D4H's 2017 NBA Draft Preview

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n_huffhines said:
BS. I just checked the first 5 mock drafts in google and they all had him top 15, and 3 had him at 12 or better. How is it that you are such an expert and didn't know about him?
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I don't look past the top 5-10 unless I had some knowledge of them from high school recruiting like Terrance Ferguson.

I'm not one to lie. If I miss on a guy I will admit it. I never heard of Donovan Mitchell until the draft when I heard the Spurs were interested in moving up for him. That's when it first hit me that he might be a good player because the Spurs typically find guys that others overlook (i.e. Kawhi Leonard).

Also I don't watch college basketball so I never even saw Donovan Mitchell play before the NBA summer league.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I don't look past the top 5-10 unless I had some knowledge of them from high school recruiting like Terrance Ferguson.

I'm not one to lie. If I miss on a guy I will admit it. I never heard of Donovan Mitchell until the draft when I heard the Spurs were interested in moving up for him. That's when it first hit me that he might be a good player because the Spurs typically find guys that others overlook (i.e. Kawhi Leonard).

Also I don't watch college basketball so I never even saw Donovan Mitchell play before the NBA summer league.
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You scouted some guys in the 2nd round but missed Mitchell. I would say that’s a little more than 5-10
 
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I’m not sure what’s funnier to me, someone trying to take credit that they were the only one who thought a top 3 pick in the draft could be a superstar or calling someone a bust after 14 games.

Tough call for me here but I’m leaning towards the Tatum hot take.
 
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volnbama_ said:
You scouted some guys in the 2nd round but missed Mitchell. I would say that’s a little more than 5-10
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I knew them from when they were high school recruits. Ivan Rabb was highly touted in the 2015 class. PJ Dozier was also a McDonald's All-American in 2015. So that's how I knew about them. When I saw their names low on the mock drafts, I flagged them as potential steals.

I don't waste my time actually scouting every player projected be drafted in the NBA draft. Its a waste because the top players are almost always in the top 5-10 picks.

If I actually scouted Donovan Mitchell and didn't think he would be good, I would have let y'all know beforehand.
 
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D4H claims to scout hundreds of NFL prospects. He also claims that he knows more about NBA scouting than NFL, but he doesn't grade players beyond the first 5-10, despite the fact that superstars regularly come after the lottery...
 
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volfanngatorland said:
I’m not sure what’s funnier to me, someone trying to take credit that they were the only one who thought a top 3 pick in the draft could be a superstar or calling someone a bust after 14 games.

Tough call for me here but I’m leaning towards the Tatum hot take.
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In the NBA, there are very few superstars. Even most top 3 pick never amount to much in the NBA. Just go back and look at past NBA drafts.

Getting it right on Tatum being the best in the last draft was a huge deal. Just look at Philly right now. How good would they be if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz?

Embiid, Simmons, and Tatum would be a DYNASTY.

So yes me saying Tatum was the best player and a future superstar ahead of Fultz was a huge deal. It could mean the difference between no championship and many championships for Philly.
 
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n_huffhines said:
D4H claims to scout hundreds of NFL prospects. He also claims that he knows more about NBA scouting than NFL, but he doesn't grade players beyond the first 5-10, despite the fact that superstars regularly come after the lottery...
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The NFL is harder to project than the NBA. That is why I devote more attention to it. Plus there is higher year to year turnover in the NFL. In the NBA, once you draft a Michael Jordan, a Kobe Bryant, or a LeBron James, you're basically set for 15 years. Nothing is really gonna move the radar with those guys in the league. In the NFL, teams go from worst to first every year and there is more quick turnover with players.

Also in the NFL, you can find great players in the draft every year after the top 10 picks. In the NBA, almost all the superstars are top 10 picks. Very rarely do you find guys in the lower parts of the lottery developing into SUPERSTARS that can make a difference.

That is why I don't put a lot of capital into trying to find overlooked players in the NBA draft. What happened with Donovan Mitchell and Kyle Kuzma this past season was an outlier.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
In the NBA, there are very few superstars. Even most top 3 pick never amount to much in the NBA. Just go back and look at past NBA drafts.

Getting it right on Tatum being the best in the last draft was a huge deal. Just look at Philly right now. How good would they be if they drafted Tatum instead of Fultz?

