Cuonzo Feeling Unwanted

[mtt2d]

Typical espn drivel.

 

[volbeast33]

We have been over this before. I do respect that you hold the coached to the same standards. All who didn't like him aren't racist. I don't think you are. Your feelings and actions don't speak for all though.

Some praised and still praise Tyndall who was worse in everysingle way. How do you explain the differnce in how they were treated? Martin had more exciting, higher scoring teams who won more with the same type of rosters and expectations.

You also can't say that its not a factor in him leaving. His wife received death threats and they didn't feel safe. It was a factor. There is a reason writers bring it up. It happened.

There is maybe two to three people that still like Tyndall.....just like there are two or more people that still champion C Martin......I don't like either one and I don't like Pearl any more bc he coaches the enemy....I am a Rick Barnes fan right now although I am in wait and see mode with him.

As for the media, controversy sells....just like the crazy white kid that shot up the black church.....Every story was about the confederate flag and very little attention was given to the thousands of white and black people standing hand in hand praying for the families of the tragedy. We need stories that bring all of us together instead.

 

[butchna]

There is maybe two to three people that still like Tyndall.....just like there are two or more people that still champion C Martin......I don't like either one and I don't like Pearl any more bc he coaches the enemy....I am a Rick Barnes fan right now although I am in wait and see mode with him.

As for the media, controversy sells....just like the crazy white kid that shot up the black church.....Every story was about the confederate flag and very little attention was given to the thousands of white and black people standing hand in hand praying for the families of the tragedy. We need stories that bring all of us together instead.

Great post! Standing above the rest of this nonsense.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

When that petition came out, Martin had missed the NCAAT every single year of his coaching career so far and it appeared that 2014 was going to be no different. TN was something like 15-10 (6-6) when the signature count was exploding.

Tyndall was well liked as he was overachieving through the first half of the SEC schedule. His support steadily declined as the loses piled up on the back end of the conference schedule.

 

[IPleadInsanity]

There are racist people in the southern USA. Breaking story on ESPN. More to come.

 

[k-town_king]

When that petition came out, Martin had missed the NCAAT every single year of his coaching career so far and it appeared that 2014 was going to be no different. TN was something like 15-10 (6-6) when the signature count was exploding.

Tyndall was well liked as he was overachieving through the first half of the SEC schedule. His support steadily declined as the loses piled up on the back end of the conference schedule.

Martin overacheived his years going by preseason expectations. 15-10 with a great probability to still make it with a team that was not even ranked preseason is no reason to to turn on a coach. People seem to forget we were not rankedand had new pgs. We did about what was expected. Then we improved as the year went along and finished with one of UTs greatest seasons. A few early losses don't minimize the great year it ended up being.

Tyndall got way more suppor t than earned. Even after the horrible year people said they hope he can be retained and was better than Martin. He got the benefit of the doubt and every excuse possible for his garbage coaching. Martin didn't get credit for surpassing expectations.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

Martin overacheived his years going by preseason expectations. 15-10 with a great probability to still make it with a team that was not even ranked preseason is no reason to to turn on a coach. People seem to forget we were not rankedand had new pgs. We did about what was expected. Then we improved as the year went along and finished with one of UTs greatest seasons. A few early losses don't minimize the great year it ended up being.

Tyndall got way more suppor t than earned. Even after the horrible year people said they hope he can be retained and was better than Martin. He got the benefit of the doubt and every excuse possible for his garbage coaching. Martin didn't get credit for surpassing expectations.

You know why Tyndall won the fan base over? Because he got out in the community from day 1. He wasn't shy he loved meeting people and was sincere with everyone he talked to, was he perfect? No NCAA sanctions prove that but that's what people didn't like about Martin he was standoffish and came across as arrogant. In order to be successful in basketball at the University of Tennessee you have to be a part of the community, you have to market and sell this program to your fan base. I think Rick Barnes is failing at that currently, he's going to have to get out and recruit this fan base. I don't hold that flaw against Martin because that's not his personality and Mike Hamilton knew this when he hired him. But to be fair to Hamilton Tennessee was in a tough spot with the NCAA and needed a coach like Martin. Tyndall was flashy and in the public eye, Cuonzo was boring and hidden behind closed doors.

