have no clue what magick is used to project population growth. I also have no clue how many, or any, of the homeless are included in these figures, especially since the 2020 census occurred during Covid.

The number of homeless here currently is around 640, of whom around 230 are unsheltered, meaning that they are living in informal camps, sleeping in doorways, etc. Last year, the count was 527 homeless (so a 21% increase in a year) and 116 unsheltered (so a 100% increase in people choosing not to stay in shelters - yes, there is room in the shelters.) Most of those fleeing domestic abuse are sheltered and awaiting safe and permanent housing. The VA has housing for homeless veterans, again leading to permanent housing. I used to work with (= track numbers, etc.) for VA groups working with homeless veterans. One very real factor in chronic homelessness is addiction, with or without accompanying mental illness. The "only mentally ill" are generally easier to eventually get off the streets, once their psychiatric issues are under treatment. (No one wants to live in the terror of being an untreated schizophrenic, even though the disease sometimes makes them stop treatment temporarily.) But the "dual-diagnosis" - mental illness + substance abuse/ addiction; boy howdy. The unending self-destruction makes it so hard for them to change their lives. I could never do what social workers and others do in attempting to interact with these guys (mostly guys, some women.) I don't have the strength to go through daily heartbreak.

Back to the crime stuff, the unsheltereds' impact on the rest of Asheville is mostly in the "vagrancy" category - hassling by panhandlers, trash (including human waste, broken bottles, used needles), vandalism, car break-ins. None of which is great by any means, but we are not (currently) living the zombie apocalypse. More like having an ongoing really-badly-run music festival taking place, but without the music.

And then, separately, are the crimes - much more violent - accompanying the business (in the literal sense) of serious drug dealing: murders, human trafficking (sexual and otherwise), family disruption, turf wars taking place among low-income people just trying to get by, get a job, and get their kids grown. Some of their casualties wind up in the homeless group.

Anyway, blah blah blah, just some commentary that as with almost everything in life, things are generally more complex that can be summarized in a 2:30 minute news clip or 500-word article, even when the writers are trying to be fair and dispassionate.

I'd REALLY like to get off this subject, if we could. And thanks for erebody staying reasonably calm.
 
Both of these are true.

It's getting worse (although again, much of the violent crime involves the same people predating on one another, fueled by alcohol, meth and other drugs, mental illness), and it's not WW III.

Asheville city's population was ~94.6k per the 2020 census. Per estimates, it's now ~96.8k, although I have no clue what magick is used to project population growth. I also have no clue how many, or any, of the homeless are included in these figures, especially since the 2020 census occurred during Covid.

The number of homeless here currently is around 640, of whom around 230 are unsheltered, meaning that they are living in informal camps, sleeping in doorways, etc. Last year, the count was 527 homeless (so a 21% increase in a year) and 116 unsheltered (so a 100% increase in people choosing not to stay in shelters - yes, there is room in the shelters.) Most of those fleeing domestic abuse are sheltered and awaiting safe and permanent housing. The VA has housing for homeless veterans, again leading to permanent housing. I used to work with (= track numbers, etc.) for VA groups working with homeless veterans. One very real factor in chronic homelessness is addiction, with or without accompanying mental illness. The "only mentally ill" are generally easier to eventually get off the streets, once their psychiatric issues are under treatment. (No one wants to live in the terror of being an untreated schizophrenic, even though the disease sometimes makes them stop treatment temporarily.) But the "dual-diagnosis" - mental illness + substance abuse/ addiction; boy howdy. The unending self-destruction makes it so hard for them to change their lives. I could never do what social workers and others do in attempting to interact with these guys (mostly guys, some women.) I don't have the strength to go through daily heartbreak.

Back to the crime stuff, the unsheltereds' impact on the rest of Asheville is mostly in the "vagrancy" category - hassling by panhandlers, trash (including human waste, broken bottles, used needles), vandalism, car break-ins. None of which is great by any means, but we are not (currently) living the zombie apocalypse. More like having an ongoing really-badly-run music festival taking place, but without the music.

