Danny White Lobby! Why UT being punished/discredited?

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bpalmer28 said:
As a Mississippi native, I confirm. The egg bowl is weird. However, MSU this year appears to have one of the worst teams in SEC history. I won't be holding my breath!
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They got Lebby though and he always figures out a way to attack other teams’ defenses. Kinda hoping he gets fired after next year so he can reunite with Heupel 🤞🏼
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama has not played a team that is currently below .500. UT has only played two teams that are currently above .500.

The head-to-head comparison doesn't stick because of both team's results against UGA. So all that can be done is look at the entire body of work. It sucks that the factor that is weighing down UT is the one factor over which they have no control.
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Here’s an interesting hypothetical. You guys get to the SEC title game and lose to Texas. You’re 10-3. Does the committee punish you for the 3rd loss, and if you’re in with 3 losses, should a team at 2 losses that beat you get in ahead of you in the seeding process?
 
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madbamahater said:
The Vols first loss came early in the season, on October 5th on the road. Fayetteville is traditionally a tough place to play and history supports this.

The Vols just lost a road game to arguably a national championship caliber team, in the current toughest place to play in the country. UGA has not lost a home game in 5 years. Let that sink in, 5 years. The Vols, despite how poorly they played in the trenches, was still in the game with about 5 minutes to go. Georgia closed the game out, but until very late in the game, it was anyone's game.

Why, at 8-2 and factoring in these important factors, is Tennessee ranked so low? Why are they considered the bubble playoff team? There needs to be a major push for Tennessee's case and stand up to the corruptness that is becoming the playoff committee.

There is no way to justify Alabama's higher ranking, when they lost to Tennessee and sitting with the same 2 loss record.

Why is Alabama not being negatively impacted by their losses to Vanderbilt and Tennessee? If voters think Tennessee is not as good as Alabama, but Alabama lost to this inferior opponent, how are they being rewarded over said opponent?
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We beat Bama, Bama beats GA, Ga beats UT. All with 2 losses which one are you picking?
 
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madbamahater said:
The Vols first loss came early in the season, on October 5th on the road. Fayetteville is traditionally a tough place to play and history supports this.

The Vols just lost a road game to arguably a national championship caliber team, in the current toughest place to play in the country. UGA has not lost a home game in 5 years. Let that sink in, 5 years. The Vols, despite how poorly they played in the trenches, was still in the game with about 5 minutes to go. Georgia closed the game out, but until very late in the game, it was anyone's game.

Why, at 8-2 and factoring in these important factors, is Tennessee ranked so low? Why are they considered the bubble playoff team? There needs to be a major push for Tennessee's case and stand up to the corruptness that is becoming the playoff committee.

There is no way to justify Alabama's higher ranking, when they lost to Tennessee and sitting with the same 2 loss record.

Why is Alabama not being negatively impacted by their losses to Vanderbilt and Tennessee? If voters think Tennessee is not as good as Alabama, but Alabama lost to this inferior opponent, how are they being rewarded over said opponent?
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Take off the orange glasses. Yeah we beat Bama, but they beat Georgia who just beat us.

In the AP Poll, Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss are ranked above us with the same 8-2 record. We have the most recent loss. Two of the teams above us (Bama & Ole Miss) have beaten the team that just beat us. The ranking are not bias, most of our fans are.

Everyone above them only has 1 loss or is undefeated.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Here’s an interesting hypothetical. You guys get to the SEC title game and lose to Texas. You’re 10-3. Does the committee punish you for the 3rd loss, and if you’re in with 3 losses, should a team at 2 losses that beat you get in ahead of you in the seeding process?
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With Notre Dame in the picture is simple. The SEC and Big 10 are vying for 6 spots to fill.

Oregon
Ohio St
Indiana
Penn St

Texas
Bama
Ga
Miss
UT

This is the dilemma at the moment. We need Notre Dame out of the picture. We also need ACC and Big 12 to only have 1 team!
This is our path at the moment.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama has not played a team that is currently below .500. UT has only played two teams that are currently above .500.

The head-to-head comparison doesn't stick because of both team's results against UGA. So all that can be done is look at the entire body of work. It sucks that the factor that is weighing down UT is the one factor over which they have no control.
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Also hoping O. State beats Ind. and with their pathetic schedule 1 loss eliminates them. The committee loves O. St so they will not be eliminated with a loss and Ind would stay in the picture. Not good for Vols.
 
