DC Black Hawk vs Plane crash, Philly Crash. Malicious, or incompotence?

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gcbvol said:
I don’t think you understand what a DEI hire necessarily is. It could be bad if only trying to fill a role with an unqualified person meeting certain criteria. However, if a company's goal is to get a pool of qualified candidates from multiple groups for review, it isn't. The problem here is you guys have no experience with quality DEI programs or an understanding of what they're about.
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I think what we have is most reasonable people look at "equality" and think of it as a matter of opportunity and consider it a good thing. OTOH "equity" seems to be concerned with outcomes, even if they need to be forced. Is that more applicable in some cases than others? Probably, but there's no getting around those two words, similar as they may be, do not have the same definition and people are pretty keen on noting that being the case.
 
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gcbvol said:
I don’t think you understand what a DEI hire necessarily is. It could be bad if only trying to fill a role with an unqualified person meeting certain criteria. However, if a company's goal is to get a pool of qualified candidates from multiple groups for review, it isn't. The problem here is you guys have no experience with quality DEI programs or an understanding of what they're about.
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The bold is what DEI is. That's why it's mocked as Didn't Earn It.

There is no such thing as a "Quality DEI Program". They're all trash and need to be abolished.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
I did not watch it entirely and did not see him jump to a conclusion. Must have missed that part and have not seen it on the news. I did see the segment on the DEI stuff and thought that was inappropriate timing-wise, but on the other hand a lot of incompetence has been introduced into government. Still think it was not the thing or time to discuss until more is known for certain.
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He did blame the crash on DEI initiatives and Democrats.


^^^^ The Wall Street Journal ^^^^
 
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hndog609 said:
I think what we have is most reasonable people look at "equality" and think of it as a matter of opportunity and consider it a good thing. OTOH "equity" seems to be concerned with outcomes, even if they need to be forced. Is that more applicable in some cases than others? Probably, but there's no getting around those two words, similar as they may be, do not have the same definition and people are pretty keen on noting that being the case.
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Good point. Regarding equity, I will say at my company part of this program was ensuring compensation was equitable for folks in the same roles. The company performed regular evaluations, and would make adjustments to base pay where there were issues found. I, a white man, benefitted from one of these salary adjustments. My only point is there is more context and nuance required when talking about these programs.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He did blame the crash on DEI initiatives and Democrats.


^^^^ The Wall Street Journal ^^^^
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He shouldn’t have mentioned it… Wasnt the time or place. However there was 1000 air traffic controller applicants that passed their tests and were rejected because the class was “too white” theres currently a lawsuit over it. It started during the Obama admin wanting to diversify the FAA more. As a result there’s been a major shortage of air traffic controllers. There was a record number of what they call “close calls” during the Biden admin

This crash isn’t a result of “DEI” but there’s definitely a problem that needs to be fixed and addressed
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
So, whether or not any members of the flight crews, or air traffic control had actually been hired through a DEI initiative is irrelevant?
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That's not what he said. And the problem is that he's not finding out before making the comment.

By that logic every car accident, every slip and fall, every accident of any kind COULD be "caused" by DEI because SOMEONE might be black.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's not what he said. And the problem is that he's not finding out before making the comment.

By that logic every car accident, every slip and fall, every accident of any kind COULD be "caused" by DEI because SOMEONE might be black.
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Right. I'm agreeing that it's crazy. Trump is concerned that his hiring freeze will be blamed for a personnel shortage in the air traffic control tower at Reagan. When facing such things, Trump will always go on offense.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Charlie Kirk starts by basically admitting that we don't yet know whether or not anyone involved in this tragedy was hired through a DEI initiative, but then spends the rest of the message railing against DEI initiatives, rather than ever saying a word about the loss of life in this tragedy.

It is starting to look like Donald Trump is concerned that he might be blamed for a personnel shortage in air traffic control, resulting from his hiring freeze, and his focus on DEI today has been a strategy of playing defense with a good offense.

The amount of time that Trump has already devoted to playing the blame game today, while bodies are still being recovered from the Potomac River is a disgrace.
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You don't find the narrative that a hiring freeze just days old resulted in this crash in the ballpark with Trump's idiotic comments today?

I think it's a matter of using a tragedy to promote a preferred policy. He did it in very, very poor taste. Point being the left often capitalizes on tragedy to support agendas. It's politics, that game is old and the Democrats are very well versed.
 
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gcbvol said:
I don’t think you understand what a DEI hire necessarily is. It could be bad if only trying to fill a role with an unqualified person meeting certain criteria. However, if a company's goal is to get a pool of qualified candidates from multiple groups for review, it isn't. The problem here is you guys have no experience with quality DEI programs or an understanding of what they're about.
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I know what responsible employers do..... They've been doing this for years. But it's politics, the left uses it as a dog whistle and so does the right.
 
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KB5252 said:
You don't find the narrative that a hiring freeze just days old resulted in this crash in the ballpark with Trump's idiotic comments today?

I think it's a matter of using a tragedy to promote a preferred policy. He did it in very, very poor taste. Point being the left often capitalizes on tragedy to support agendas. It's politics, that game is old and the Democrats are very well versed.
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Women in military combat roles is DEI. But I guess back in 1993 when we didn’t allow it we were fascist, misogynistic etc. etc.
 
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Smokey123 said:
He shouldn’t have mentioned it… Wasnt the time or place. However there was 1000 air traffic controller applicants that passed their tests and were rejected because the class was “too white” theres currently a lawsuit over it. It started during the Obama admin wanting to diversify the FAA more. As a result there’s been a major shortage of air traffic controllers. There was a record number of what they call “close calls” during the Biden admin

This crash isn’t a result of “DEI” but there’s definitely a problem that needs to be fixed and addressed
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Somebody f’d up. The left is on a roll with the giddiness of Trump being in office for 8 days, while not acknowledging the lack of hired when numbers were down. Time and place to address the “DEI” sure, but nothing wrong with saying the FAA f’d up by not being properly staffed and jeopardizing lives.

Those past over applicants looking like a bad idea.
 
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