Cuonzo Feeling Unwanted

[OrangeBalls]

You can always tell it's getting near basketball season because k-town starts blowing the Cuonzo horn as loud as he can. My God, you are shoveling the bullsh*t heavy even for you.

First thing, none of the fans would've given two sh*ts if Martin was green, blue or black if he was winning. He caught criticism because he was an average at best X's and O's coach. And guess what? He still is. He better hope the recruiting pays off because he won't be able to coach them up unless he hired some better asst coaches. He also did the bare minimum to market the program and his style of basketball was a damn snooze fest. You spouting off that people are racists because he mumbled is hilarious. You could barely understand the guy. That's not racist. That's a fact. I'd fall asleep listening to his post game shows.

Not until the tourney in year 3 did this team start playing up to expectations and it took a damn petition to fire the team and coaches up. Forget the fact that the espn writer didn't even do any research and notice that a large number of those names were fictitious and were entered by fans of other teams. Posters at Vandymania bragged about filling out multiple entries when it was going on. But, that wouldn't be a good storyline either. Let's keep with the racist tone because that gets more clicks!

Second, Tyndall never had near the roster that Martin had and made chicken salad out of chicken sh*t last year. Ask anyone that writes about or follows basketball for a living who is the better game day coach and they'll tell you Tyndall every time. Martin is clueless when it comes to in game mgmt. For you to try and compare their records is ludicrous, but I'm not surprised because it doesn't fit your narrative. Cuonzo couldn't take the heat so he bailed. For a person that tried to make his program out to be so tough was quite comical. He wasn't tough when the going got tough. He quit and left. He also knew what his roster was going to be like and even he didn't like it and knew he would probably be fired after his fourth year.

And I'm LMAO at you making his 3rd year out like it was some kind of milestone. Anyone that has watched this team for the last 50 years is laughing at you. He barely got in the tourney and then got a huge favor by Mercer when they knocked off Duke. What titles did Martin win? Please give us the links. That statement alone shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Bernard King and Ernie Grunfeld, along with scores of other UT players that won SEC titles, are shaking their heads. That team is nowhere near the top of UT teams. You must be a teenager to say something so stupid.

If anyone is mad at what state the program is in, be mad at Martin for bailing and steering his recruits away from UT and gutting the roster. Tyndall was here for a year. He had barely put roots down. He steered no one away from us. Martin left Tyndall very little and then all of his recruits bailed because Martin wanted them to commit to the University of Cuonzo instead of the University of TN.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Tyndall started out very well and folded in the back half of the conference schedule. While he was winning and not exposed as an NCAA cheater, what TN fan would not be supportive of his act?

Cuonzo was okay. Had a 4th year to show what he could do. He ran away. His offense cured insomnia. He was below average as a floor coach. His teams were inconsistent and often didn't seem to play hard. It took an us versus them attitude against their own fans to motivate his last team to perform as expected and there was some great talent on that roster. Not exactly stellar leadership IMO. I didn't want him to leave, but based on how he's acted I'm now not disappointed that he's gone.

This thread is about a hack job ESPN article painting Cuonzo as a great coach and Tennessee as a bunch of racists that ran him off. Facts are, he did little before the petition and the petition doesn't mean that 40,000 TN fans ran him off. Half of those signing the OL petition were probably Kentucky fans trolling anyway.

If Cuonzo was as great of a person as he's supposed to be he'd put a stop to this race baiting crap. Tennessee gave him a great opportunity to step up from a $300,000/year lower mid-major job and become a multi-millionaire coach in a power 5 conference. He could show some appreciation. He had a lot of supporters here and he is allowing them to be crapped on. That and his using TN's resources to search for another job has me wondering if his persona is fake and fraudulent.

Bingo. The writer is lazy as hell and couldn't even take the time to read some of the names. A large majority of the names were made up, but that doesn't make a good story.

I wanted Martin to stay too (at the time for the stability of the program), but when he flirted with another school and then bailed to Cal then all bets were off. He showed his true colors. He had all this security set up and not one damn thing happened. Hell, at least Kiffin could complain that some crazies visited his house and he had reason to protect his family.

