D4H's 2017 NFL Draft Preview

#27
#27
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Would it make you happy if I said Kamara is Marshall Faulk without breakaway speed?

Once again these comparisons aren't meant to say that is exactly who the player is in every way. Its just the closest player their playing style is similar to.

Alvin Kamara is similar to Marshall Faulk in many ways.
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It's not about me being "happy"...you can make a genuinely valid comparison or not. For instance if you were making a comparison between "player X" and Randy Moss, but a lot slower, how much sense would that make? If you are comparing ANY two players where one is decidedly and demonstrably different in a major aspect of their game then you are, at best, being lazy.

Brian Westbrook would be my first comparison. (shame that guy couldn't stay healthy or his numbers would look a lot better)
 
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#28
#28
bamawriter said:
That's like saying Kamara is Serena Williams without boobs.
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Not really. Breakaway speed is not among the most important attributes for a RB. Vision, iexplosion through the hole, and making people miss are far more important. Then you have things like pass catching and blocking.

Le'Veon Bell is arguably the best RB in the NFL and he ran 4.6 at the combine.
 
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hndog609 said:
It's not about me being "happy"...you can make a genuinely valid comparison or not. For instance if you were making a comparison between "player X" and Randy Moss, but a lot slower, how much sense would that make? If you are comparing ANY two players where one is decidedly and demonstrably different in a major aspect of their game then you are, at best, being lazy.

Brian Westbrook would be my first comparison. (shame that guy couldn't stay healthy or his numbers would look a lot better)
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In football explosiveness is a lot more important than long range speed. Alvin Kamara has that initial explosion that is rare. Like Marshall he can make people miss in the open field. He can also catch the ball and run routes like a receiver.

He's more like Marshall Faulk than any player since Marshall came into the league.
 
#30
#30
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
In football explosiveness is a lot more important than long range speed. Alvin Kamara has that initial explosion that is rare.
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Of course, that ignores the fact that Kamara is not in the same league as Faulk in terms of hitting the hole. Faulk's first step was nearly perfect every time. While Kamara possesses a very good first step, he's not in Faulk's league.
 
#31
#31
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not really. Breakaway speed is not among the most important attributes for a RB. Vision, iexplosion through the hole, and making people miss are far more important. Then you have things like pass catching and blocking.

Le'Veon Bell is arguably the best RB in the NFL and he ran 4.6 at the combine.
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I like AK a lot, but one of the knocks on him is his vision....or lack thereof.
 
#32
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bamawriter said:
Of course, that ignores the fact that Kamara is not in the same league as Faulk in terms of hitting the hole. Faulk's first step was nearly perfect every time. While Kamara possesses a very good first step, he's not in Faulk's league.
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Kamara's first step is as good as Faulk IMO.
 
#35
#35
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If Andy Dalton were selected in the top 5 of the draft he would be a bust.

Draft position matters. Mitch Trubisky is a second round caliber player. In the second round he's proper value. In the top 5 he's a bust.
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Ummm no. You've been horrifically wrong before, but this is an all new level of stupid you're entering
 
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#40
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
In football explosiveness is a lot more important than long range speed. Alvin Kamara has that initial explosion that is rare. Like Marshall he can make people miss in the open field. He can also catch the ball and run routes like a receiver.

He's more like Marshall Faulk than any player since Marshall came into the league.
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You either aren't very bright or aren't paying attention. Let's try again.

With WR there is a pretty big divide between those considered "possession" receivers and those considered legit "deep threats". One can be an outstanding receiver and not be considered much of a deep threat. You'd be hard pressed not to look like an idiot to try to make an A=B comparison between the two receiver groups.

So, it doesn't matter jack crap what Kamara CAN do when compared to Faulk but rather what he can't. Faulk is a home run hitter and Kamara simply isn't, he doesn't have the wheels. That doesn't mean he can't be very successful but it does mean he has no business being compared to guys with sprinters speed. It's astonishing this is something that escapes you.
 
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#42
hndog609 said:
You either aren't very bright or aren't paying attention. Let's try again.

With WR there is a pretty big divide between those considered "possession" receivers and those considered legit "deep threats". One can be an outstanding receiver and not be considered much of a deep threat. You'd be hard pressed not to look like an idiot to try to make an A=B comparison between the two receiver groups.

So, it doesn't matter jack crap what Kamara CAN do when compared to Faulk but rather what he can't. Faulk is a home run hitter and Kamara simply isn't, he doesn't have the wheels. That doesn't mean he can't be very successful but it does mean he has no business being compared to guys with sprinters speed. It's astonishing this is something that escapes you.
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Considering he has never watched the people he used as comparisons play, it's no wonder he's wrong.
 
#43
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Burger said:
Considering he has never watched the people he used as comparisons play, it's no wonder he's wrong.
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I think he just looks at "who's a HOFer that bears any resemblance whatsoever to who I'm trying to hype" and there you go...all the due diligence required.
 
#44
#44
I'm still waiting on some detail on the Fournette to Dupree comparison. I'm pretty confident D4H isn't old enough to have seen Dupree play in the league, and I'm sure he's not old enough to have seen him in the USFL.
 
#45
#45
bamawriter said:
I'm still waiting on some detail on the Fournette to Dupree comparison. I'm pretty confident D4H isn't old enough to have seen Dupree play in the league, and I'm sure he's not old enough to have seen him in the USFL.
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I've never seen Dupree play, but I'm also not going to make that comparison. Fournette could be like Jerome Bettis.
 
#46
#46
bamawriter said:
I'm still waiting on some detail on the Fournette to Dupree comparison. I'm pretty confident D4H isn't old enough to have seen Dupree play in the league, and I'm sure he's not old enough to have seen him in the USFL.
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I couldn't think of another overhyped giant college RB with crazy speed who disappointed in the NFL.

How about Hershel Walker? He's another overhyped big SEC RB with speed that disappointed in the NFL.
 
#47
#47
Burger said:
I've never seen Dupree play, but I'm also not going to make that comparison. Fournette could be like Jerome Bettis.
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Fournette has a very good top gear. (and not exactly a plodding low gear either) He ran a 10.68 100m in HS. That's pretty good for a football player period...at his size it's outstanding.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I couldn't think of another overhyped giant college RB with crazy speed who disappointed in the NFL.

How about Hershel Walker? He's another overhyped big SEC RB with speed that disappointed in the NFL.
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So, when you say that you're comparing playing styles, attributes, or any other quality one might name, what you actually mean is that you just picked a random notable bust?

You spend all this time talking about all the film you watch, your "gift", and your "eye for talent", but when it actually comes to drawing comparisons you might as well be pulling names out of a hat. You are a clown.
 
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