D4H's 2017 NBA Draft Preview

[Sin City Vol]

You guys simply don't get how comparisons work. Its based on similarity of playing style. Not similarity of production. I compare Josh Dobbs to Randall Cunningham and Saquon Barkley to Fred Taylor not because that is the level of player I expect them to be. Rather it's the player whose playing style they most resemble. I'm on the record saying Dobbs will be the best QB in NFL history and Saquon the best RB I've ever seen. You guys need to stop being so simple and thinking a player comp means that I think they will put up similar numbers.

Also, when I say Fultz will be a bust, I mean in relation to Tatum or Ball, the guys who were drafted after him. If both develop into SUPERSTARS while Fultz is just an above average starter, then he will be a bust. He doesn't have to be out of the league in 3 years like Anthony Bennett to be considered a bust.

And finally, unlike you I don't consider CJ McCollum to be that good of a player. He's simply an above average basketball player. You might think stats tell what a player is. I don't. I watch the games and CJ McCollum isn't in the same universe as Kyrie Irving.

Markelle Fultz is a lot closer to what I said he would be than the morons that said he was the clear cut #1 pick before the draft last year.

Dude Fultz was injured 90% of the year, so bad that he could barely lift his arm above his shoulder. Calling this kid a bust already is a joke. He’s already better than Ball, who was also injured. Not sure what you actually do for a living but if “scouting” players and “watching tape” is your hobby, you need to get a new life cause you’re not very good at it.

I did see where The Steelers drafted a QB, I’m sure they expect Dobbs to have a monster year like you. Lol

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dude Fultz was injured 90% of the year, so bad that he could barely lift his arm above his shoulder. Calling this kid a bust already is a joke. He’s already better than Ball, who was also injured. Not sure what you actually do for a living but if “scouting” players and “watching tape” is your hobby, you need to get a new life cause you’re not very good at it.

I did see where The Steelers drafted a QB, I’m sure they expect Dobbs to have a monster year like you. Lol

Fultz will be a bust because he will never live up to the standard of a #1 pick.

And if you wanna talk Dobbs, there's a long thread over on the NFL subforum about him. This thread is about the 2017 NBA draft.

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

Everyone is sleeping on my boy Markkanen in Chicago. Showed huge promise this season

 

[Sin City Vol]

Fultz will be a bust because he will never live up to the standard of a #1 pick.

And if you wanna talk Dobbs, there's a long thread over on the NFL subforum about him. This thread is about the 2017 NBA draft.

Who sets that standard??? Not everyone is gonna be a LeBron. Plus the guy has played less than 1 full season in the NBA. Let the guy get healthy and then judge him. You’re full of $$$$ and you know it.

 

[GAVol]

You have a very narrow view of player value.

To be fair, it's hard to have a wide view when evaluating talent via Youtube on your phone.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Who sets that standard??? Not everyone is gonna be a LeBron. Plus the guy has played less than 1 full season in the NBA. Let the guy get healthy and then judge him. You’re full of $$$$ and you know it.

How about you can't be MUCH worse than the guys picked #2 and #3.

Jayson Tatum will be a SUPERSTAR. The fact Markelle Fultz will never get close to that level makes him a bust. Being an okay player as the #1 overall pick in a LOADED draft class is unacceptable.

 

[volfanCLT]

To be fair, it's hard to have a wide view when evaluating talent via Youtube on your phone.

D4H “scouting” on YouTube with his iPhone 4s

 

[Sin City Vol]

How about you can't be MUCH worse than the guys picked #2 and #3.

Jayson Tatum will be a SUPERSTAR. The fact Markelle Fultz will never get close to that level makes him a bust. Being an okay player as the #1 overall pick in a LOADED draft class is unacceptable.

So the guy is just okay because he was injured all season? Let’s say Tatum has a career ending injury next game...is he a bust? I mean he won’t live up to the hype. Why not put Tatum in the HoF the same year Dobbs goes into the NFL HoF

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

So the guy is just okay because he was injured all season? Let’s say Tatum has a career ending injury next game...is he a bust? I mean he won’t live up to the hype. Why not put Tatum in the HoF the same year Dobbs goes into the NFL HoF

Markelle Fultz never had the skill to be any good. You guys are using injuries as an excuse. We've actually seen Jayson Tatum play at a SUPERSTAR level. That's why he wouldn't be a bust.

 

[volnbama_]

Markelle Fultz never had the skill to be any good. You guys are using injuries as an excuse. We've actually seen Jayson Tatum play at a SUPERSTAR level. That's why he wouldn't be a bust.

