Dadeville, AL Shooting

[GroverCleveland]

Are you just trolling at this point? No, gang violence is terrible. But it’s a different thing and guns are not the root of that problem. As I’ve stated many times, white Americans own the most guns, white Americans can legally own more guns because of lower felony rates, yet black Americans still commit more homicides. That’s obviously an issue other than guns.

But you refuse to accept that and instead believe the insist guns to be the problem

FYP. They don't believe that, they just want to take the guns away from law-abiding citizens.

 

[VOLinAL]

Haha.

Seriously, though: we obviously aren't handing out assault rifles, so we should look at what has changed in the past few years in order to find solutions.

What variables might explain an increase in firearm-related deaths?

And going back further, what could explain the increased rate of firearm-related deaths in the areas where they are highest?

The overall culture of the country has changed significantly. Being born in 1990 I went through grade school to high school never thinking about mass shootings. In college the country started to divide itself based on race and political affiliations and the younger generations have just went downhill from there. Be interesting to know the percentage of what age groups the suspects of all mass shootings come from.

 

[kiddiedoc]

The overall culture of the country has changed significantly. Being born in 1990 I went through grade school to high school never thinking about mass shootings. In college the country started to divide itself based on race and political affiliations and the younger generations have just went downhill from there. Be interesting to know the percentage of what age groups the suspects of all mass shootings come from.

Exactly. Growing up, I had ready access to plenty of guns at home, gunpowder, bows and arrows, knives, etc, as did most every kid I knew. Hell, I was given an over/under when I was too little to even hold it up. Dad had a .357 loaded in his sock drawer. And yet, nobody was shooting anyone.

So, what has changed? Because it sure as hell isn't access to firearms.

 

[joevol33]

Exactly. Growing up, I had ready access to plenty of guns at home, gunpowder, bows and arrows, knives, etc, as did most every kid I knew. Hell, I was given an over/under when I was too little to even hold it up. Dad had a .357 loaded in his sock drawer. And yet, nobody was shooting anyone.

So, what has changed? Because it sure as hell isn't access to firearms.

Every guy in my school almost had a knife, and nobody ever pulled it out during a fight at school. Saw it one time at the bus stop, and a couple of us intervened. I think a big difference today, every other kid is medicated for something, and I mean some kind of antidepressant type medicine. I mean no offense, cause I know you work with kids, and some may need it. It's not just kids, most adults I know are on something. Growing up, you rarely heard of anybody being on medication like that. When I moved to Georgia I had a pretty bad wreck, broke a bunch of stuff. First thing the Dr did was try giving me an antidepressant. I told him I was physically hurt, not mentally. I'm not trying to sound insensitive to people who need those medications, but I think it has the wrong effect on some.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Every guy in my school almost had a knife, and nobody ever pulled it out during a fight at school. Saw it one time at the bus stop, and a couple of us intervened. I think a big difference today, every other kid is medicated for something, and I mean some kind of antidepressant type medicine. I mean no offense, cause I know you work with kids, and some may need it. It's not just kids, most adults I know are on something. Growing up, you rarely heard of anybody being on medication like that. When I moved to Georgia I had a pretty bad wreck, broke a bunch of stuff. First thing the Dr did was try giving me an antidepressant. I told him I was physically hurt, not mentally. I'm not trying to sound insensitive to people who need those medications, but I think it has the wrong effect on some.

Respectfully, I don't think medication is the main issue. Heck, just before my time, kids (and adults) were given opiates for cough and minor pain.

As a physician, off the cuff, here is my list of contributing factors to current gun violence:

1. Gang/drug-related crime
2. A completely broken mental health system
3. Lax laws on detaining dangerous criminals
4. Effects of isolation on mental health (CV19 lockdowns, social media/screen time rather than socialization)
5. Encouragement of "alternative lifestyles," many of which are actually mental disorders
6. Reduction in police support
7. Glorification/media coverage of isolated violent actions
8. Welfare state, lack of fathers in households
9. Desensitization of violence following excessive, graphic video game consumption
10. Stress of a divided country and many manufactured "racial/gender/politicsl" factions amplified by media and social media

 

[kiddiedoc]

Oh, and I carry one of my knives sharpened with care on whetstone at all times. Kind of a zen thing for me. Guess how many people I've ever stabbed?

 

[C-south]

The overall culture of the country has changed significantly. Being born in 1990 I went through grade school to high school never thinking about mass shootings. In college the country started to divide itself based on race and political affiliations and the younger generations have just went downhill from there. Be interesting to know the percentage of what age groups the suspects of all mass shootings come from.

The internet started us down the path. Social media doubled down on it.

 

[C-south]

Every guy in my school almost had a knife, and nobody ever pulled it out during a fight at school. Saw it one time at the bus stop, and a couple of us intervened. I think a big difference today, every other kid is medicated for something, and I mean some kind of antidepressant type medicine. I mean no offense, cause I know you work with kids, and some may need it. It's not just kids, most adults I know are on something. Growing up, you rarely heard of anybody being on medication like that. When I moved to Georgia I had a pretty bad wreck, broke a bunch of stuff. First thing the Dr did was try giving me an antidepressant. I told him I was physically hurt, not mentally. I'm not trying to sound insensitive to people who need those medications, but I think it has the wrong effect on some.

The difference today is somebody would be more concerned with pulling out their phone and filming/live streaming someone get stabbed than help stop someone from getting stabbed.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

That doesn't surprise me either. Stupidity is also rampant across the social strata.

No doubt. Look at who 81 million people put into the White House. Stupidity abounds.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

I said exactly how you lied. Stop lying, and I'll stop responding to your posts.

Starting now, I hope.

