Daily Dose of Delusion, Part Deux

#101
#101
lawgator1 said:
So you have one more win over a sample of three years? And form that you want to extrapolate that one program is in "worse shape" than the other? Weak, dude. I mean, beyond weak.
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The records were shown to show that while UT had one drop off season (I do not call back to back 10-win seasons down, by any standard) and yet they still have a better record than UF in the same period (since Spurrier departed.) If UT loses 5 games this year, then you have an argument that both programs are in the same place. However, Florida lost 5 games for 3 straight years, UT has not done that since 1980!
 
#103
#103
lawgator1 said:
No, but you lost 6 last year and I'm pleased to say we haven't done that in quite some time.
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I would rather go 10-3, 10-3, 5-6, 10+ wins, then go 8-5, 8-5, 8-5, 9-3, 8-5 (even if Florida beats UT, you guys still have to face LSU, Auburn, UGA, and FSU...then win your bowl game.) One of the happiest days of my life, with regards to college football, was the day Urban Meyer signed with Florida instead of ND. Your fan base really should have demanded a coach that had experience at a big time school (even if it was as a coordinator) before taking the head honcho from the Mountain West...
 
#104
#104
therealUT said:
I would rather go 10-3, 10-3, 5-6, 10+ wins, then go 8-5, 8-5, 8-5, 9-3, 8-5 (even if Florida beats UT, you guys still have to face LSU, Auburn, UGA, and FSU...then win your bowl game.) One of the happiest days of my life, with regards to college football, was the day Urban Meyer signed with Florida instead of ND. Your fan base really should have demanded a coach that had experience at a big time school (even if it was as a coordinator) before taking the head honcho from the Mountain West...
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Well, no one's perfect.
 
#105
#105
lawgator1 said:
Well, no one's perfect.
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In your opinion, what do you see as Florida's record at the end of the year?

I really do believe that Florida will win 8 and lose 4 in the regular season (UT, LSU, Aub., FSU.) I feel lucky that UT does not have to play Auburn this year, and I think we will lose to LSU twice, before going on to our bowl game with a record of 11-2.
 
#106
#106
therealUT said:
In your opinion, what do you see as Florida's record at the end of the year?

I really do believe that Florida will win 8 and lose 4 in the regular season (UT, LSU, Aub., FSU.) I feel lucky that UT does not have to play Auburn this year, and I think we will lose to LSU twice, before going on to our bowl game with a record of 11-2.
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Anywhere between 8-4 and 11-1 seems possible to me and knowing what I know right now I'd say the odds of 8-4 are about the same as 11-1.

As to your picks on tough games for UF, right now you have to give Florida the edge over FSU, that much is for sure. As long as they keep Jeff Bowden as their offensive coordinator (and they probably won't change at this point) then Florida should romp this year. But that game is so far off you don't know what will happen in terms of injuries or improvement in certain areas for both teams.

The LSU game is intriguing, but we get them at home and I like our chances there.

The on-the-road games at UT and Auburn are obviously critical. If Florida can win this Saturday, that opens things up quite a bit and would suggest to me that Florida can compete at Jordan-Haire.

I just don't know. So much of the season hinges I think on Saturday night. If we lose by a little, we can recover. If we let the place get to us and we lose our swagger, it could be a long year. If we win, and prove we have returned to the point where Florida has a good team top to bottom, then I'm very optimistic.

HUGE game.
 
#107
#107
lawgator1 said:
Anywhere between 8-4 and 11-1 seems possible to me and knowing what I know right now I'd say the odds of 8-4 are about the same as 11-1.

As to your picks on tough games for UF, right now you have to give Florida the edge over FSU, that much is for sure. As long as they keep Jeff Bowden as their offensive coordinator (and they probably won't change at this point) then Florida should romp this year. But that game is so far off you don't know what will happen in terms of injuries or improvement in certain areas for both teams.

The LSU game is intriguing, but we get them at home and I like our chances there.

The on-the-road games at UT and Auburn are obviously critical. If Florida can win this Saturday, that opens things up quite a bit and would suggest to me that Florida can compete at Jordan-Haire.

I just don't know. So much of the season hinges I think on Saturday night. If we lose by a little, we can recover. If we let the place get to us and we lose our swagger, it could be a long year. If we win, and prove we have returned to the point where Florida has a good team top to bottom, then I'm very optimistic.

HUGE game.
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What is Florida's record in the last 15 years against FSU?
 
#109
#109
hatvol96 said:
What is Florida's record in the last 15 years against FSU?
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I'm not sure, but are you implying that FSU has been as good over the past 3 or 4 years as they were through much of the 90's? Heck, Ron Zook beat FSU at FSU when Ron was a lame duck coach at UF and FSU was inaugurating their stadium as "Bobby Bowden Field". And FSU stunk it up against UF the following year as well (when you would imagine they had revenge on their minds).

