Daily Dose of Delusion, Part Deux

[rwemyss]

:good!:

Besides, Captain Crunch rules and Count Chocula blows!

Captain Crunch cuts the roof of your mouth!!! hmy:

 

[hatvol96]

So wait, you're basing "tradition" on performance against one team?

Tradition means being a major player and program for more than 25 years. Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Tennessee and Alabama (among others) have tradition. Florida State, Miami and Florida (among others) do not. Granted, the Gators have more than Miami or FSU, but that ain't saying much.

Tradition also means more than having a Gatorade commerical featuring Keith Jackson talking about how a Florida coach wanted to know why his players "weren't going [to the bathroom] during the game . . . "

So, in 2008 Miami becomes the preeminent program in college football? If we're doing it in 25 year increments, their resume will out strip everyone starting in '08.

 

[hatvol96]

no1g8tr

florida HAS NOT PLAYED A GOOD TEAM YET


Neither have we.

 

[no1g8r]

LG...
These next four quarters will, I think, go into the series records as one of the greater games ever played between us. I have the sense that our guys are 100% ready to play this one. There is every reason to believe your alligators are locked and loaded as well.

These are the best of times for a fan. Yours and ours.
Good luck. And here's hoping that after all the ups and downs this game is likely to throw at each of us, I'm the one with both hands raised high in jubilation. Either way, I'll think of you when I toast the games outcome at around 11:30 Saturday.

Your a good guy to have around here. But know this.
More than anything I want you to be very unhappy come Sunday morning!

So here's to a great game.:toast:

Man, it don't get much better than this!

Well stated. Though the post was meant for LG, I feel exactly the same way on all counts.

It should be a great game by two determined teams with something to prove. It really doesn't get much better than this!

 

[lawgator1]

So, in 2008 Miami becomes the preeminent program in college football? If we're doing it in 25 year increments, their resume will out strip everyone starting in '08.

Yeah, but talk about a program on the fast track to also-ran status. I mean, wow, they still get great athletes there but so many coaching problems at this point. They probably would be way better off if they cleaned house.

 

[hatvol96]

Yeah, but talk about a program on the fast track to also-ran status. I mean, wow, they still get great athletes there but so many coaching problems at this point. They probably would be way better off if they cleaned house.

The coaching problem will be addressed at the end of the season. Miami has won National Cahmpionships with four different coaches. Florida has had only one coach win anything of significance. I'd worry about my own program, if I were you. Just think, if the "U" keeps falling off, the Gators might not be so pertified to schedule them. You would get the chance to possibly beat them for the first time in a generation. Compare the two teams records the last 4 years. Miami still outshines the outhouse of a school in Gainesville.

 

[no1g8r]

if you think our fan base is fragle, you are a moron, aparently you havent ben in neyland stadium, neyland is the toughist place in the nation to play, thats why chris leak is 0-2 there.

I agree that Neyland through the years, has been one of the toughest stadiums to play in in the country. That wasn't my point. My point is that the Vol fans (and players) are still a bit on edge regarding the quality of their team after the slide the last couple of years. I was referring to the fan psyche being fragile.

Put another way, while I don't expect a bad UT showing this weekend, I don't think that it would take too much of a bad UT showing for the fans to get that "here we go again" feeling as a hangover from last year and become restless a lot sooner.

That was my point. It had nothing to do with whether or not Neyland was a tough place to play. I know it is - at least I know it CAN be as I remember not too long ago that it was. And if your team stays on a roll this year, it will continue to be. But if they don't stay on a roll...it lets a lot of steam out of the Neyland pressure cooker.

 

[no1g8r]

The coaching problem will be addressed at the end of the season. Miami has won National Cahmpionships with four different coaches. Florida has had only one coach win anything of significance. I'd worry about my own program, if I were you. Just think, if the "U" keeps falling off, the Gators might not be so pertified to schedule them. You would get the chance to possibly beat them for the first time in a generation. Compare the two teams records the last 4 years. Miami still outshines the outhouse of a school in Gainesville.

This probably isn't the year that you want to compare UT SOS w/UF. Not a knock on UT's SOS - it's a tough one, but UF got the worst draw of the SECW teams this year on top of their annual game with FSU. No AD worth his salt in the country would add a team like UM to a schedule like UF currently has. The downside would be huge, the upside nearly insignificant.

 

[hatvol96]

This probably isn't the year that you want to compare UT SOS w/UF. Not a knock on UT's SOS - it's a tough one, but UF got the worst draw of the SECW teams this year on top of their annual game with FSU. No AD worth his salt in the country would add a team like UM to a schedule like UF currently has. The downside would be huge, the upside nearly insignificant.

Where did I reference UT's strength of schedule? UF quit scheduling Miami in the late '80s when the SEC was still playing 6 conference games. What was your excuse then?