 

[LargeOrange1]

Reports starting to trickle in of a big mass shooting in Dadeville, Alabama. Some teenagers birthday party. Multiple killed. 30+ in the hospital.

Big night for the 2nd Amendment. Love that freedom. So much good comes of it. We're definitely all safer because of it.

But but I thought BLACK LIVES MATTER???? Dang...this is soooo confusing.

 

[VOLinAL]

Respectfully, I don't think medication is the main issue. Heck, just before my time, kids (and adults) were given opiates for cough and minor pain.

As a physician, off the cuff, here is my list of contributing factors to current gun violence:

1. Gang/drug-related crime
2. A completely broken mental health system
3. Lax laws on detaining dangerous criminals
4. Effects of isolation on mental health (CV19 lockdowns, social media/screen time rather than socialization)
5. Encouragement of "alternative lifestyles," many of which are actually mental disorders
6. Reduction in police support
7. Glorification/media coverage of isolated violent actions
8. Welfare state, lack of fathers in households
9. Desensitization of violence following excessive, graphic video game consumption
10. Stress of a divided country and many manufactured "racial/gender/politicsl" factions amplified by media and social media

Kind of hit the nail on the head with a lot of these.

 

[BreatheUT]

It’s absurd they even use the word compromise.

It's their trickster language that is still an effective tool for them.

When was the last policy that veered right. We can't think of one. Even George W. surveillance state was a gift to the left. We thought it was necessary at the time. Now we know how bad those changes have proven to be.

All progressives know policy only moves in one direction. It's their utopia. The leftists on this board discuss it. One day they think the US will be a leftist paradise ruled by authoritarianism and tyranny.

 

[kiddiedoc]

It's their trickster language that is still an effective tool for them.

Exactly. That's how we got to this nanny welfare society that we live in today.

"I think people that are able should work so they can afford things like food, shelter, and health care. "

"Well, let's compromise..."

 

[85SugarVol]

“And just like that, EL no longer cared about Dadeville, Ala-Bama.”

 

[McDad]

“And just like that, EL no longer cared about Dadeville, Ala-Bama.”

EL posted 5 times in 2 pages (50 posts) counting the OP and follow up.

The reference to gang activity came in post #63:

From what I see on my searching, this was gang related.

EL has not posted since.

Thread is 191 posts long as of my contribution.

 

[Vol8188]

EL posted 5 times in 2 pages (50 posts) counting the OP and follow up.

The reference to gang activity came in post #63:


EL has not posted since.

Thread is 191 posts long as of my contribution.

You’d think they understand enough about the reality of homicides in places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana to wait.

 

[volfanhill]

You’d think they understand enough about the reality of homicides in places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana to wait.

You are asking for too much from EL. We can't even get her to read past the headlines in news stories she posts.

 

[McDad]

You’d think they understand enough about the reality of homicides in places like Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana to wait.

I haven't seen any novel ideas posted since my participation in the first gun thread which probably took place in 2011.
My point is, there is nothing worth discussing with people who have an established way to amend the constitution but put no time or resources pursuing an amendment.

 

[85SugarVol]

EL posted 5 times in 2 pages (50 posts) counting the OP and follow up.

The reference to gang activity came in post #63:


EL has not posted since.

Thread is 191 posts long as of my contribution.

She dropped it like a hot potato the second it was of no political value.

LG waded in cautiously, and made a few obligatory posts.

Props to BowlBrother & Luther though. They never took the bait.

 

[hUTch2002]

Respectfully, I don't think medication is the main issue. Heck, just before my time, kids (and adults) were given opiates for cough and minor pain.

As a physician, off the cuff, here is my list of contributing factors to current gun violence:

1. Gang/drug-related crime
2. A completely broken mental health system
3. Lax laws on detaining dangerous criminals
4. Effects of isolation on mental health (CV19 lockdowns, social media/screen time rather than socialization)
5. Encouragement of "alternative lifestyles," many of which are actually mental disorders
6. Reduction in police support
7. Glorification/media coverage of isolated violent actions
8. Welfare state, lack of fathers in households
9. Desensitization of violence following excessive, graphic video game consumption
10. Stress of a divided country and many manufactured "racial/gender/politicsl" factions amplified by media and social media

I would also add a lack of consequences for kids. Hell, these days you aren’t even supposed to spank your kids. Without negative consequences for their bad actions how are they supposed to learn boundaries? I agree with your list in general but I also think these kids growing up without those boundaries are more likely to cross the line later in life simply because they don’t understand that actions have consequences.

 

[kiddiedoc]

I would also add a lack of consequences for kids. Hell, these days you aren’t even supposed to spank your kids. Without negative consequences for their bad actions how are they supposed to learn boundaries? I agree with your list in general but I also think these kids growing up without those boundaries are more likely to cross the line later in life simply because they don’t understand that actions have consequences.

Agreed, but part of that goes back to the lack of a father in the house, parental neglect/drug use, single parenting while working, etc.

 

[Vol423]

Agreed, but part of that goes back to the lack of a father in the house, parental neglect/drug use, single parenting while working, etc.

That's true, but even in two-parent households, WAY too many parents these days are more concerned with being their kids' friends rather than teaching them right from wrong, how to work hard and be a responsible, contributing member of society. I believe the arrival of participation trophies was when things were first starting to go off the rails.

 

[Vol8188]

Agreed, but part of that goes back to the lack of a father in the house, parental neglect/drug use, single parenting while working, etc.

My dad was involved but I 100% got by with more at moms house. It takes a man to control a man

 

[joevol33]

Starting now, I hope.

Don't be posting lies, and I won't quote you calling them out. It's fairly simple.