And then, separately, are the crimes - much more violent - accompanying the business (in the literal sense) of serious drug dealing: murders, human trafficking (sexual and otherwise), family disruption, turf wars taking place among low-income people just trying to get by, get a job, and get their kids grown. Some of their casualties wind up in the homeless group.

Anyway, blah blah blah, just some commentary that as with almost everything in life, things are generally more complex that can be summarized in a 2:30 minute news clip or 500-word article, even when the writers are trying to be fair and dispassionate.

I'd REALLY like to get off this subject, if we could. And thanks for erebody staying reasonably calm.
You pay your reparations?


North Carolina city commits $2.1M for reparations
 
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No one got anything more interesting to do than Google Asheville?

So for some reason, the Zone prez wants to keep this going, despite me saying above that I'd really like it to stop. So, fine; whatever.

to answer: Don't think so, not yet. IIRC (probably I don't), the issue is figuring out how to do this.

It's a very real issue. A lot of wealth of black individuals and families was destroyed by the destruction of their neighborhoods and small businesses due to fun things like the construction of I-240. (For those who have danced the dance of using I-240 to cross north-south through Asheville, its lunatic route is by no means coincidental. It generally follows the paths of now-missing low-income, mostly black, neighborhoods.) Other stuff like pressures for space by expanding (white) businesses, redlining by banks refusing to lend for mortgages and businesses in these neighborhoods. Etc.

Many of us grew up with some degree of financial stability due to the fact that so many of our parents and grandparents owned their own homes, modest as they might have been. In addition, many were able to get college education and move into what used to be the middle class. Thank you GI Bill, although social realities meant that many black veterans were unable to use its benefits to buy homes. Similar problems with using education benefits. https://americanexperience.si.edu/w...5/02/After-the-War-Blacks-and-the-GI-Bill.pdf, How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans

Playing a game of cards when you don't get dealt the same hand as others, and then the rules are different for you, and only you, rarely allows anyone to win at cards.

Rocy, if you or anyone else posts more little tidbits like this, it's going to start to seem that you're just dangling bait. I have other things to do, and y'all probably do too. This is already way more research than I ever wanted to do.
 
No one got anything more interesting to do than Google Asheville?

So for some reason, the Zone prez wants to keep this going, despite me saying above that I'd really like it to stop. So, fine; whatever.

to answer: Don't think so, not yet. IIRC (probably I don't), the issue is figuring out how to do this.

It's a very real issue. A lot of wealth of black individuals and families was destroyed by the destruction of their neighborhoods and small businesses due to fun things like the construction of I-240. (For those who have danced the dance of using I-240 to cross north-south through Asheville, its lunatic route is by no means coincidental. It generally follows the paths of now-missing low-income, mostly black, neighborhoods.) Other stuff like pressures for space by expanding (white) businesses, redlining by banks refusing to lend for mortgages and businesses in these neighborhoods. Etc.

Many of us grew up with some degree of financial stability due to the fact that so many of our parents and grandparents owned their own homes, modest as they might have been. In addition, many were able to get college education and move into what used to be the middle class. Thank you GI Bill, although social realities meant that many black veterans were unable to use its benefits to buy homes. Similar problems with using education benefits. https://americanexperience.si.edu/w...5/02/After-the-War-Blacks-and-the-GI-Bill.pdf, How the GI Bill's Promise Was Denied to a Million Black WWII Veterans

Playing a game of cards when you don't get dealt the same hand as others, and then the rules are different for you, and only you, rarely allows anyone to win at cards.

Rocy, if you or anyone else posts more little tidbits like this, it's going to start to seem that you're just dangling bait. I have other things to do, and y'all probably do too. This is already way more research than I ever wanted to do.
I didn't see the stop talking part till after I posted. So I apologize.
 
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Any white person who supports reparations needs to sell all of his/her property and give the proceeds to the nearest people of color they can find. Otherwise, they're just a loud mouth hypocrite trying to to stoke racial division to support some political agenda. Just my opinion and not addressed to anyone in particular.
 

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