Dave Hart Quotes from Article on TOS

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Fijivol72 said:
I am afraid given his performance at Fl. St. and then Alabama he has no interest in our BB program. I was in Tallahassee for much of his tenure and basketball was and probably still played at the Civic Center. He may not be much but on one thing it is clear he could give a rats a about bb.
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He hired Leonard Hamilton at FSU, who is known to be a great recruiter. I am not sure if he had any involvement at Bama since he wasn't the head AD. But, they hired Grant, who many thought was a great hire. Just turned out to be a disappointment. Not sure that his track record says that he doesn't care.
 
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IMO, This statement is bad for Martin. Why would the AD make such a statement otherwise?
I think Hart has informed Martin and the fan base he is not going to accept mediocrity
 
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SeniorDrill said:
They won't if they don't use it. As long as Cuonzo gets the message, it does not matter what you think! :peace2:
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-First sentence makes no sense.
-Second sentence is somewhat ironic in that it really doesn't matter what either of us think because Cuonzo isn't scouring VolNation for coaching tips.

Lastly, I agree with your opinion that more 1-3-1 could have resulted in different outcomes in a few games. I just don't see the need to beat us all over the head with that opinion. You've made your point.
 
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CAVol said:
Both from a recent article by John Brice on VQ regarding basketball attendance. The article also mentions that season ticket sales have declined since 2008-2009 from 16,645 to 12,024 in Men's Basketball. This would include while Pearl was here.

You can infer what you want from this but it tells me a couple things.

1. If we make the tournament, Cuonzo will be back. If he misses, he will be gone. That's how I see it. Hard to tell the exact way he stated the quote just by reading it, but you would think if we miss the tournament he will be gone. Hart doesn't seem pleased that we could miss it for 3 years in a row. The fact that he explicitly states that post season play means NCAA and not NIT tells me as much.

2. Football is a priority and always will be. There's nothing wrong with that. It is our biggest money maker. To me that means if we do hire a new coach, he will not be spending a ton of money on that new coach. That means we are looking at another CCM type hire if we don't get Pearl. That means guys like Marshall, Howland, and other big names mentioned would most likely be out as I don't see him spending more on a basketball coach than he is on Butch.
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This is inexcusable. Other schools of our stature go out and get big name coaches. We should do the same.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Not sure about 3. Football has be so bad in the last 5 years that he has to get that right (which I believe he has). But, he doesn't want to take a chance messing it up right now. If we were in the middle of the Fulmer years, his attitude toward basketball might be different.
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It might be different if we were in the midst of the Fulmer heyday, but Dickey seemingly didn't care about basketball, and his goals were similar to what Hart's seem to be; simply making the tournament.

If Hart's goals are more than just getting there, then he just missed a solid opportunity to let the fans know it.
 
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My goals for UT men's basketball go beyond just making the tournament, but a more realistic expectation is just making the tournament.
Since the field expanded to 64 (and later 68) teams, we have missed the tournament more often that we have made it. If we start counting with 1997-98, it's better - we have made the field 10 of the last 16 seasons. We were one and done 4/10 times. On a more positive note, we are 4-2 in the second round during this period.
 
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92volalum said:
What more concerning is he never states championships as a perf goal which is sickening.. It means he just wants to be avg at best n bb which means budget coaches.

Pearl will not be back because hart will not allow it. He will not hire someone with more pull with fans n boosters than he has. The same reason we didn't hire a home run name ff coach..btw

Hart wants to be big man on campus and with boosters so he can get more plastic surgery at a discount...
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You mean Hart has had PS! Man he needs to sue that surgeon. :blink:
 
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cncchris33 said:
It might be different if we were in the midst of the Fulmer heyday, but Dickey seemingly didn't care about basketball, and his goals were similar to what Hart's seem to be; simply making the tournament.

If Hart's goals are more than just getting there, then he just missed a solid opportunity to let the fans know it.
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Maybe. I am not sure the difference in money from just making the tournament to going to the Sweet 16. Obviously, your school gets more exposure and thus, maybe more apparel sales. But, I think he is strictly looking at dollars and cents. Making the NCAAT is the goal to create revenue. Just seems like what he is saying.
 
