Danny White Lobby! Why UT being punished/discredited?

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#52
The “Arkansas is a tough place to play” stuff is an excuse. We didn’t take care of our business - and we don’t have a recent track record of winning and championship contention to bolster our case, especially against the Bummers. In fact, our recent performance narrative is that we don’t show up for big games with championship implications on the line, especially on the road.

And against Georgia this past weekend, we did it again. Losing at Georgia isn’t necessarily shameful because they are a very good team. However, that loss combined with total choke job against a 5-5 Arkansas earlier in the season is a fairly damning indictment.

The Tennessee program is in better shape than at any other time since the early 2000s, but our proven ceiling right now is 8-9 wins (with the occasional 10 win every so often) . . . AND being in the hunt but never a real contender for a championship. I hope Heupel can change that.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I’m still failing to see how UK beating Ole Miss at home also didn’t do us a solid. Easily the worst the loss of any team not named Notre Dame that is still in the CFP conversation.
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Well I hate to agree with Kirby Smart, but he was right post game. Who the hell knows what the committee wants, it changes weekly.
 
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CAVPUT said:
We had to have a lot of help in '98 so it's not impossible. Not saying we're going to win a natty, but making the playoffs is still possible. We need a lot of games to go our way. If it's close, we'll get passed over.
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I get your point. I'm not trying to be a nega-Vol, just realistic here. We did not look good in the second half against UGA, at all. The team must really pick it up to have any success (at least 1 win) in the CFP.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Here’s an interesting hypothetical. You guys get to the SEC title game and lose to Texas. You’re 10-3. Does the committee punish you for the 3rd loss, and if you’re in with 3 losses, should a team at 2 losses that beat you get in ahead of you in the seeding process?
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I don't know and don't care. If Bama makes the SECCG then they need to treat it as the first round of the CFP.
 
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UT97Vol said:
I'm really interested to see what the committee does with Texas if they lose to A&M. We definitely have a better case and better SOS than they do. So if both of us are 10-2, I feel like Tenn should get the spot over them. I think it a) depends on how far they drop us tonight and b) how far would they be willing to penalize Texas if they lost? They would probably need to fall at least nine places even though they're losing to the potential SEC champion.
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TEX will be the easiest comparison for the committee since we both play 7 of the same SEC teams. The problem is with both of us having played 5 common opponents so far, TEX has a scoring differential of +80 while the Vols only have +16. The UGA game is the only game we have a better scoring differential and it’s only by 1 point. Here are the scoring differentials by opponent when comparing TEX to UT.
MSU +3
OU +21
UGA -1
UF +26
AR +15
 
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madbamahater said:
The Vols first loss came early in the season, on October 5th on the road. Fayetteville is traditionally a tough place to play and history supports this.

The Vols just lost a road game to arguably a national championship caliber team, in the current toughest place to play in the country. UGA has not lost a home game in 5 years. Let that sink in, 5 years. The Vols, despite how poorly they played in the trenches, was still in the game with about 5 minutes to go. Georgia closed the game out, but until very late in the game, it was anyone's game.

Why, at 8-2 and factoring in these important factors, is Tennessee ranked so low? Why are they considered the bubble playoff team? There needs to be a major push for Tennessee's case and stand up to the corruptness that is becoming the playoff committee.

There is no way to justify Alabama's higher ranking, when they lost to Tennessee and sitting with the same 2 loss record.

Why is Alabama not being negatively impacted by their losses to Vanderbilt and Tennessee? If voters think Tennessee is not as good as Alabama, but Alabama lost to this inferior opponent, how are they being rewarded over said opponent?
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Nobody, with a straight face, can argue with this !!!
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Who are your 12 teams then? It's one thing to say we should be in...who gets left out?

G5, ND, ACC, Big12 are 4 of the 12...leaves 8. Indiana, OhSt, PennSt, Oregon are pretty much locks...who are the 4 SEC teams? Texas, Ga, then probably comes down to 3 teams for 2 spots Bama, TN Ole Miss. That's a close call, and certainly not evidence of corruption.