You simply can't argue that the FSU of today is anywhere close to the FSU of 10-15 years ago. Which makes that irrelevant when considering the possible outcome of the UF-FSU game this year.

I agree with LG's assessment of somewhere between 8-4 and 11-1, with the probability curve being a bell curve (thus 10-2 or 9-3 being even more likely).

I also agree that a lot hinges on this game, when it comes to assessing UF's chances in big games and road games for the rest of this year. A decent showing, even if UF loses, does not bode poorly. An intimidated showing by UF this weekend foreshadows a shift in that bell curve's probability peak being closer to 8-4.
 
#110
#110
no1g8r said:
I'm not sure, but are you implying that FSU has been as good over the past 3 or 4 years as they were through much of the 90's? Heck, Ron Zook beat FSU at FSU when Ron was a lame duck coach at UF and FSU was inaugurating their stadium as "Bobby Bowden Field". And FSU stunk it up against UF the following year as well (when you would imagine they had revenge on their minds).

You simply can't argue that the FSU of today is anywhere close to the FSU of 10-15 years ago. Which makes that irrelevant when considering the possible outcome of the UF-FSU game this year.

I agree with LG's assessment of somewhere between 8-4 and 11-1, with the probability curve being a bell curve (thus 10-2 or 9-3 being even more likely).

I also agree that a lot hinges on this game, when it comes to assessing UF's chances in big games and road games for the rest of this year. A decent showing, even if UF loses, does not bode poorly. An intimidated showing by UF this weekend foreshadows a shift in that bell curve's probability peak being closer to 8-4.
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No. I'm simply saying it's insane to say you "clearly" have the advantage over a team you haven't had great success against at any point in the last two decades.
 
#112
#112
The past 3 years UF has clearly outplayed FSU. 2003 FSU won a game that every unbiased observer (and many biased against UF as well) agreed that the refs robbed UF (the "swindle in the swamp").

The 2006 edition of the Florida State team more closely resembles the teams of 2004 and 2005 than any FSU team from the 90's.

That's enough to give a "clear edge" at this juncture of the season, as if the game were being played against FSU this weekend.

But a lot can happen between now and then, so it's too early to pronounce any game as "clear" 10 games in advance.
 
#114
#114
My only prediction is that you'll have to watch all 4 quarters to know who the winner is. It should be an exciting game. I can't decide who has the edge so I went with UF in the Amazon gift card contest and UT in the weekly pick-'ems.

GO VOLS!!
 
#115
#115
i think LG needs a dose of something...and after reading this thread, i need a dose of Jack Daniels....jeeez.
 
#116
#116
OK, I don't know where I have been the past few days....I'm on leave:rock: . So I'm not foolong around with 11 pages of LG's mumbo jumbo. But isn't crissy a senior this year?? I think so. So he has over 8,000 career yards hmmm. If he has over 3,000 passing yards this year. Give him the heistman and MNC now.
 

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#117
#117
hatvol96 said:
So, in 2008 Miami becomes the preeminent program in college football? If we're doing it in 25 year increments, their resume will out strip everyone starting in '08.
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Um . . . no. Think you misunderstood. The whole point was that those schools are on a different level when it comes to tradition. There's no magic formula or minimum years, it's just that they are lacking in tradition when compared to the others.
 
#118
#118
GenNeyland9 said:
Um . . . no. Think you misunderstood. The whole point was that those schools are on a different level when it comes to tradition. There's no magic formula or minimum years, it's just that they are lacking in tradition when compared to the others.
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5 National Championships=Plenty of tradition.
 
#119
#119
no1g8r said:
In defense of Leak, when these statements were made he was being recruited by Steve Spurrier. Leak's chances of achieving those aspirations we pretty decent prior to Spurrier's departure. I don't think that anyone thought that UF was likely to win a NC anytime soon starting with right after Zook was hired. In Leak's 4 years at UF, this is the first year where he's played in the same offensive system, under the same offensive coordinator, 2 years in a row.

He's done pretty well under those circumstances, and I'm sure that Leak himself would be the first to tell you that he's disappointed that goals haven't been achieved over the past 3 years. Vols fans think their guys are hungry - try going through what UF's offense has been through the past 4 years and see if you think UF players have a reason to be even hungrier.

Not that "hungry" wins the game. Skill, speed, toughness, and determination win this game. I don't think there's a shortage of that on either side - which should make for a great game!
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pretty well against Southern Miss. and UCF- we'll see when he has to play a real team
 
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