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I get what you are saying but if it comes down to those 2 teams with identical records, head to head must be the number one tie breaker period!!! I know strength of schedule counts but that should not be a factor when one team beats the other one head to head.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
With Notre Dame in the picture is simple. The SEC and Big 10 are vying for 6 spots to fill.

Oregon
Ohio St
Indiana
Penn St

Texas
Bama
Ga
Miss
UT

This is the dilemma at the moment. We need Notre Dame out of the picture. We also need ACC and Big 12 to only have 1 team!
This is our path at the moment.
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Minnesota beating Penn St is a possibility. Ohio State needs to boat race Indiana. Texas and Texas A&M should be a playoff game if we’re being honest. That would be 3 losses for aTm if they lose, 2nd loss at home. If Texas loses at aTm they will not have any quality wins. I don’t see Notre Dame losing to Army, but that game with USC is possible.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
You can debate it all day but the playoff committee sees Bama with a better win resume than Vols. They have wins over GA-LSU. Vols just have 1 statement win. I don't think any of that 'toughest place to play' really figures in for the playoff committee. Its all about who have you beat - who have you lost to.
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Lsu isn’t a good win anymore
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama has not played a team that is currently below .500. UT has only played two teams that are currently above .500.

The head-to-head comparison doesn't stick because of both team's results against UGA. So all that can be done is look at the entire body of work. It sucks that the factor that is weighing down UT is the one factor over which they have no control.
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The head to head definitely does stick when we beat them
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama has not played a team that is currently below .500. UT has only played two teams that are currently above .500.

The head-to-head comparison doesn't stick because of both team's results against UGA. So all that can be done is look at the entire body of work. It sucks that the factor that is weighing down UT is the one factor over which they have no control.
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This is the answer folks. We aren't getting in over Alabama unless they lose to Auburn and it's not because of any bias.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Minnesota beating Penn St is a possibility. Ohio State needs to boat race Indiana. Texas and Texas A&M should be a playoff game if we’re being honest. That would be 3 losses for aTm if they lose, 2nd loss at home. If Texas loses at aTm they will not have any quality wins. I don’t see Notre Dame losing to Army, but that game with USC is possible.
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A&M win over Texas puts 2 more 2 loss team in the conversation
 
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Tman44 said:
The loss at Arkansas absolutely killed our chances.
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We had to have a lot of help in '98 so it's not impossible. Not saying we're going to win a natty, but making the playoffs is still possible. We need a lot of games to go our way. If it's close, we'll get passed over.
 
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HighRockvol said:
The head to head definitely does stick when we beat them
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In that world, UGA's head-to-head against us sticks and Alabama's head-to-head against UGA sticks and Ole Miss's head-to-head against UGA sticks. But that isn't' the world we live in (currently) because there isn't room for all 4 team to get in. So you move on to the other selection criteria which is strength of schedule and results against common opponents. Using those criteria we don't measure up as well as the others. It sucks but it is what it is. We need Ole Miss to lose or something has to happen that would allow the SEC to get 5 teams in.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama has not played a team that is currently below .500. UT has only played two teams that are currently above .500.

The head-to-head comparison doesn't stick because of both team's results against UGA. So all that can be done is look at the entire body of work. It sucks that the factor that is weighing down UT is the one factor over which they have no control.
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Exactly. Fans need to try and understand this and not forget that were it not for our annual stinker vs Arky, we wouldn't be in this position. At the end of the day, no matter how this goes, UT put itself in this spot. One would think they'd learn, but in year 4, I guess that's just not going to happen under Heupel.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
A&M win over Texas puts 2 more 2 loss team in the conversation
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It does, but Texas best win would be Vandy. They looked a helluva lot worse at home vs UGA than we did on the road. I don’t know how much the Texas brand would weigh in on that, but a 2 loss Texas team has a terrible resume.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Take off the orange glasses. Yeah we beat Bama, but they beat Georgia who just beat us.

In the AP Poll, Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss are ranked above us with the same 8-2 record. We have the most recent loss. Two of the teams above us (Bama & Ole Miss) have beaten the team that just beat us. The ranking are not bias, most of our fans are.