What skills is Fultz lacking?
He showed the ability to run the pick n roll as good as as any college guard since Kyrie.

 

[n_huffhines]

Markelle Fultz never had the skill to be any good. You guys are using injuries as an excuse. We've actually seen Jayson Tatum play at a SUPERSTAR level. That's why he wouldn't be a bust.

You said McCollum, right? How do you reconcile these two statements?

He messed around and got a triple double in the only game where he played 25 minutes. The skill is there, it's a question of what he does with it.

 

[volfanCLT]

Markelle Fultz never had the skill to be any good. You guys are using injuries as an excuse. We've actually seen Jayson Tatum play at a SUPERSTAR level. That's why he wouldn't be a bust.

You might wanna watch some more film on him. I’m not convinced he’s gonna be as good as advertised but it’s not because of “never having the skill to be any good”

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

What skills is Fultz lacking?
He showed the ability to run the pick n roll as good as as any college guard since Kyrie.

Fultz is not good. If he was, the Sixers wouldn't have benched him for the entire playoffs.

And before you start using injuries as an excuse, he was playing at the end of the season. But in the playoffs, he wasn't considered good enough to play.

While Jayson Tatum (my #1 rated prospect in the 2017 NBA Draft) was leading his team in scoring in the series against the Sixers and making clutch shots at the end of games like he was the next Kobe Bryant.

There's no way to spin the Markelle Fultz story. He looks like a total BUST right now. While Jayson Tatum looks like a SUPERSTAR.

And I got that right over all the "scouts" and "talent evaluators".

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You said McCollum, right? How do you reconcile these two statements?

He messed around and got a triple double in the only game where he played 25 minutes. The skill is there, it's a question of what he does with it.

CJ McCollum is not very good. Unlike you I don't judge players by their stat lines. CJ McCollum is an average basketball player. He and Damian Lillard were exposed as average in the playoffs by the Pelicans guards.

And if Markelle Fultz isn't a bust, why exactly did the Sixers bench him in the playoffs? He didn't get a minute of game time in the series against Boston after putting up a meaningless triple double in garbage time of a regular season game.

Once again keep being fooled by empty numbers. A guy who can't get on the court in the playoffs when he's totally healthy is a BUST if he was the #1 overall pick. PERIOD.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

You might wanna watch some more film on him. I’m not convinced he’s gonna be as good as advertised but it’s not because of “never having the skill to be any good”

As of right now, Fultz is even worse than I thought he would be. I thought he had the potential to be an average starting SG in the NBA. Right now he looks like a total BUST since he couldn't get any playing time in the playoffs.

If you can't get on the court in the playoffs, what does that make you?

 

[volnbama_]

Fultz is not good. If he was, the Sixers wouldn't have benched him for the entire playoffs.

And before you start using injuries as an excuse, he was playing at the end of the season. But in the playoffs, he wasn't considered good enough to play.

While Jayson Tatum (my #1 rated prospect in the 2017 NBA Draft) was leading his team in scoring in the series against the Sixers and making clutch shots at the end of games like he was the next Kobe Bryant.

There's no way to spin the Markelle Fultz story. He looks like a total BUST right now. While Jayson Tatum looks like a SUPERSTAR.

And I got that right over all the "scouts" and "talent evaluators".

Or maybe Brett Brown wanted to roll with the guys he was comfortable playing and not shake up the chemistry. Fultz had only played a handful of games before the playoffs so the whole year was a wash. It looks like it was the wrong move by Philly sitting him in the playoffs since they couldn’t get past Boston.
You still didn’t answer my question. What is he lacking as a player? Saying he’s not good is not giving a scouting report

 

[n_huffhines]

CJ McCollum is not very good. Unlike you I don't judge players by their stat lines. CJ McCollum is an average basketball player. He and Damian Lillard were exposed as average in the playoffs by the Pelicans guards.

And if Markelle Fultz isn't a bust, why exactly did the Sixers bench him in the playoffs? He didn't get a minute of game time in the series against Boston after putting up a meaningless triple double in garbage time of a regular season game.

Once again keep being fooled by empty numbers. A guy who can't get on the court in the playoffs when he's totally healthy is a BUST if he was the #1 overall pick. PERIOD.

His status as a bust is not secured. He is 19 and he's on a good team and he was injured all year. Why do you act like there is no coming back from this?

Average guards don't lead their team to a 3-seed and the playoffs. Average guards in their position would already be sitting at home.

Everything is hyperbole with you.

 

[95 Vol Alum]

What's funny about that?

If I don't scout a player at all how I can be wrong about him?