The fact of the matter is that a number of people had a hard time letting go of Pearl and some still do. Anyone that followed Pearl was going to have a tough job because he was so successful. Couple that with a boring style of basketball along with doing near to nothing to promote the team then you get some fans that are disgruntled. When those people saw that Pearl was coming out of NCAA jail, they got their hopes up without realizing (or refusing to realize) the same people who fired him were still in charge.

What's done is done. If Martin is truly happy that he's in Oakland then maybe he needs to STFU and go on about his life and forget about UT. It's not like we have to dust off any trophies he won or stitch up any banners. We were doing fine before he got here. We'll do fine after he has gone.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

As far as the petition, I wish somebody would post it. I couldn't find it online. I'd like to know if there was anything in it about getting rid of Cuonzo... or is that just the national media's narrative? The petition created when it was looking like Cuonzo was going to miss the NCAAT for the third straight year. If that would have happened Cuonzo would have been in deep doo doo with or without a petition.

 

[k-town_king]

Pearl left Martin very little and he did't let that stop him from over achieving.

I have not heard one media member say Tyndall is a better coach. Post even one link saying that. I'm waiting.

No one can complain about Martin's teams being boring if they didn't say that every single game of Tyndall's tenure. He had enough talent to not average our worst ppg ever.

Martin is way better coach and recruiter than Tyndall. Its a reason martin advanced in his career quicker than Tyndall did.

Neither Martin nor I brought up race. The writer did. He did because it was a factor in him leaving. Its just the truth. If it isn't you don't be offended. Some are just mad about being called out.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Overachieving? LMAO. He was coaching during one of the worst periods of all time in the SEC. Again, you must not be that old. No one that has watched UT basketball for any period of time will say that any of Martin's teams were great. Martin had twice the talent that Tyndall had. He had one player that played minutes in Richardson. Everyone else was a role player at best.

And you must not read the hoops analysts much. Tyndall has always been known to be a good X's and O's coach. Hell, he'd break it down in his post game show in laymen's terms for the fans. Yet, we'd get mumbles from Cuonzo. It's a well known fact that Martin is an average game day coach. Always has been, always will be unless he can change. I'm not holding my breath.

But you keep trying to think that Martin is the better game day coach than Tyndall. You're delusional. Tyndall has hurt himself with doing stupid stuff in recruiting. Wanna bet he'll get another job in due time? Why? Because he can coach.

As far as the race factor goes, you think him and Medcalf didn't talk about that? Really. Are you really that obtuse? And I'm not offended. I'm laughing at a black writer writing about a black coach and pulling the pathetic race card when that had nothing to do with the petition or why people wanted him gone.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Pearl left Martin Tatum, McRae, Hall, Woolridge, Golden, Maymon, McBee and delivered Stokes on a silver platter. He also left Tobias Harris, but Cuonzo wasn't able to sell him on sticking around.

Cuonzo on the other hand left very little in his wake.

 

[ptcarter]

So much in our society today is put under the racial microscope. Jimmy Cheek strives to have a diverse campus. I hope he succeeds. I really do.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Pearl left Martin Tatum, McRae, Hall, Woolridge, Golden, Maymon, McBee and delivered Stokes on a silver platter. He also left Tobias Harris, but Cuonzo wasn't able to sell him on sticking around.

Cuonzo on the other hand left very little in his wake.

He left him J-Rich and steered his recruits away from UT. Cuonzo gutted the roster. The only way Tyndall could do more damage is if he committed violations while he was at UT.

 

[k-town_king]

Overachieving? LMAO. He was coaching during one of the worst periods of all time in the SEC. Again, you must not be that old. No one that has watched UT basketball for any period of time will say that any of Martin's teams were great. Martin had twice the talent that Tyndall had. He had one player that played minutes in Richardson. Everyone else was a role player at best.

And you must not read the hoops analysts much. Tyndall has always been known to be a good X's and O's coach. Hell, he'd break it down in his post game show in laymen's terms for the fans. Yet, we'd get mumbles from Cuonzo. It's a well known fact that Martin is an average game day coach. Always has been, always will be unless he can change. I'm not holding my breath.