Embiid, Simmons, and Tatum would be a DYNASTY.

So yes me saying Tatum was the best player and a future superstar ahead of Fultz was a huge deal. It could mean the difference between no championship and many championships for Philly.
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You’re arguing with the wrong person, champ. I said last year Tatum was maybe the best player in the draft and that he would fit perfectly with Simmons and Embiid.

You don’t see my trying to act like it’s a big deal that a top 3 pick who nearly everyone believed had “superstar” traits had a really good rookie season. It’s not really unexpected at all.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
You’re arguing with the wrong person, champ. I said last year Tatum was maybe the best player in the draft and that he would fit perfectly with Simmons and Embiid.

You don’t see my trying to act like it’s a big deal that a top 3 pick who nearly everyone believed had “superstar” traits had a really good rookie season. It’s not really unexpected at all.
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That is false. He wasn't even projected to go top 3 until the Celtics traded out of the #1 spot and made it clear he was their preference. Before the trade, Josh Jackson was projected to go higher with many people still saying after the draft he was the better prospect.

Saying Jayson Tatum was the #1 player in the 2017 draft was not as common as you make it out to be. If you agreed with me then kudos but we were a very small minority.

And Tatum did more than have a good rookie season. He's now elevated his game and looks like the best player on a team that could make it to the NBA Finals. That's more than a good rookie season. That is incredible. Like I said earlier, even I underestimated him. I compared him to Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. Tatum is way better than those guys were at 19 years old.

Remember I don't look at numbers. I look at skills. And Jayson Tatum is showing rare skills in the playoffs. He's looking more like a young Kobe than anyone else.
 
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Horford is the best player on that team right now, no disrespect meant to Tatum. Horford is everything to them in this series. He pulls Embiid away from the basket and he's probably the best person on the planet for guarding Ben Simmons. Both Horford and Tatum are averaging 18 ppg, but Horford has been way more efficient.
 
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n_huffhines said:
D4H claims to scout hundreds of NFL prospects. He also claims that he knows more about NBA scouting than NFL, but he doesn't grade players beyond the first 5-10, despite the fact that superstars regularly come after the lottery...
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Yet then claims he didn't whiff on several because he didn't watch them.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Horford is the best player on that team right now, no disrespect meant to Tatum. Horford is everything to them in this series. He pulls Embiid away from the basket and he's probably the best person on the planet for guarding Ben Simmons. Both Horford and Tatum are averaging 18 ppg, but Horford has been way more efficient.
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The best player on the team is Jayson Tatum because he's the only guy on the team that can create his own shot. And in playoff time that is the most important skill.

Brad Stevens has to draw up plays to get the other guys shots. Tatum is the only guy they just give the ball to and clear out of the way. That is something only SUPERSTARS can do.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
The best player on the team is Jayson Tatum because he's the only guy on the team that can create his own shot. And in playoff time that is the most important skill.

Brad Stevens has to draw up plays to get the other guys shots. Tatum is the only guy they just give the ball to and clear out of the way. That is something only SUPERSTARS can do.
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You have a very narrow view of player value.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Horford is the best player on that team right now, no disrespect meant to Tatum. Horford is everything to them in this series. He pulls Embiid away from the basket and he's probably the best person on the planet for guarding Ben Simmons. Both Horford and Tatum are averaging 18 ppg, but Horford has been way more efficient.
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I’d probably take a healthy Jaylen over Tatum as well. Either way, nice duo for the foreseeable future in Boston
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Rozier is gone after this year imo. There no room for him with Kyrie and Heyward. Plus his trade value is really high right now.
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I would rather keep Rozier than Hayward. The Celtics are set at SG/SF with Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Hayward is the odd man out.
 
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Still thinks Fultz is gonna be really good. Just needs to get healthy and find his shot again and he’ll be fine.

Think I slightly exaggerated Ball’s offensive game but still think he’ll be an all star. Not feeling great about my Isaac as my third best player in the class.

Was right on Smith and Mitchell. Thought both guys would be really good but Mitchell has monster upside.

I was wrong on Tatum. Better athlete than he showed at Duke (wonder how much injuries affected him) and really improved his ball handling.

I hit on Markannen. Still love what he brings offensively.

I missed on Zach Collins. I thought he’d be better. Still early though.
 
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