Cuonzo releases Landry

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Urinal Mint said:
If I played at HP, I wouldn't want to play for a coach that thinks our 2pts 2 assists a game back up point guard is an SEC player.
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You do know he committed when he was playing in Alabama averaging fairly decent numbers. He never progressed.
 
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BruinVol said:
That's what happens when posters post one thing and completely refuse to admit what they posted while arguing completely the opposite.
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Ok, but let's not pretend you weren't a large contributor to this mess too.

It's all perspective. You are both right and both wrong at the same time. Does this help our cause recruiting at Huntington Prep going forward? Of course not. How could it? Having said that, does it really hurt us there? Not really, because it's very rare that we are recruiting a kid from there in the first place. This was BTO's point, in spite of his seemingly contradictory statements.

Does this affect our ability to recruit kids down the line? Maybe, but it sure didn't influence Jordan Cornish, and he fits the exact criteria in which you insisted it would be problematic for Martin going forward. Down the line, we may lose a fringe recruit as a result of this fallout, but I think the further removed by time, the less likely that it is to play a role.

Let's just all agree that winning will cure all this, and that we can point to numerous occasions where these type scenarios are long forgotten when followed by success for the program. This is a better situation for all involved.
 
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cncchris33 said:
It's all perspective. You are both right and both wrong at the same time. Does this help our cause recruiting at Huntington Prep going

Does this affect our ability to recruit kids down the line? Maybe, but it sure didn't influence Jordan Cornish, and he fits the exact criteria in which you insisted it would be problematic for Martin going forward. Down the line, we may lose a fringe recruit as a result of this fallout, but I think the further removed by time, the less likely that it is to play a role.

Let's just all agree that winning will cure all this, and that we can point to numerous occasions where these type scenarios are long forgotten when followed by success for the program. This is a better situation for all involved.
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Very good reasonable points here. My only disagreement would be if this cost us one of those fringy recruits then that is too many. Burning bridges in recruiting is a dangerous slope and that one player lost might end up being a huge factor. Of course it might be the opposite and hurt very little as well. Martins handling of scholarships might never cost us our next chris loften but IMO it might and that's my stance here.
 
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BruinVol said:
Very good reasonable points here. My only disagreement would be if this cost us one of those fringy recruits then that is too many. Burning bridges in recruiting is a dangerous slope and that one player lost might end up being a huge factor. Of course it might be the opposite and hurt very little as well. Martins handling of scholarships might never cost us our next chris loften but IMO it might and that's my stance here.
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No argument from me except to say that the antithesis to this line of thinking comes from the CCM's perspective. He likely says (justifiably selfish) that not taking a fringe (at best) recruit such as Landry, has enabled him to improve his roster, his chance of success, and his livelihood. He obviously feels any potential damage to his character can be mitigated by himself personally in the living room with potentially concerned parents.
 
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cncchris33 said:
No argument from me except to say that the antithesis to this line of thinking comes from the CCM's perspective. He likely says (justifiably selfish) that not taking a fringe (at best) recruit such as Landry, has enabled him to improve his roster, his chance of success, and his livelihood. He obviously feels any potential damage to his character can be mitigated by himself personally in the living room with potentially concerned parents.
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It's also very possible that taking Thompson very much outweighs any negative received by this down the road. I am not claiming this is a certain loss for martin in recruiting. At least in the short term it's a victory and that may very well be all that matters.
 
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BruinVol said:
It's also very possible that taking Thompson very much outweighs any negative received by this down the road. I am not claiming this is a certain loss for martin in recruiting. At least in the short term it's a victory and that may very well be all that matters.
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I agree, and I'd venture to say that's how CCM sees it as well.
 
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BruinVol said:
That's what the pressure of winning now does. I haven't said what he has done is a bad move. My biggest issue is his misevaluation again
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Something was amiss in this case. Almost like Landry regressed. He had offers from Alabama and Vandy too when he committed to Tennessee. So, I'm not sure this one is chalked up to misevaluation. He put up good numbers playing in Alabama as a junior, and was evaluated and recruited by several big name schools. If Martin misevaluated him, so did Anthony Grant and Kevin Stallings.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Something was amiss in this case. Almost like Landry regressed. He had offers from Alabama and Vandy too when he committed to Tennessee. So, I'm not sure this one is chalked up to misevaluation. He put up good numbers playing in Alabama as a junior, and was evaluated and recruited by several big name schools. If Martin misevaluated him, so did Anthony Grant and Kevin Stallings.
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Tricked by his poor competition?
 
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BruinVol said:
Tricked by his poor competition?
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Generally speaking, Grant, and especially Stallings have been good judges of talent. Landry just seemed to plateau after his junior season.

That said, CCM is to blame for signing him in the fall. If there was any doubt about his ability then, we shouldn't have honored his commitment at that point and let it be known that we wanted to track his progress through his senior year.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Ok, but let's not pretend you weren't a large contributor to this mess too.

It's all perspective. You are both right and both wrong at the same time. Does this help our cause recruiting at Huntington Prep going forward? Of course not. How could it? Having said that, does it really hurt us there? Not really, because it's very rare that we are recruiting a kid from there in the first place. This was BTO's point, in spite of his seemingly contradictory statements.

Does this affect our ability to recruit kids down the line? Maybe, but it sure didn't influence Jordan Cornish, and he fits the exact criteria in which you insisted it would be problematic for Martin going forward. Down the line, we may lose a fringe recruit as a result of this fallout, but I think the further removed by time, the less likely that it is to play a role.

Let's just all agree that winning will cure all this, and that we can point to numerous occasions where these type scenarios are long forgotten when followed by success for the program. This is a better situation for all involved.
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Good post man. :good!:
 
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volbeast33 said:
Travon Landrys dad was called April 23 and told that We needed to go in a different direction.....If you dont think that is wrong, I dont know what to tell you.
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I've never once said this was a good thing, or an ideal situation....out of curiosity what date did Pearl call Dotson, June 6th wasn't it, wow.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I've never once said this was a good thing, or an ideal situation....out of curiosity what date did Pearl call Dotson, June 6th wasn't it, wow.
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Yeah but u said we didnt know the whole story and now we do....I know it happens but was obvious the kid didnt need to be here regardless of whether or not we brought in thompson and we just strung the kid along.....What does Pearl have to do with any of this? I kind of understand the Pearl situation bc of the coaching change but if it happened the way you said it did then it was awful treating a kid that way as well.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Yeah but u said we didnt know the whole story and now we do....I know it happens but was obvious the kid didnt need to be here regardless of whether or not we brought in thompson and we just strung the kid along.....What does Pearl have to do with any of this? I kind of understand the Pearl situation bc of the coaching change but if it happened the way you said it did then it was awful treating a kid that way as well.
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Yes, neither situation was ideal, and neither should become a habit.
 
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Can someone explain to me what exactly happened with golden? It won't let me enter the thread about his departure
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Can someone explain to me what exactly happened with golden? It won't let me enter the thread about his departure
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The main rumor from multiple legit sources (Steven Pearl, Rob Lewis, and Wes Rucker) is that it was a university decision, not a CCM decision, and that it was academic cheating. Again, rumor.
 
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Travon's dad did not seem to be mad said they were happy with the release and the signing at New Mexico State.
 
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