But you keep trying to think that Martin is the better game day coach than Tyndall. You're delusional. Tyndall has hurt himself with doing stupid stuff in recruiting. Wanna bet he'll get another job in due time? Why? Because he can coach.

As far as the race factor goes, you think him and Medcalf didn't talk about that? Really. Are you really that obtuse? And I'm not offended. I'm laughing at a black writer writing about a black coach and pulling the pathetic race card when that had nothing to do with the petition or why people wanted him gone.

Like usual you make things up. You said all the experts said Tyndall is a better coach. Show me just one tweet, article, blurb or anything. I'm still waiting.

Tyndall will get a job coaching NAIA maybe. He is not a major college coach. He was in over his head. No reason we should have had the worst offense ever and not even make the NIT.

Im confused at the one player who played minutes comment.

Are you saying Tyndall only inherited one player who played in Richardson? Ok. The only person Martin inherited who had played was Cam Tatum. I know which one I would take. So they both inherited one player except Tyndall's was a NBA player and Martin's was a career role player.

You aren't doing anything but proving me right. By any metric you want to use Martin was better. Show me one stat Tyndall was better. They both were picked bottom of the conference. Martin's team improved through the year while Tyndall collapsed. That is on the coaching.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

He left him J-Rich and steered his recruits away from UT. Cuonzo gutted the roster. The only way Tyndall could do more damage is if he committed violations while he was at UT.

Thompson leaving was especially debilitating for 2014-15. If he could have handled the defensive expectations, 2015 could have been another NCAAT season. Richardson could have stayed at a wing. Thompson had a terrific opportunity to fill a much needed spot. But isn't Cuonzo a close friend of Thompson's father? I wonder what "guidance" was given to the young man?

 

[k-town_king]

Pearl left Martin Tatum, McRae, Hall, Woolridge, Golden, Maymon, McBee and delivered Stokes on a silver platter. He also left Tobias Harris, but Cuonzo wasn't able to sell him on sticking around.

Cuonzo on the other hand left very little in his wake.

Are you serious? Tobias was gone, he was a first round pick. Stokes was only a second round pick. Do you hold it against Tyndall he went pro? I guess its Tyndall's fault he didn't have Thompson, Davis, Austin, Cornish and the other recruits.

Tatum was the only returning player for Martin who averaged more than 3 points the year before. He developed those players. They were picked at the bottom of the SEC for a reason his first year. Stop acting like they were producing. Pearl inherited Lofton who was All SEC Fr and already one of the best players in the league. Tyndall got J Rich.Senior PreSeason All SEC and NBA pick after the season. Martin's best vet was Tatum.

Stokes was not coming here when Pearl left. He has said it multiple times. Martin was persistent and built a good relationship. That was all him. Nothing to do with Pearl.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Like usual you make things up. You said all the experts said Tyndall is a better coach. Show me just one tweet, article, blurb or anything. I'm still waiting.

Tyndall will get a job coaching NAIA maybe. He is not a major college coach. He was in over his head. No reason we should have had the worst offense ever and not even make the NIT.

Im confused at the one player who played minutes comment.

Are you saying Tyndall only inherited one player who played in Richardson? Ok. The only person Martin inherited who had played was Cam Tatum. I know which one I would take. So they both inherited one player except Tyndall's was a NBA player and Martin's was a career role player.

You aren't doing anything but proving me right. By any metric you want to use Martin was better. Show me one stat Tyndall was better. They both were picked bottom of the conference. Martin's team improved through the year while Tyndall collapsed. That is on the coaching.

No, I don't make anything up. It comes straight from the people who are paid to analyze basketball. Hoops Weiss, Gary Parrish and countless others have always said he's a good X's and O's coach. Cuonzo? Hardly. Who have you heard say that about him? No one because he's average at best. The only thing you hear constant about Cuonzo is that he's a good person. That's great. That doesn't win you basketball games. The fact is he had a good chance that he would've been fired after year 4 because his roster was not good and his coaching wasn't good enough to get that team to the NCAA's. He knew it and left. Race bait all you want, but the bottom line is he knew he would never duplicate what he did in year 3.

