Dadeville, AL Shooting

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Vol8188 said:
Not at all. I oppose gun laws. I’m assuming you agree with me that the data says black Americans commit most homicides, can legally own less guns (more felons within the population), and overall own less guns.

So why do you continue talking about the guns?
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You didn't answer the question. What follows for you from a policy perspective? The most I can cobble together from your non-answer is that you oppose guns laws, blacks are adversely affected by those laws (like restrictions on felons owning guns), so you think felons should also be able to own guns to bring their numbers on par with whites. Please tell me that's not your position.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Not at all. I oppose gun laws. I’m assuming you agree with me that the data says black Americans commit most homicides, can legally own less guns (more felons within the population), and overall own less guns.

So why do you continue talking about the guns?
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You can blame the high crime rates in black neighborhoods and poor white, rural trailer parks on the democrats disastrous "war on poverty". Giving people free shiz is a one way ticket to squalor and the incentive for no one to ever improve themselves.
 
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evillawyer said:
You didn't answer the question. What follows for you from a policy perspective? The most I can cobble together from your non-answer is that you oppose guns laws, blacks are adversely affected by those laws (like restrictions on felons owning guns), so you think felons should also be able to own guns to bring their numbers on par with whites. Please tell me that's not your position.
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I answered the question you asked. You asked if there should be race based gun laws. I very clearly said no.

From a policy perspective I would recommend basic “tougher on crime” policies we implemented in the 90s that were insanely effective and saved the lives of numerous black Americans. Instead of the current situation we are seeing in big cities were they release criminals back to the streets.

Such as the man who had attempted to kill his gf within the previous week, was released pending trial, and then ran over multiple people at a parade in Wisconsin
 
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Vol8188 said:
I answered the question you asked. You asked if there should be race based gun laws. I very clearly said no.

From a policy perspective I would recommend basic “tougher on crime” policies we implemented in the 90s that were insanely effective and saved the lives of numerous black Americans. Instead of the current situation we are seeing in big cities were they release criminals back to the streets
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What does big city catch and release policies have to do with ... Daleville, Alabama. I'm guessing Alabama is just as tough on crime as it always has been, if not tougher. Maybe, just maybe, it's the nearly unrestrained access to guns.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And largely against other blacks.
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Yep. That’s the worst part by far. The tough on crime policies that saved so many in the black community were overwhelmingly sought by the black community. Because they deserve safe neighborhoods to raise their families.

The left has done a ton of damaging in eroding those policies that they originally implemented
 
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Vol8188 said:
From 1990 until about 2019 or so homicides and violent crimes were down around 90% despite there being more guns in this country every year.

So yeah, it seems you’re right.
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From 2010 to 2020 gun related deaths are up nearly 50%.....aren't statistics fun?
 
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evillawyer said:
So, you say this, but I don't know what you mean to imply.
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Imply? He was just stating a fact. There is nothing more you need to read in to it. That's like asking someone "What do you really mean when you say 2+2=4?"

evillawyer said:
Explain what follows for you. Do you think there should be race-based gun laws?
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We already have that, thanks to Democrats, in places like Chicago, DC and other metro areas.
 
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evillawyer said:
What does big city catch and release policies have to do with ... Daleville, Alabama. I'm guessing Alabama is just as tough on crime as it always has been, if not tougher. Maybe, just maybe, it's the nearly unrestrained access to guns.
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If the problem were “unrestrained access to guns” you would see the population that was larger and had the most access to guns due to their increased wealth and lower felony rates being the population committing the most homicides. So what you’re saying is in no way supported by the actual data.

As far as “would tougher on crime policies prevented this specific incident”? No policy will prevent all homicide so that’s a poor way of viewing the question. The real question isn’t “will it save everyone” but “will it save more than the alternative” and then answer is an obvious yes.

I’m curious though. If you don’t believe the issue is a move away from tougher policies, what do you blame the recent uptick in violent crime on? From 1990-2019 we had more and more guns every year and less and less violence.

What changed other than policies?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
From 2010 to 2020 gun related deaths are up nearly 50%.....aren't statistics fun?
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Id like to see that data. If I had to guess it’s probably a result of lockdown related suicides. It’s very disingenuous to include suicides and acts of self defense. What we should be talking about is homicides. Isn’t your claim that more guns lead to more homicides?

If so why did we see a decrease almost every year in homicides and all violent crimes despite massive numbers of guns being added to the country every year for about 30 years starting in the 90s?

How do you square that simple fact away with your world view?
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Was it another redneck mass shooting rampage?
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This is as dumb as your thread you started in the pub, that thankfully got gone. Trying to blame a white woman for getting a plane diverted, and saying she wasn't dark enough for them to post a picture. When low and behold, it wasn't a white woman. You make a post about lies, yet that's all you do when it comes to your political posts. You don't have anything to blame on white people, so you just lie, and hope nobody checks you. You're a liar, and obviously racist.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Gay guns.
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Haha.

Seriously, though: we obviously aren't handing out assault rifles, so we should look at what has changed in the past few years in order to find solutions.

What variables might explain an increase in firearm-related deaths?

And going back further, what could explain the increased rate of firearm-related deaths in the areas where they are highest?
 
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evillawyer said:
You didn't answer the question. What follows for you from a policy perspective? The most I can cobble together from your non-answer is that you oppose guns laws, blacks are adversely affected by those laws (like restrictions on felons owning guns), so you think felons should also be able to own guns to bring their numbers on par with whites. Please tell me that's not your position.
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IDK about him but I firmly believe that once a person completes their sentence all of their civil rights should be restored.
 
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hog88 said:
IDK about him but I firmly believe that once a person completes their sentence all of their civil rights should be restored.
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I could not have more clearly answered his question.

“Do you want race based gun laws”

“Not at all. I oppose gun laws”.
 
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evillawyer said:
You didn't answer the question. What follows for you from a policy perspective? The most I can cobble together from your non-answer is that you oppose guns laws, blacks are adversely affected by those laws (like restrictions on felons owning guns), so you think felons should also be able to own guns to bring their numbers on par with whites. Please tell me that's not your position.
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“A man with a rifle or a club can only be stopped by a person who defends himself with a rifle or a club. That's equality. If the United States government doesn't want you and me to have rifles, then take the rifles away from those racists.
If they don't want you and me to use clubs, take the clubs away from the racists. If they don't want you and me to get violent, then stop the racists from being violent. Don't teach us non-violence!!!”
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MALCOLM X AND HIS GUN

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norrislakevol said:
You can blame the high crime rates in black neighborhoods and poor white, rural trailer parks on the democrats disastrous "war on poverty". Giving people free shiz is a one way ticket to squalor and the incentive for no one to ever improve themselves.
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And the break up of the traditional family. The govt is now the husband/father/provider.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are a clown.
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Well, it takes one to know one. Court jester, Auguste clown, Tramp clown, Character clown, Mime clown, Rodeo clown, I know, I know! You're a Creepy clown, the sicko type you'd never see in a circus, a horror house, yes, but not a circus. I thought I recognized you. Hello, Creep.
 
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