Unlike the NFL Draft where I try to look for late round steals that develop into stars, I don't do that for the NBA because it almost never happens.

How many guys did you look at for the 2nd round then? You did put some effort in:

Second Round Steals (guys who probably won't be drafted in the 1st round but can make NBA teams)

- P.J. Dozier
- Ivan Rabb

 

[volsarelife1]

CJ McCollum is not very good. Unlike you I don't judge players by their stat lines. CJ McCollum is an average basketball player. He and Damian Lillard were exposed as average in the playoffs by the Pelicans guards.

And if Markelle Fultz isn't a bust, why exactly did the Sixers bench him in the playoffs? He didn't get a minute of game time in the series against Boston after putting up a meaningless triple double in garbage time of a regular season game.

Once again keep being fooled by empty numbers. A guy who can't get on the court in the playoffs when he's totally healthy is a BUST if he was the #1 overall pick. PERIOD.

Sooooo.. Fultz is a bust because he got benched and didn't play... Wouldn't that make Dobbs the ultimate bust, not only didn't he play but the Steelers decided to draft even another quarterback.

 

[Sin City Vol]

Sooooo.. Fultz is a bust because he got benched and didn't play... Wouldn't that make Dobbs the ultimate bust, not only didn't he play but the Steelers decided to draft even another quarterback.

Patiently waiting for his response....

 

[LittleCat]

His status as a bust is not secured. He is 19 and he's on a good team and he was injured all year. Why do you act like there is no coming back from this?

Average guards don't lead their team to a 3-seed and the playoffs. Average guards in their position would already be sitting at home.

Everything is hyperbole with you.

Because once D4H says something he can never change or admit failure. Only move the goalposts and make excuses.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Or maybe Brett Brown wanted to roll with the guys he was comfortable playing and not shake up the chemistry. Fultz had only played a handful of games before the playoffs so the whole year was a wash. It looks like it was the wrong move by Philly sitting him in the playoffs since they couldn’t get past Boston.
You still didn’t answer my question. What is he lacking as a player? Saying he’s not good is not giving a scouting report

LOL. This is the playoffs. It's win or go home. If they thought he could help them, they would have played him.

The fact he didn't get any playing even as they struggled versus Boston renders this argument of yours mute. It would be one thing if they were rolling and had beat Boston. The chemistry argument then might have been plausible. But when you're losing and struggling it isn't plausible. It shows that he simply wasn't good enough for the coach to play. PERIOD.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

His status as a bust is not secured. He is 19 and he's on a good team and he was injured all year. Why do you act like there is no coming back from this?

Average guards don't lead their team to a 3-seed and the playoffs. Average guards in their position would already be sitting at home.

Everything is hyperbole with you.

What you fail to consider is this is weakest era of of NBA basketball since the 1970s. Once again I don't compare players to their peers. I'm not into giving people hype for simply being the tallest midget.

Being the 3 seed in a weak NBA isn't impressive to me. That's one of the reason I don't care about the stats a player puts up. Stats are dependant on the quality of opposition and the scheme you play in. Right now there are a lot of inflated stats going on in the NBA. That doesn't make the guys putting up those numbers good.

CJ McCollum is an average basketball player. In this weak NBA he ranks better than average. But that's only because there is currently a talent drain in the NBA.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

How many guys did you look at for the 2nd round then? You did put some effort in:

I already explained that. I only cited those guys because I remembered them from the 2015 McDonald's All-American game when I was following that high school class.

I saw their names on the bottom of the mock drafts. Thought it was interesting they weren't getting more love. I believe both guys can become rotation players in the NBA and that's a steal if you can get that in the 2nd round.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Sooooo.. Fultz is a bust because he got benched and didn't play... Wouldn't that make Dobbs the ultimate bust, not only didn't he play but the Steelers decided to draft even another quarterback.

Football and basketball are completely different. For one, only 1 QB can play at a time while in basketball there can be 5 players on the court at any one time and subs made throughout where backups can play.

Also Dobbs was a mid round pick with low expectations and a Hall of Fame QB ahead of him. He isn't like Fultz that was the #1 overall pick. And when it comes to QBs, we have a track record of all-time great NFL QBs not playing as rookies (i.e. Tom Brady).

There's no track record of great NBA players who are taken #1 overall in the draft not being considered worthy of playing in the playoffs. Remember in football only 1 QB can play at a time. That's not the case in basketball. 5 guys can be on the court at any one time and the fact Fultz wasn't considered worthy of even playing 1 minute while he's completely healthy is extremely damming.