Let's see, what roster would you rather have: Tatum, McRae, Hall, Woolridge, Golden, Maymon, McBee and Stokes? Or J-Rich, Moore, Reese, Punter, McGhee, Mostella and Hubbs? You are certifiably insane if you think Tyndall had more talent. Not only that, but the biggest damn Cuonzo homer there has ever been.

You keep thinking you're right. Anyone with half a brain knows you are a Cuonzo lover that has no clue. You are trying to pick out one year that Tyndall was at UT with a gutted roster vs. a better roster that Cuonzo inherited in a sh*t SEC league. That's laughable, but not surprising because you are clueless.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Thompson leaving was especially debilitating for 2014-15. If he could have handled the defensive expectations, 2015 could have been another NCAAT season. Richardson could have stayed at a wing. Thompson had a terrific opportunity to fill a much needed spot. But isn't Cuonzo a close friend of Thompson's father? I wonder what "guidance" was given to the young man?

Cuonzo wanted his players to commit to him and not the university. It wasn't surprising that not one recruit decided to sign with UT. Yet, he's such a fantastic person.

 

[volbeast33]

Are you serious? Tobias was gone, he was a first round pick. Stokes was only a second round pick. Do you hold it against Tyndall he went pro? I guess its Tyndall's fault he didn't have Thompson, Davis, Austin, Cornish and the other recruits.

Tatum was the only returning player for Martin who averaged more than 3 points the year before. He developed those players. They were picked at the bottom of the SEC for a reason his first year. Stop acting like they were producing. Pearl inherited Lofton who was All SEC Fr and already one of the best players in the league. Tyndall got J Rich.Senior PreSeason All SEC and NBA pick after the season. Martin's best vet was Tatum.

Stokes was not coming here when Pearl left. He has said it multiple times. Martin was persistent and built a good relationship. That was all him. Nothing to do with Pearl.

Why does any of this matter? We are happy he is gone.....he is happy he is gone.....if he fails to make the tourney this yr with the great recruiting class he brought in at cal it will get negative fast there as well.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Are you serious? Tobias was gone, he was a first round pick. Stokes was only a second round pick. Do you hold it against Tyndall he went pro? I guess its Tyndall's fault he didn't have Thompson, Davis, Austin, Cornish and the other recruits.

Tatum was the only returning player for Martin who averaged more than 3 points the year before. He developed those players. They were picked at the bottom of the SEC for a reason his first year. Stop acting like they were producing. Pearl inherited Lofton who was All SEC Fr and already one of the best players in the league. Tyndall got J Rich.Senior PreSeason All SEC and NBA pick after the season. Martin's best vet was Tatum.

Stokes was not coming here when Pearl left. He has said it multiple times. Martin was persistent and built a good relationship. That was all him. Nothing to do with Pearl.

Complete horshesh*t. Pearl had already made inroads. My God, you are obtuse. Yes, Cuonzo did all the legwork to get Stokes here. Forget the fact that Pearl had already built that relationship. Also, forget the fact that Memphis didn't have a roster spot open for him and he found it easy to go to UT where he could enroll and play right away.

And since you like to trot out that Cuonzo's first team was picked to finish next to last, Tyndall's squad was picked next to last in the SEC too and in a better league overall. Richardson willed that team to 16 wins. Tyndall had one month to recruit 1/3 of the roster. Both overachieved for their first year, but you trying to make out Cuonzo like he's the second coming of Wooden is hilarious.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Why does any of this matter? We are happy he is gone.....he is happy he is gone.....if he fails to make the tourney this yr with the great recruiting class he brought in at cal it will get negative fast there as well.

Or they might not care enough to even notice. We're talking Cal here. Think Vandy, but a public institution instead of private. I'm betting that's another reason he left. Not nearly the scrutiny on the left coast where they could really care less unless you're UCLA.

 

[vol66]

Seems to me there is revision-ing going on, both sides, and an overall too simplistic view for the most part. I think the piece being discussed didn't go into much depth regarding the contract extension and buyout Hart offered Martin. That really is the root issue, stability.

I don't think any agent of a coach in a power 5 conference would allow their client to sign off on what Hart was offering, especially considering the run the team made at season's end. I'd like to know more about it but I guess we never will.