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It should be based on his body of work over the course of his contract since he's been here. It was obvious Hart is not pleased and will take a stronger stance on basketball than many think because he didn't give him an extension but I don't think it will be strong enough for the die hard basketball fans. Sure, the tournament is nice but regardless if we finish 6-0 or 0-6, Martin should not be our coach next season. Playing for a spot in the tournament instead of seeding with this roster is proof enough that he's in over his head.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Martin is defending his job. How ironic is it that the 1-3-1 zone could save it? It is Tennessee's shut down defense. They ran it almost the entire second half against Alabama and shut them down. It then basically disappeared. They ran it 7 of the last 10 minutes and Florida did not score off of it except for 2 free throws. It then disappeared again and basically is still missing! ??????
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You obviously missed the Vandy game where they basically had a layup and alley oop drill against it. Martin doesn't like zone because he doesn't know how to coach it (among other things). It should only be used on occasion. Eventually, a good coaching staff will adjust to it.
 
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet if the Tom Izzo was asked what his goal is for each of his teams it would be to make the tournament. So I'm not so sure its just accepting and/or settling, if your teams are being coached to their potential.

What concerned me was his reference to how close we were each of the last two years. It almost led me to believe even if we don't make it this year, they may give CCM one more year. please let me be wrong
 
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OrangeBalls said:
You obviously missed the Vandy game where they basically had a layup and alley oop drill against it. Martin doesn't like zone because he doesn't know how to coach it (among other things). It should only be used on occasion. Eventually, a good coaching staff will adjust to it.
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BINGO. And why Mizzou went away from the zone is beyond me. It was ridiculous. They could have beat us by 15 plus.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Yea we do....

Do we not attend games? Boycott the team or games. All that does is tell future recruits that they are not supported and the team is not supported.

A little bit different than football, but if you can't bring fans into fill the seats then we know Vol basketball disappears into obscurity.

Catch 22.

Like Dooley I think Martin was brought into the program to settle it down with the NCAA.

Both are not great coaches but they did get some things right with the in recovery period.
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No offense, but I have a different take on it.

I think many UT fans are smarter and more concerned with their sports programs than that. Most cannot take the inevitable downhill slide, because they see it coming well before the UTAD does in some cases. Sports fans today are more informed than ever with all the media outlets and access to viewing. Vols fans are near the top of that curve.

Everybody gave Zo a shot at this despite his boring style because of the looming AA sanctions and mess the UTAD and Pearl left. The attendance stayed pretty high in light of the terrible condition of the national economy. People were losing jobs and houses all over the place for several years. It has been a pretty depressing period, which UT basketball and football made even worse by the hiring of Zo and Dools - who were not qualified for the jobs. That was very obvious before the hires. The UTAD took flyers on those guys because of the athletic budget condition and the general economic environment. You get what you pay for.

So when people stopped going to football games what happened? They made the change. They ended up with a coach that had a stable of ready assistants that hit the ground running and haven't stopped. They recruit as well as anybody in America. They pulled a top 20 class on short notice and now a top 5 - after 4 losing seasons in a row. They sold the Tennessee tradition and family. The attendance increased in their first year despite the condition of the program. Now it will grow by leaps and bounds. It will be helped by an economy that is slowly turning around.

Same in basketball between Buzz and Bruce. Bruce brought the hot sauce as well as the ability to coach less talented rosters to success. The program was the talk of college basketball. He recruited on a national stage. The problems hit, the economy tanked, and the UTAD responded with boring incompetency. If they make the change to the right guy it will be just like Butch and like it was when Bruce followed Buzz. The recruits will come and fans will be back in droves.

So empty seats precede future success and there is no loss in recruiting if the replacement coach is competent.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
You obviously missed the Vandy game where they basically had a layup and alley oop drill against it. Martin doesn't like zone because he doesn't know how to coach it (among other things). It should only be used on occasion. Eventually, a good coaching staff will adjust to it.
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Just went back and watched. Vandy had one alley oop in two and a half minutes. That's it!
 