But that is if season ended today...there will be upsets. There always are.
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Indiana’s SOS is 106, that’s G5 level bad. If they lose to OSU, especially bad (20+) they should unequivocally be done. If you can’t stay within 20 of the one playoff caliber team on your schedule you don’t deserve a shot at a 2nd playoff caliber team.

So for tonight, I’m ok with UT being behind IU (I’m not, but I get the committee’s thinking even if I disagree), but next week if they’re 10-1 there’s no excuse for them to still be in there.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama has not played a team that is currently below .500. UT has only played two teams that are currently above .500.

The head-to-head comparison doesn't stick because of both team's results against UGA. So all that can be done is look at the entire body of work. It sucks that the factor that is weighing down UT is the one factor over which they have no control.
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You can’t use the multiple .500 teams Bama has played and then use ABOVE .500 for UT. 7 of UT’s 10 opponents are .500 or better while 10 of Bama’s 10 are .500 or better. Yes, Bama has played a tougher schedule (by 2 places) but don’t use selective cutoffs to make your case.
 
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Oklahoma was ranked 15th heading into game with UT. Their season has not been good at all, but at the time they were #15 and that was viewed in real time as a top-notch win for the Vols on the road. It should stand for something
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
You can’t use the multiple .500 teams Bama has played and then use ABOVE .500 for UT. 7 of UT’s 10 opponents are .500 or better while 10 of Bama’s 10 are .500 or better. Yes, Bama has played a tougher schedule (by 2 places) but don’t use selective cutoffs to make your case.
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That hair is not going to split the way you'd like.

UT's FBS opponents have a winning % of .4667. Bama's FBS opponents have a winning % of .6556.
 
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bamawriter said:
I don't know and don't care. If Bama makes the SECCG then they need to treat it as the first round of the CFP.
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I'm interested to see how the CFP will treat this one.

I'm not sure expanding the playoff field negates the precedent they set in 2017. With no undefeated teams, wouldn't a 2 loss Auburn have made it in had they won the SECCG? Would Auburn have made it into a 12 team playoff with 3 losses?
Either way, I think they set the precedent that a conference championship loss can certainly cost you a playoff spot.
 
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I’m in total agreement and wish we could do something about it. We should never have lost Arkansas. and we needed to show up and play against Georgia regardless of the fact that the referees called some really bad calls. When it’s announced that we are the first one out tonight on TV it’s our own fault and we need to just go in there and win the next two games hand and then see what happens in some of the other contests and we’ll see. Maybe we’ll be in the playoffs.

I love the Vols! Go Vols!!
 
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bamawriter said:
That hair is not going to split the way you'd like.

UT's FBS opponents have a winning % of .4667. Bama's FBS opponents have a winning % of .6556.
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That’s fine but that’s not the threshold you used. You chose .500 or better for your team and only over .500 for our team to make your argument look stronger and I called you on it. I admitted the Bama schedule was better so not sure what you’re proving at this point when I’m in agreement; just don’t use cherry picked thresholds to make your point. At the end of the day all your numbers still lead to Bama’s SOS being 2 places better than UT’s.
 
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Each year, every team holds its fate in its own hands. We could have put our playoff hopes to bed with a win at Athens. We didn’t do that and are now looking for excuses why we should get a bid. That’s very close to ” moral win“ territory for me. Not supporting scurrying around like cockroaches with the lights on looking for reasons why we did or did not make the playoffs. Just suck it up and realize we never should have lost that game in Fayetteville, it’s that &$#@ simple.
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
That’s fine but that’s not the threshold you used. You chose .500 or better for your team and only over .500 for our team to make your argument look stronger and I called you on it. I admitted the Bama schedule was better so not sure what you’re proving at this point when I’m in agreement; just don’t use cherry picked thresholds to make your point. At the end of the day all your numbers still lead to Bama’s SOS being 2 places better than UT’s.
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.500 seemed like an easy reference point. If you acknowledge that Bama's SOS is considerably better than UT's, then complaining about my phrasing seems like some serious nit-picking.
 
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