I think the real takeaway from this, the lesson to be learned, is that a few people and some poor decisions by the administration can create a perception outside of Vol Nation that is probably not an accurate depiction of the majority of Tennessee fans.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter where the individual stands, whether you want a coach to stay or go, WE all have to live with the consequences.

 

[k-town_king]

No, I don't make anything up. It comes straight from the people who are paid to analyze basketball. Hoops Weiss, Gary Parrish and countless others have always said he's a good X's and O's coach. Cuonzo? Hardly. Who have you heard say that about him? No one because he's average at best. The only thing you hear constant about Cuonzo is that he's a good person. That's great. That doesn't win you basketball games. The fact is he had a good chance that he would've been fired after year 4 because his roster was not good and his coaching wasn't good enough to get that team to the NCAA's. He knew it and left. Race bait all you want, but the bottom line is he knew he would never duplicate what he did in year 3.

Let's see, what roster would you rather have: Tatum, McRae, Hall, Woolridge, Golden, Maymon, McBee and Stokes? Or J-Rich, Moore, Reese, Punter, McGhee, Mostella and Hubbs? You are certifiably insane if you think Tyndall had more talent. Not only that, but the biggest damn Cuonzo homer there has ever been.

You keep thinking you're right. Anyone with half a brain knows you are a Cuonzo lover that has no clue. You are trying to pick out one year that Tyndall was at UT with a gutted roster vs. a better roster that Cuonzo inherited in a sh*t SEC league. That's laughable, but not surprising because you are clueless.

Your'e the one trying to distract talking about race. I have been posting stats and records. Tyndall was worse in every single way. On top of that he was an idiot too dumb to get away with cheating.

You didn't say that you have heard people praise Tyndall's coaching and not Martin's. You said a bunch of people said Tyndall was better. Not one person said that. That was a lie. Multiple people have praised Martin's coaching ability though.

Tyndall's players had potential too. Martin developed and coached his inexperienced players better. Its his fault he lost Thompson and Davis. Hubbs was a 5 star. J Rich was a All SEC preseason. Mostella was a four star. He had Woodson a four star. He had enough guys to do better than he did.

What will you say when the players look ten times better with Barnes this year? No J Rich this year and I guarantee we score WAY more than 63.3 ppg. Without j Rich.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Seems to me there is revision-ing going on, both sides, and an overall too simplistic view for the most part. I think the piece being discussed didn't go into much depth regarding the contract extension and buyout Hart offered Martin. That really is the root issue, stability.

I don't think any agent of a coach in a power 5 conference would allow their client to sign off on what Hart was offering, especially considering the run the team made at season's end. I'd like to know more about it but I guess we never will.

I think the real takeaway from this, the lesson to be learned, is that a few people and some poor decisions by the administration can create a perception outside of Vol Nation that is probably not an accurate depiction of the majority of Tennessee fans.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter where the individual stands, whether you want a coach to stay or go, WE all have to live with the consequences.

Good point and that was stated in the article. Martin didn't feel like he had the backing of the admin. In other words, he felt like Hart didn't have his back. I still have serious doubts that he would've stayed if Hart had given him more support. As Cuonzo said himself, it was time to go.

Hart wasn't about to sign him off to a long term horrible deal like Hamilton tied us to on countless coaches. We are still feeling the effects of Hamilton's horrible contracts he agreed to over the years. And guess who chimed in on twitter after that article was posted? None other than clueless Mike. One of the worst AD's in the entire history of NCAA sports.

Michael Hamilton ‏@mikehamilton63 23h23 hours ago
Good man. Proud to have hired @CuonzoMartin....Martin finds warmth at Cal after feeling unwanted at Tennessee Cal Golden Bears coach Cuonzo Martin has put Tennessee behind him and found a comfortable home

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Are you serious? Tobias was gone, he was a first round pick. Stokes was only a second round pick. Do you hold it against Tyndall he went pro? I guess its Tyndall's fault he didn't have Thompson, Davis, Austin, Cornish and the other recruits.