 

[volbeast33]

Martin overacheived his years going by preseason expectations. 15-10 with a great probability to still make it with a team that was not even ranked preseason is no reason to to turn on a coach. People seem to forget we were not rankedand had new pgs. We did about what was expected. Then we improved as the year went along and finished with one of UTs greatest seasons. A few early losses don't minimize the great year it ended up being.

Tyndall got way more suppor t than earned. Even after the horrible year people said they hope he can be retained and was better than Martin. He got the benefit of the doubt and every excuse possible for his garbage coaching. Martin didn't get credit for surpassing expectations.

Go read the first year Zo was here....it was filled with Im so glad he is our coach talk.....year two was when it started going down hill with year three getting worse than the year before.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Martin overacheived his years going by preseason expectations. 15-10 with a great probability to still make it with a team that was not even ranked preseason is no reason to to turn on a coach. People seem to forget we were not rankedand had new pgs. We did about what was expected. Then we improved as the year went along and finished with one of UTs greatest seasons. A few early losses don't minimize the great year it ended up being.

Tyndall got way more suppor t than earned. Even after the horrible year people said they hope he can be retained and was better than Martin. He got the benefit of the doubt and every excuse possible for his garbage coaching. Martin didn't get credit for surpassing expectations.

TN was swept by an average TX A&M team late in the season in 2014.

TN was a consensus pre-season top 30 team in 2913-14 and was expected to easily make the NCAAT.

Cuonzo only overachieved in his first year when TN was picked to finish at the bottom of the SEC.

Tyndall was heavily criticized as the losses piled up. People were especially critical of TN defending the three pointer. But Tyndall was a far better floor coach than Martin and appeared to have recruiting chops as well considering what he had pulled together so late in the process at TN.

Cuonzo used his time outs late in home games after made baskets effectively killing momentum and quieting his own crowd that was going nuts. He had no feel for the flow of the game. He was learning to coach while on the job. He was not ready to be a power 5 conference coach and his recruiting three years in reflected that.

 

[k-town_king]

Go read the first year Zo was here....it was filled with Im so glad he is our coach talk.....year two was when it started going down hill with year three getting worse than the year before.

All I see is whining about no tourneys.

No one ever brings up they were picked last and next to last his first year. Then he almost made the tourney with an inexperienced team. People act like it was a failure when he double what was expected.

No one brings up how the next year We were not ranked and were projected to be a bubble team with Maymon. JM was our best player then. He missed the whole year. We still were a bubble team and the experts thought we were snubbed. We didnt have Our bestplayer the whole year. Still almost made it.

Year three. Stil

 

[k-town_king]

Go read the first year Zo was here....it was filled with Im so glad he is our coach talk.....year two was when it started going down hill with year three getting worse than the year before.

All I see is whining about no tourneys.

No one ever brings up they were picked last and next to last his first year. Then he almost made the tourney with an inexperienced team. People act like it was a failure when he double what was expected.

No one brings up how the next year We were not ranked and were projected to be a bubble team with Maymon. JM was our best player then. He missed the whole year. We still were a bubble team and the experts thought we were snubbed. We didnt have Our best player the whole year.

Year three. JM was never 100% and new pgs. Not ranked preseason. Won 20 games regular season and ended with the second or third best season in UT history.

All this is true. All I see is criticism though.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

2013-14 was not a great year. Winning an NCAAT play in game and then beating two mid-majors was not an amazing result. Especially with three players from that team eventually cashing NBA pay checks.

Cuonzo had a revised contract with a raise and an extension sitting on his desk and an opportunity to prove that he was a good coach in his 4th year. He ran away from it. He knew that he was going to fail in 2014-15.

 

[BigZiti09]

Year three. JM was never 100% and new pgs. Not ranked preseason. Won 20 games regular season and ended with the second or third best season in UT history.

All this is true. All I see is criticism though.

McRae was never 100%?? First I've heard of that excuse.

New point guards? Whose fault is that? "We don't need a point guard in my system" - Cuonzo Martin

Not ranked preseason? I can't help but think that the head coach has something to do with that. The talent was there. 3 players drafted off that roster.

It was not the 2nd or 3rd best season in UT history.