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OrangeBalls said:
You obviously missed the Vandy game where they basically had a layup and alley oop drill against it. Martin doesn't like zone because he doesn't know how to coach it (among other things). It should only be used on occasion. Eventually, a good coaching staff will adjust to it.
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They ran the 1-2-2 for two minutes. Vandy scored once in two and a half against the 1-3-1. What gets me is watching the opposing team struggle to get the ball past the length. I will bet you that Tennessee had more turnovers while they ran the 1-3-1 than they have in any other stretch of ball games with the same time total.
 
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golfballs said:
This is inexcusable. Other schools of our stature go out and get big name coaches. We should do the same.
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I agree. I just don't think Hart will spend more on a bball coach than a football coach. If he does I will be pleasantly surprised.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
I am afraid given his performance at Fl. St. and then Alabama he has no interest in our BB program. I was in Tallahassee for much of his tenure and basketball was and probably still played at the Civic Center. He may not be much but on one thing it is clear he could give a rats a about bb.
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That's just not true. His 2 hires at the time in basketball were thought to be Homerun hires and statement hire. Now neither has worked out as planned, but they've been better than what we've got.

Leonard Hamilton, and more so Anthony Grant were hot names at the times they were hired.
 
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92volalum said:
What more concerning is he never states championships as a perf goal which is sickening.. It means he just wants to be avg at best n bb which means budget coaches.

Pearl will not be back because hart will not allow it. He will not hire someone with more pull with fans n boosters than he has. The same reason we didn't hire a home run name ff coach..btw

Hart wants to be big man on campus and with boosters so he can get more plastic surgery at a discount...
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So tell me, sir, in light of our recent consensus Top 5 class signing, who the hell else would you have rather hired for football?!
 
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utvolpj said:
seems to me the bring back Bruce crowd would be happy with championships not being on the list of qualifications
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And you would think fans of Tennessee would show a little more appreciation to the guy that got them the closest. But hey, keep living in that glass house and wrap yourself in that warm blanket that is the thought their are better applicants that we would get.
 
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utvolpj said:
seems to me the bring back Bruce crowd would be happy with championships not being on the list of qualifications
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Lucky for Calipari that his bosses kept GIVING HIM A PASS until that breakthrough two seasons ago...:huh:
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Vols4us said:
No offense, but I have a different take on it.

I think many UT fans are smarter and more concerned with their sports programs than that. Most cannot take the inevitable downhill slide, because they see it coming well before the UTAD does in some cases. Sports fans today are more informed than ever with all the media outlets and access to viewing. Vols fans are near the top of that curve.

Everybody gave Zo a shot at this despite his boring style because of the looming AA sanctions and mess the UTAD and Pearl left. The attendance stayed pretty high in light of the terrible condition of the national economy. People were losing jobs and houses all over the place for several years. It has been a pretty depressing period, which UT basketball and football made even worse by the hiring of Zo and Dools - who were not qualified for the jobs. That was very obvious before the hires. The UTAD took flyers on those guys because of the athletic budget condition and the general economic environment. You get what you pay for.

So when people stopped going to football games what happened? They made the change. They ended up with a coach that had a stable of ready assistants that hit the ground running and haven't stopped. They recruit as well as anybody in America. They pulled a top 20 class on short notice and now a top 5 - after 4 losing seasons in a row. They sold the Tennessee tradition and family. The attendance increased in their first year despite the condition of the program. Now it will grow by leaps and bounds. It will be helped by an economy that is slowly turning around.

Same in basketball between Buzz and Bruce. Bruce brought the hot sauce as well as the ability to coach less talented rosters to success. The program was the talk of college basketball. He recruited on a national stage. The problems hit, the economy tanked, and the UTAD responded with boring incompetency. If they make the change to the right guy it will be just like Butch and like it was when Bruce followed Buzz. The recruits will come and fans will be back in droves.

So empty seats precede future success and there is no loss in recruiting if the replacement coach is competent.
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Have you signed the petition yet?

Bruce is going to be a tough act to follow. Why not hire him back. He engaged with the most important element in the process, the fans. Plus he produced a decent product on the court. Right guy at the right time. Did he blow it. Yea he did, but he served his time. Put him on a short leash and hire him.

Don't you think it is time that the Administration and the AD developed some balls and hire him back versus letting their pride step into the fold.

We shouldn't have to boycott a single game to get this point across.

If our losses to below caliber teams and our NIT showings are not indicators to the AD and Administrators then they will never get it.
 
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