Tatum was the only returning player for Martin who averaged more than 3 points the year before. He developed those players. They were picked at the bottom of the SEC for a reason his first year. Stop acting like they were producing. Pearl inherited Lofton who was All SEC Fr and already one of the best players in the league. Tyndall got J Rich.Senior PreSeason All SEC and NBA pick after the season. Martin's best vet was Tatum.

Stokes was not coming here when Pearl left. He has said it multiple times. Martin was persistent and built a good relationship. That was all him. Nothing to do with Pearl.

Why do you keep bringing up Pearl and Tyndall comparisons to Martin?

You said that Pearl left nothing for Cuonzo. That is pure rubbish.

You keep pumping and pimping Martin like he was a great coach (he wasn't).

Martin puts on a fake front that he's a wonderful person, but this stuff keeps coming out that he's really ungrateful and acting sleazy and polarizing. He has lots of supporters in Knoxville but his selfish ass won't do anything to stop perpetuating this myth that TN fans are nothing but racist rednecks. He should tear up his race card... but he won't because they're eating that **** up in San Francisco/Oakland. Maybe he's just stupid (like some of his loudest supporters).

 

[OrangeBalls]

Your'e the one trying to distract talking about race. I have been posting stats and records. Tyndall was worse in every single way. On top of that he was an idiot too dumb to get away with cheating.

You didn't say that you have heard people praise Tyndall's coaching and not Martin's. You said a bunch of people said Tyndall was better. Not one person said that. That was a lie. Multiple people have praised Martin's coaching ability though.

Tyndall's players had potential too. Martin developed and coached his inexperienced players better. Its his fault he lost Thompson and Davis. Hubbs was a 5 star. J Rich was a All SEC preseason. Mostella was a four star. He had Woodson a four star. He had enough guys to do better than he did.

What will you say when the players look ten times better with Barnes this year? No J Rich this year and I guarantee we score WAY more than 63.3 ppg. Without j Rich.

The next time you have time to actually interact with a journalist who covers NCAA basketball, ask them who they think is the better X's and O's coach. I've asked a number of them personally and they have all told me the same thing. Tyndall is a better X's and O's coach. At the next SEC tourney, go to it and ask every writer you can find and do the math, kid.

You are trying to gauge Martin's 3 years to Tyndall's 1 year. You are a piece of work. It's kind of hard to compare 3 years to 1 year. You think J-Rich and Moore didn't get better? You think Hubbs didn't get better? See, I can spout off the same stupid analogies that you do. And Woodson didn't stay around long enough for it to matter. That's ridiculous.

And if you think Barnes is going to be the end-all to this roster's woes, then you are in for some disappointment. You do realize that Barnes' biggest knock on him has been his X's and O's over his career right? You do know that he is known as a recruiter more than an in-game coach right? You do know that he got fired at Texas because he underachieved based on the talent on his roster right? Or are you clueless to that too?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Seems to me there is revision-ing going on, both sides, and an overall too simplistic view for the most part. I think the piece being discussed didn't go into much depth regarding the contract extension and buyout Hart offered Martin. That really is the root issue, stability.

I don't think any agent of a coach in a power 5 conference would allow their client to sign off on what Hart was offering, especially considering the run the team made at season's end. I'd like to know more about it but I guess we never will.

I think the real takeaway from this, the lesson to be learned, is that a few people and some poor decisions by the administration can create a perception outside of Vol Nation that is probably not an accurate depiction of the majority of Tennessee fans.

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter where the individual stands, whether you want a coach to stay or go, WE all have to live with the consequences.

That article was nothing but a self serving, race baiting, hack job from a guy with an agenda. I'm disappointed that Cuonzo used the opportunity to fan the flames. He could easily get on his podium and patch things up. It's not like there's a good reason for him to acknowledge that most TN fans are nothing like what's been depicted in that article. I used to really like Cuonzo... he seems more and more like a turd at every turn.

 

[k-town_king]

Why do you keep bringing up Pearl and Tyndall comparisons to Martin?

You said that Pearl left nothing for Cuonzo. That is pure rubbish.

You keep pumping and pimping Martin like he was a great coach (he wasn't).