 

[k-town_king]

2013-14 was not a great year. Winning an NCAAT play in game and then beating two mid-majors was not an amazing result. Especially with three players from that team eventually cashing NBA pay checks.

Cuonzo had a revised contract with a raise and an extension sitting on his desk and an opportunity to prove that he was a good coach in his 4th year. He ran away from it. He knew that he was going to fail in 2014-15.

So if you are putting restrictions on who we best in the tourney etc, I guess Pearl had one good year. The other years he either finished below preseason ranking or beat lame teams in the tourney.

 

[BigZiti09]

So if you are putting restrictions on who we best in the tourney etc, I guess Pearl had one good year. The other years he either finished below preseason ranking or beat lame teams in the tourney.

I've got to side with you on this one KTK. Winning in the tournament is winning in the tournament.

That's why it is so important to make it every year. You never know when you'll get a good draw. If you keep going, you'll make your runs.

Good teams lose early every year and mediocre teams make runs.

The 13-14 team caught a favorable draw but that's just part of it.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

So if you are putting restrictions on who we best in the tourney etc, I guess Pearl had one good year. The other years he either finished below preseason ranking or beat lame teams in the tourney.

Cuonzo lost 41 games in three years and was going to lose another 15-20 in his 4th year. Stop being a revisionist... he did very little until the petition was started and then he ran away instead of coming back and proving that he was a good coach. He was not ready to win in the SEC. He might have eventually been a good coach at TN, but going into his 4th year the program was heading down, not up.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I've got to side with you on this one KTK. Winning in the tournament is winning in the tournament.

That's why it is so important to make it every year. You never know when you'll get a good draw. If you keep going, you'll make your runs.

Good teams lose early every year and mediocre teams make runs.

The 13-14 team caught a favorable draw but that's just part of it.

That doesn't make it a great season... just meeting expectations. TN has several Sweet 16s. I don't consider those to be "great" results.

 

[k-town_king]

McRae was never 100%?? First I've heard of that excuse.

New point guards? Whose fault is that? "We don't need a point guard in my system" - Cuonzo Martin

Not ranked preseason? I can't help but think that the head coach has something to do with that. The talent was there. 3 players drafted off that roster.

It was not the 2nd or 3rd best season in UT history.

JM was Jeronne Maymon. I though that was clear. He was our best player before the injury. His being 100% was a great part of expectations for the team. He never was and still we made a great run. Many top 25 teams had multiple players that will actually play in the NBA. We had one NBA player, one who never made the league, and one who hadn't turned the light on until the tourney run. JRIch was dveloped into that type of player. Its not like we had 3 or 4 players that will actually play in the NBA on that team. Do you count McRae and Hopson as NBA players on Pearl's last team?

Cuonzo lost 41 games in three years and was going to lose another 15-20 in his 4th year. Stop being a revisionist... he did very little until the petition was started and then he ran away instead of coming back and proving that he was a good coach. He was not ready to win in the SEC. He might have eventually been a good coach at TN, but going into his 4th year the program was heading down, not up.

You are the revisionist.

Did he not surpass expectations his first year by a mile?

Did we not still almost make the tourney the next year without the best player who we were depending on?

Were we ranked the next year? No. Did We make the Sweet and one play away from the Elite Eight?

How would we lose with 15-20 last year? We had JRich. He would have had an actual pg in Thompson. Davis would have been better than Owens and def Carmichael. Cornish would have done just as much or more than Mostella did. We may have also gotten extra transfers we didn't. This year we would probably have Jaylen freakin Brown.

 

[volbeast33]

All I see is whining about no tourneys.

No one ever brings up they were picked last and next to last his first year. Then he almost made the tourney with an inexperienced team. People act like it was a failure when he double what was expected.

No one brings up how the next year We were not ranked and were projected to be a bubble team with Maymon. JM was our best player then. He missed the whole year. We still were a bubble team and the experts thought we were snubbed. We didnt have Our bestplayer the whole year. Still almost made it.

Year three. Stil

I don't care where we were picked my expectations don't change.....do you think people care that Butch Jones could have us 8-4 which is probably right where we should be after the disaster left by Dooley....Fans is short for fanatics....we want wins and not excuses.....Its why we don't do the hiring and firing bc we would have ten coaches or more a year after all the losses....Year one you get a pass.....years two and three opinions of the coach get formed....we struggled both years compared to what fans expected.....if he had come back in year four and won big it would have been back to Zo is the man talk.

