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This is an average Double A lineup

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How are those analytics working out?

I can't even imagine what is being thought and said in the front office now. Probably laying out plans for the sacrifices of scapegoats.

Trying to blame analytics for the problems of your franchise is like trying to blame a lamp for putting too much foundation for collapsing
 
Trying to blame analytics for the problems of your franchise is like trying to blame a lamp for putting too much foundation for collapsing

Read again more slowly what I said, Z. "How are those analytics working out?" That is not blaming the analytics. It's the not having a roster and farm at least partially built for the analytics they are trying to use.

Reds fans know they sold their org out philosophically to the guys that Trevor Bauer was connected with before signing the type players that can win with it.
 

Record level bad - not an aberration - a reality. You posted above, accurately, it is a AA level line-up. Their only hope hope now it that they correctly identified the players who can develop into legit big league players within the metrics they have chosen to operate. When one considers the wannabes and has-beens they signed from other orgs, it is hard to believe they do

Which is and has been my point, for years, despite Z's dumb drive-by assertions.

Choose a method of operation as an org. Solely analytics driven, old school, or something in between - whatever. Totally commit to it from the top down through the least players in the org. Get the players for it. Implement it. See what happens.

That means not implementing it fully before you have enough players who can execute it. Which is what this org did. The tail should not wag the dog. That never works.

Had they held on, retained key guys, and brought in a few others that kept the existing method going at the 40 man roster level while they built the farm in the new method - the transition would have been much smoother. Don't just jettison the guys with contracts in a salary dump who have performed at a high enough level in the previous season to win more games than they lost whole bringing in a bunch of wannabes and has-beens from other orgs to keep the payroll down when your farm has not developed enough new method guys. The org loses the winning mentality in that process, which drives the fan base away. Which is part of analytics, FWIW, along with wins per dollar spent on individual player compensation.

They did not do this or did it very poorly and we all know it who follow Reds baseball. This ownership does not have deep enough pockets and competency to get it done IMO.
 
Get a win streak and we're ready to trade again

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MLBTR reported it today when they put an article up on signing Lockett. Expect both to be traded by the deadline. Might as well if your primary desire is to manage payroll and you could care less what your W total is.
 
Solid bounce back effort by Greene last night after getting crushed by the Brewers last week. The offense is waking up and putting runs on the board but pitching has continued to kill us this season.
 
The ERA for this staff is 6.49. The next worst in MLB is the Rats at 4.91. A full 1.5 RPG worse. The hitting is trending better, but still in the bottom quadrant. So the run differential is still awful. Any chance they have to get within shouting distance of .500 by the end of the season will be dependent on the pitching becoming at least semi-viable - while they are talking about moving their two best SP's before the deadline.
 
They throw out tens of millions for top picks and signings. Can't develop them worth a crap. Trade them away if they ever so get good enough. In the offseason pick up a wannabe, 15th round, 28 year old cast off from other bottom dwellers and send him to the farm. Need a body with so many injured. Call him up to start and he gives them a good effort. Let him pitch him again and he does even better - team wins easily. Have him start a third time and he gets a quality start, 3 hit shutout for 6.1. Team wins 4-0.

So what have we learned? Baseball defies logic at times.

If they aren't careful they may win their way out of last place and hand that honor to the Cubs.
 
Moose is breaking out of his funk. Others are starting to find their swings. Better late than never.

Gut to the pen - out as a starter. Overton officially in the rotation (deserved). Minor due to arrive within a week or so, has a second rehab start this weekend.

Won 6/8. Votto, Senzel and India due back soon. Get some pitching and they have a shot to get back to .500 by season's end subject to trades.
 
Bell is an idiot. He sent him back out at 102 pitches. Even if he'd had an easy inning was he gonna send him out for the 9th at 115 or 120 pitches?
 
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I wonder if the FO realizes they may have a problem with how they do things year after year?

Probably not.

Like maybe ask the question, "Why are we having so many injuries and illnesses to start every year? It's causing the season to be over before it gets started good."

Then, maybe, analyze and find some answers.

Then after that, maybe, change what you are doing and who you have doing it.

Injuries & Moves: Stephenson (concussion protocol) cleared
 
Need India back in the worst way. Senzel needs to come back, play well for a month, and then they trade him before he breaks or gets sick again.

All one has to do is look at the BA's of the line-up and know where this is going without a radical roster change. 50 W's +/- 5.
 
Barrero will be up soon. Get India back and find a way to play the best 8. May be time for him to go back to his natural 3B and Farmer at 2B. Pitching staff ERA/WHIP are still #30 - the weakest link.

Good luck to the FO idgits in moving pitchers for pitchers by the trade deadline. I do know to suspend common and baseball sense based on history of the org.
 
Here's how Votto found his swing after a slow start

He's now up to .200 BA after a 1/4 night when they lost 7-0. That qualifies as going on a tear per Sheldon. 16 games under .500 with 56 games in the books.

I guess you really have to stretch for a story if you are a Reds beat writer. Next he can write one on how the team projects out at not having the worst W/L record in the modern baseball era.
 

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