Martin puts on a fake front that he's a wonderful person, but this stuff keeps coming out that he's really ungrateful and acting sleazy and polarizing. He has lots of supporters in Knoxville but his selfish ass won't do anything to stop perpetuating this myth that TN fans are nothing but racist rednecks. He should tear up his race card... but he won't because they're eating that **** up in San Francisco/Oakland. Maybe he's just stupid (like some of his loudest supporters).

Ok I'll finish this.

Who else do you compare coaches to but other coaches? When you disparage a coaches stats or records it makes sense to compare it to other coaches to confirm the argument. Don't be mad the stats don't fit your narrative.

I never said Pearl left Martin nothing. He didn't leave any contributors unless you count Tatum. You are acting like he inherited a bunch of established players. I am make the very valid point that both rosters Tyndall and Martin inherited were very similar, hence the similar expectations pre season. Tyndall did inherit a way better vet and a 5 star player also. In the same situation Martin did better. Wins, scoring whatever you want to compare.

I don't think Martin is a great coach. I never said he is. I think he is a good coach and improving. I think Tyndall is an below average to average coach. He is the definition of mediocrity. I believe Martin is way better. I think Pearl is better than both. The numbers don't lie.

 

[k-town_king]

The next time you have time to actually interact with a journalist who covers NCAA basketball, ask them who they think is the better X's and O's coach. I've asked a number of them personally and they have all told me the same thing. Tyndall is a better X's and O's coach. At the next SEC tourney, go to it and ask every writer you can find and do the math, kid.

You are trying to gauge Martin's 3 years to Tyndall's 1 year. You are a piece of work. It's kind of hard to compare 3 years to 1 year. You think J-Rich and Moore didn't get better? You think Hubbs didn't get better? See, I can spout off the same stupid analogies that you do. And Woodson didn't stay around long enough for it to matter. That's ridiculous.

And if you think Barnes is going to be the end-all to this roster's woes, then you are in for some disappointment. You do realize that Barnes' biggest knock on him has been his X's and O's over his career right? You do know that he is known as a recruiter more than an in-game coach right? You do know that he got fired at Texas because he underachieved based on the talent on his roster right? Or are you clueless to that too?

Oh so they told you personally because you and all the cbb experts are best buds? Sure. :ermm:

If they got better did Tyndall have some decent players or not? Make up your mind. I never said no one got better last year. I bet we don't average 63 points with mostly the same players minus our NBA prospect and All SEC performer. I guarantee we score about 10 points more due to competent coaching.

We can compare the one year with the exact same situation roster and expectation wise. Martin was better with a tougher SOS.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Ok I'll finish this.

Who else do you compare coaches to but other coaches? When you disparage a coaches stats or records it makes sense to compare it to other coaches to confirm the argument. Don't be mad the stats don't fit your narrative.

I never said Pearl left Martin nothing. He didn't leave any contributors unless you count Tatum. You are acting like he inherited a bunch of established players. I am make the very valid point that both rosters Tyndall and Martin inherited were very similar, hence the similar expectations pre season. Tyndall did inherit a way better vet and a 5 star player also. In the same situation Martin did better. Wins, scoring whatever you want to compare.

I don't think Martin is a great coach. I never said he is. I think he is a good coach and improving. I think Tyndall is an below average to average coach. He is the definition of mediocrity. I believe Martin is way better. I think Pearl is better than both. The numbers don't lie.

And yet, any coach with a brain would pick the roster that Martin inherited over the roster that Tyndall inherited. Was Stokes not a 5 star? Maymon and McRae were both highly rated too. They both inherited inexperienced players, but anyone that watches basketball would pick the roster Martin inherited over what Tyndall inherited. Not even close. Tyndall had to patch together a class just to have enough bodies.

And since you are so into stats, Tyndall's career record is 216-122 or 63.9%. Cuonzo's career record is 142-97 or 59.4%.

They've both had to coach at similar programs working their way up. Tyndall took over a moribund Morehead St program and took it two NCAA's. Martin didn't make a NCAA tourney until his 6th year and that was at a big time program. Tyndall has won everywhere he has been. You acting like he's a below average coach when he's won everywhere he has been and has a better record than Cuonzo is laughable.