Everyone above them only has 1 loss or is undefeated.
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A home win is very different than a road loss. Let's be serious. Both of our losses were on the road.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
You can debate it all day but the playoff committee sees Bama with a better win resume than Vols. They have wins over GA-LSU. Vols just have 1 statement win. I don't think any of that 'toughest place to play' really figures in for the playoff committee. Its all about who have you beat - who have you lost to.
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I would think the LSU game would lose some of it's luster. They are not a powerhouse team. And dropping out of the top 25, that game shouldn't carry much weight at all for 'bama.
 
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madbamahater said:
The Vols first loss came early in the season, on October 5th on the road. Fayetteville is traditionally a tough place to play and history supports this.

The Vols just lost a road game to arguably a national championship caliber team, in the current toughest place to play in the country. UGA has not lost a home game in 5 years. Let that sink in, 5 years. The Vols, despite how poorly they played in the trenches, was still in the game with about 5 minutes to go. Georgia closed the game out, but until very late in the game, it was anyone's game.

Why, at 8-2 and factoring in these important factors, is Tennessee ranked so low? Why are they considered the bubble playoff team? There needs to be a major push for Tennessee's case and stand up to the corruptness that is becoming the playoff committee.

There is no way to justify Alabama's higher ranking, when they lost to Tennessee and sitting with the same 2 loss record.

Why is Alabama not being negatively impacted by their losses to Vanderbilt and Tennessee? If voters think Tennessee is not as good as Alabama, but Alabama lost to this inferior opponent, how are they being rewarded over said opponent?
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Do you not understand how rankings work? it is not just who you lost to its WHEN... Alabama hasn't lost recently....so of course they would rise through the rankings. An early loss is easy to recover from. Late losses harder. We dropped because we just lost....We will rise as we get more wins. Second Because of how the season has turned out the Vandy loss is not as bad a loss as the Arkansas loss and their Georgia win is better than our Bama win. None of it matters in the grand scheme as long as we win out and remain in the top 11. End of day Bama being ahead of us determines is which one hosts a first-round game and there is a good chance both will depending on what happens in other conferences. Indiana/OSU play each other. Texas/A&M play each other, Notre Dame has to play Army. Then the conference championships will shake things up more. Over the next 3-4 weeks the rankings at the top will change significantly.

By your logic Notre Dame (NIU loss) shouldn't be ranked in the top 10 but they are... because that's how polls work they aren't fair that's why there is the CFP poll which takes such things into account. Bama has a higher SoR and SoS than UT. Meaning they have played and beat better teams than we have. Our remaining SoS is much lower than what Bama has left so unless they take an L catching up wont be easy. The reason ND is high even though they probably have the worst loss of any top 25 team this year is it happened early and they have boat-raced everyone else since. At the same time, there is a reason why teams like BYU, Pitt, Iowa State, and such drop like rocks when they take an L is because their SoS is so weak. If Indiana loses to OSU they will drop like a rock. When SEC teams lose to SEC teams they usually don't drop so far. Teams like Indiana, ND, SMU, BYU, and Miami can't afford another L their SoS is so low right now an L would kill them. Indiana would likely drop out of the top 12 if they lose to OSU. The other teams would definitely be out of the playoffs with an L. RIght now UT has the number 10 SoR if we win out it is not likely for us to finish lower than 9th. I know folks hate math but if you want to follow college football going forward some math skills are gonna come in handy. right now this is your best friend as far as cheat sheets go 2024 Resume College Football Power Index - ESPN This is basically what is used to calculate the final polls. SoR/SoS and head to heads. The head to heads don't really come into play until the very end. And SoS/SoR change week to week depending on what past and future opponents do. Want UT to do well then we want every past opponent to ROFLstomp everyone they have left on their schedule.

We need NC State to beat UNC and GT
Kent State to beat... anyone
Oklahoma is a lost cause but if they can sneak up on LSU or Bama that would be nice but them beating Bama makes our best win look worse.
We need Arkansas to beat LA Tech and Missou
most important if Florida can knock off Ole Miss and finish the job on FSU that would help us more than anything else.
We also want Indiana to lose to OSU and all hell to break loose in conference championship games.

There is a weird world where we win out and don't make the playoffs but it would take some fairly wild stuff to happen. like Indiana Beating OSU and then beating Oregon in the Big 10 champ game


TLDR Bama being ranked ahead of us in polls at this moment is no big conspiracy its how polls work. late season losses always hurt worse than early ones.
 
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