 

[volbeast33]

I've got to side with you on this one KTK. Winning in the tournament is winning in the tournament.

That's why it is so important to make it every year. You never know when you'll get a good draw. If you keep going, you'll make your runs.

Good teams lose early every year and mediocre teams make runs.

The 13-14 team caught a favorable draw but that's just part of it.

The sweet sixteen was a good accomplishment by Zo and earned him another season....I thought year four was going to be the worst season yet but it would have been interesting to see what he could have done.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

You are the revisionist.

Did he not surpass expectations his first year by a mile?

19-15 and a quick exit from the NIT, 10-6 and tying two others for 2nd in the SEC, one and done in the SECT, losing to Oakland, Austin Peay, and Charleston was not surpassing expectations "by a mile".

 

[k-town_king]

To those saying it wasnt one of our best years when we made the Sweet 16 here are the facts.

24 wins. Fourth most in school history.


Sweet 16 teams from the 64 team era.

99-00 PS rank 19 lost in Sweet 16 by 5 to lower seed.

06-07 PS rank 25 lost in Sweet 16 by 1 to number 1 seed OSU. Great year.

07-08 PS rank 7 lost in Sweet 16 by 19 to lower seed. Game wasn't even that close. Most wins ever. Disappointing year when you have a top ten team and get blown out in the Sweet 16.

09-10 PS rank 10. People weren't happy with the regular season with a top 10 team and losses to unranked Purdue, USC, and UGA with a 30point loss to UK in the SEC tourney. No one brings that up now because we showed up when it counted. An Elite Eight run with a Hopson free throw away from the Final Four. Elite Eight loss by 1 to higher seed. Best year ever.

2013-2014 PS unranked. Unranked team. Won 20 regular season games. One missed call away from Elite Eight. Sweet 16 loss by 2 to higher seed.

If you actually look at what happened it is one of the best years we have had.

 

[k-town_king]

19-15 and a quick exit from the NIT, 10-6 and tying two others for 2nd in the SEC, one and done in the SECT, losing to Oakland, Austin Peay, and Charleston was not surpassing expectations "by a mile".

When you are picked at the bottom of the conference it is. What did you think of Tyndall's performance? Since his year was way worse than any of Martin's you must think he is the worst ever. I could have sworn you were one of the guys that kept making excuses for him though.

 

[volbeast33]

When you are picked at the bottom of the conference it is. What did you think of Tyndall's performance? Since his year was way worse than any of Martin's you must think he is the worst ever. I could have sworn you were one of the guys that kept making excuses for him though.

It was his first year as the coach....the honeymoon would have ended shortly if he had the same kind of second season.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

When you are picked at the bottom of the conference it is. What did you think of Tyndall's performance? Since his year was way worse than any of Martin's you must think he is the worst ever. I could have sworn you were one of the guys that kept making excuses for him though.

Tyndall started out very well and folded in the back half of the conference schedule. While he was winning and not exposed as an NCAA cheater, what TN fan would not be supportive of his act?

Cuonzo was okay. Had a 4th year to show what he could do. He ran away. His offense cured insomnia. He was below average as a floor coach. His teams were inconsistent and often didn't seem to play hard. It took an us versus them attitude against their own fans to motivate his last team to perform as expected and there was some great talent on that roster. Not exactly stellar leadership IMO. I didn't want him to leave, but based on how he's acted I'm now not disappointed that he's gone.

This thread is about a hack job ESPN article painting Cuonzo as a great coach and Tennessee as a bunch of racists that ran him off. Facts are, he did little before the petition and the petition doesn't mean that 40,000 TN fans ran him off. Half of those signing the OL petition were probably Kentucky fans trolling anyway.

If Cuonzo was as great of a person as he's supposed to be he'd put a stop to this race baiting crap. Tennessee gave him a great opportunity to step up from a $300,000/year lower mid-major job and become a multi-millionaire coach in a power 5 conference. He could show some appreciation. He had a lot of supporters here and he is allowing them to be crapped on. That and his using TN's resources to search for another job has me wondering if his persona is fake and fraudulent.