 

[lawgator1]

This probably isn't the year that you want to compare UT SOS w/UF. Not a knock on UT's SOS - it's a tough one, but UF got the worst draw of the SECW teams this year on top of their annual game with FSU. No AD worth his salt in the country would add a team like UM to a schedule like UF currently has. The downside would be huge, the upside nearly insignificant.

I think he meant comparing UM's schedule to ours.

Hat and I have a little bit of history on the issue of the Miami program. No point in getting into that here again. There will be a better time and place for that as things shake out in the college season later this month and into October.

 

[Lexvol]

I agree that Neyland through the years, has been one of the toughest stadiums to play in in the country. That wasn't my point. My point is that the Vol fans (and players) are still a bit on edge regarding the quality of their team after the slide the last couple of years. I was referring to the fan psyche being fragile.

Put another way, while I don't expect a bad UT showing this weekend, I don't think that it would take too much of a bad UT showing for the fans to get that "here we go again" feeling as a hangover from last year and become restless a lot sooner.

That was my point. It had nothing to do with whether or not Neyland was a tough place to play. I know it is - at least I know it CAN be as I remember not too long ago that it was. And if your team stays on a roll this year, it will continue to be. But if they don't stay on a roll...it lets a lot of steam out of the Neyland pressure cooker.

Agreed. But if UT hands it to Florida this week, Florida's fan base will have a comparable collective response about Florida's road record and Meyer's toughness. You talk as if the Gator's have already proven themselves.

 

[no1g8r]

Where did I reference UT's strength of schedule? UF quit scheduling Miami in the late '80s when the SEC was still playing 6 conference games. What was your excuse then?

Okay, I misread that post. It happens.

There was agreement by both ADs to not schedule a series of games between Miami and UF, as the blood had gotten so bad between the two that there were fan safety concerns. Spurrier wanted to resume the rivalry when returned, but by the time a schedule adjustment would be possible the SEC had gone to 8 conference games and it became economically unrealistic to do a home-and-home with them (in addition to the standing home and home with FSU).

Miami got the benefit of that, missing UF in it's prime years, then getting back on the schedule (for a home and home series and a bowl game) while UF was in a decline (2 Zooks and an interim coach for those games).

I won't delve into the Miami thing any further than that upon the advice of friendly counsel.

 

[hatvol96]

I think he meant comparing UM's schedule to ours.

Hat and I have a little bit of history on the issue of the Miami program. No point in getting into that here again. There will be a better time and place for that as things shake out in the college season later this month and into October.

Nothing will happen between now and October that will change the fact that UF hasn't beaten the "U" in 21 years.

 

[hatvol96]

Okay, I misread that post. It happens.

There was agreement by both ADs to not schedule a series of games between Miami and UF, as the blood had gotten so bad between the two that there were fan safety concerns. Spurrier wanted to resume the rivalry when returned, but by the time a schedule adjustment would be possible the SEC had gone to 8 conference games and it became economically unrealistic to do a home-and-home with them (in addition to the standing home and home with FSU).

Miami got the benefit of that, missing UF in it's prime years, then getting back on the schedule (for a home and home series and a bowl game) while UF was in a decline (2 Zooks and an interim coach for those games).

I won't delve into the Miami thing any further than that upon the advice of friendly counsel.

Spurrier was the coach when Miami pimp slapped the Gators in the '01 Sugar Bowl.

 

[VolinArizona]

Nothing will happen between now and October that will change the fact that UF hasn't beaten the "U" in 21 years.

I wasn't around these parts in 2003. What was your reaction to UT going into Miami and winning?

 

[no1g8r]

Agreed. But if UT hands it to Florida this week, Florida's fan base will have a comparable collective response about Florida's road record and Meyer's toughness. You talk as if the Gator's have already proven themselves.

I don't think UF fans will question Meyer's toughness, and I agree that questions regarding his team's toughness and ability to win on the road would come into further question, but I don't think there would be as quick of a rush to judgement as I believe there might be with Vols fans.

It's all speculation, though (on both counts, UF & UT), and will be largely dictated not just by which team loses, but by how (and how badly) they lose.

 

[no1g8r]

Spurrier was the coach when Miami pimp slapped the Gators in the '01 Sugar Bowl.

Florida was already on the way down at that point, and Spurrier had already made up his mind that he was leaving prior to that game against Miami. Jeez, we lost to the Vols just a few weeks before, what more proof do you need that UF was already in a decline at that point?

 

[volinbham]

Jeez, we lost to the Vols just a few weeks before, what more proof do you need that UF was already in a decline at that point?

:lol: Had to laugh at that one.

 

[hatvol96]

:lol: Had to laugh at that one.

I'm really laughing because, in typical Florida fashion, it's totally inaccurate. Miami and UF played in the '01 Sugar Bowl after the '00 season. Given how UF stole the game in '00, I can see how they would remember it as a loss.

 

[no1g8r]

...as for law gator ... no one really gives two turds about your "daily dose of reality"

Yet the threads hit double digits in pages of posts both days thus far...go figure. :whistling:

 

[lawgator1]

I don't think UF fans will question Meyer's toughness, and I agree that questions regarding his team's toughness and ability to win on the road would come into further question, but I don't think there would be as quick of a rush to judgement as I believe there might be with Vols fans.

It's all speculation, though (on both counts, UF & UT), and will be largely dictated not just by which team loses, but by how (and how badly) they lose.

Not sure what you meant, exactly. As a Gator fan, I DO think this game is VERY important to Meyer's image among Gator fans. If Florida loses by a score, that's one thing. But if thery go in and look confused or intimidated by their surroundings and lose by 20 because they "give up" at some point in the pressure of the game, I for one will be very unhappy.

I live in Orlando and the Sentinel has a big article in today's paper about Meyer and the Gators and "toughness." Meyer goes on at length about how that will be nedded this Saturday like never before. Road rage - Orlando Sentinel : Top Sports Road rage - Orlando Sentinel : Top Sports

The game that comes to mind for me as the one where Florida really had the look of a shell shocked team was the 2005 Nebraska Fiesta Bowl game.

 

[Lexvol]

Not sure what you meant, exactly. As a Gator fan, I DO think this game is VERY important to Meyer's image among Gator fans. If Florida loses by a score, that's one thing. But if thery go in and look confused or intimidated by their surroundings and lose by 20 because they "give up" at some point in the pressure of the game, I for one will be very unhappy.

I live in Orlando and the Sentinel has a big article in today's paper about Meyer and the Gators and "toughness." Meyer goes on at length about how that will be nedded this Saturday like never before. Road rage - Orlando Sentinel : Top Sports Road rage - Orlando Sentinel : Top Sports

The game that comes to mind for me as the one where Florida really had the look of a shell shocked team was the 2005 Nebraska Fiesta Bowl game.

The national media will be very quick to put Meyer's road record under the microscope. They are already at it to some extent. I would think this game really means more to Florida than it does to UT in regards to preseason expectations.

 

[no1g8r]

I'm really laughing because, in typical Florida fashion, it's totally inaccurate. Miami and UF played in the '01 Sugar Bowl after the '00 season. Given how UF stole the game in '00, I can see how they would remember it as a loss.

I shouldn't be trying to post while writing a capital paper for work. Not only did I make this mistake on the board, I also wrote something in the capital paper about not getting any work done until next week. Not good hmy:

So I need to focus and put the capital paper aside.

Florida definitely stunk up that '01 Sugar Bowl - no doubt about it. But I've been given advice to quit discussing the UF-Miami series.

As far as the 2000 UF-UT game, that game was won fair and square. The refs said so. It's considered unsportsmanlike to argue with the refs. :wink2:

Your revenge came in the 2004 game, so shouldn't we all be willing to call it even on that score?

 

[no1g8r]

Not sure what you meant, exactly. As a Gator fan, I DO think this game is VERY important to Meyer's image among Gator fans. If Florida loses by a score, that's one thing. But if thery go in and look confused or intimidated by their surroundings and lose by 20 because they "give up" at some point in the pressure of the game, I for one will be very unhappy.

I live in Orlando and the Sentinel has a big article in today's paper about Meyer and the Gators and "toughness." Meyer goes on at length about how that will be nedded this Saturday like never before. Road rage - Orlando Sentinel : Top Sports Road rage - Orlando Sentinel : Top Sports

The game that comes to mind for me as the one where Florida really had the look of a shell shocked team was the 2005 Nebraska Fiesta Bowl game.

We're on the same page. That's why I wrote that the intensity of the scrutiny would be based as much on HOW the losing team loses (whichever team it is) than on the loss itself.

Yes, UF looked shell-shocked in the 2005 Nebraska game for the NC. But even more recently, UF looked lost in last year's game in Tuscaloosa. Meyer has done a few things to mitigate that, but I agree that getting blown out on the road would put people back in that post-Bama game mindset.

 

[lawgator1]

We're on the same page. That's why I wrote that the intensity of the scrutiny would be based as much on HOW the losing team loses (whichever team it is) than on the loss itself.

Yes, UF looked shell-shocked in the 2005 Nebraska game for the NC. But even more recently, UF looked lost in last year's game in Tuscaloosa. Meyer has done a few things to mitigate that, but I agree that getting blown out on the road would put people back in that post-Bama game mindset.

Yep. Like I say, if we get outplayed or outhustled, so be it. but if we let the crowd affect us to the point that the team plays poorly, then that is not acceptable. Way I look at it is that I am certain that there will be some plays where we can't call an audible or where we have some false starts because of the crowd. That's just a fact of life on the road in the SEC. But I do not want to see Florida plyers backing down or letting UT folks jabber at them without then laying a massive smack down on them in the next series.

no1gaotr. remember how FSU used to come in and stomp of the other team's insiginia at start of game? I don't want us to do that because it causes stupid fights, but I do want us to have that mentality. Got to go in respecting your opponent but also expecting to win and to make a statement that we are not intimidated by the crowd or the Vols.