DC Black Hawk vs Plane crash.

[Vol737]

What a lying, petty piece of ****. This is on you, your administation, and your cuts my man. Be a ****ing leader.

I don't disagree. The man needs to lay off these kinds of comments that do nothing to better inform or help the situation. Wrt cuts, not really a player in this situation. I'm assuming you just meant his approach to ending DEI within the FAA? Potomac Approach, Washington Center jobs (along with ATL, NY, MSP, Houston, DFW - "TraCon" jobs) are quite coveted positions and pay extremely well. You have to be a controller with a lot of training and experience to land one of those jobs. A lot of controllers aspire to and apply for those positions, so there's no lack of willing and able controllers. The retirement age for ATC personnel is pretty young, so they're constantly recruiting just for attrition and you can't get hired after 30. So, DEI or not, they will be taking qualified candidates from all walks of life and positioning those that can get through the program. Some of the ATC guys over in the aviation thread would probably have better insight, too.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

BREAKING NEWS: Black Hawk helicopter crew chief killed in DC plane crash is named​

The crew chief of the Black Hawk helicopter involved in the deadly mid-air collision with an American Airlines flight has been identified.

Ryan O'Hara from Georgia was on board the doomed helicopter when it plunged into the Potomac River on Wednesday night.

O'Hara left behind a wife and a one-year-old son, and was remembered fondly by his his school as a beloved member of the rifle team.


Ryan O'Hara from Georgia was on board the doomed helicopter when it plunged into the Potomac River on Wednesday night

Black Hawk helicopter crew chief killed in DC crash is named

Ryan O'Hara from Georgia was on board the doomed helicopter when it plunged into the Potomac River on Wednesday night after crashing into the regional commerical jet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Yeah, I agree. Although for at least the next year it will probably be "well they had DEI recently" or something like "this happened because they changed a procedure in 2021, when they had DEI"

The blaming will probably circle back to fat shaming. "Ole fat finger Phil pressed the wrong button and blew up the plant!"

 

[NashVol11]

like I said, its just the new "racism". any time it was a white person doing something bad it was because they were racist or bigoted somehow.

just like anyone would be naive to argue that racism doesn't still exist, they are just as naive to argue that DEI doesn't exist.

its dumb stacked on dumb, justified by dumb, and its why we never get better.

I think this is a false equivalence. I've never heard anyone say that an air traffic controller screwed up because "racism" or assume that every white person who makes a mistake is an unqualified charity hire

 

[BowlBrother85]

Obama did. Remember how "If I had a son" and he couldn't wait to blame the cops for shooting some poor black kid? when it turns out the black kid assaulted the cop before he was shot.

just about every gun grabber has done it any time there is a shooting. especially if the shooter is a white person. oh boy its a NRA this, and white domestic terrorist that.

its not nearly as one sided as you think it is, and you are too smart for that too.

When Barack Obama said, "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon," he was talking about Trayvon Martin. However, Trayvon Martin was not killed by a cop. He was killed by a neighborhood watch member named George Zimmerman. Trayvon Martin was unarmed at the time he was shot.





.... and Barack Obama didn't cast blame on George Zimmerman. Obama merely said that there should be an investigation into the incident, and there was. Zimmerman was later acquitted. Watch the video up above.

 

[lawgator1]

Trump actually did both. Did you even watch the news conference? He started with a moment of silence and then offered his condolences and he did promise a thorough investigation to prevent this from happening again. It's almost like you are commenting without evening knowing what Trump said in his speech. Maybe you should see the whole news conference instead of picking parts and pieces that fit your narrative.

I did and that's what I'm saying. He should have limited it to that.

But noooooooooo. President Pompous Uninformed Asshat had to go on and start blaming his standard punching bags, the usual suspects, when he has no idea whether the facts support it.

Face it, the guy is way too quick to utter whatever nonsensical thought comes into his head.

 

[VOLS INC.]

I'm not talking right versus left, I'm talking this guy. Look, he is what he is. But he is wholly different than anything we've seen before. No responsibility, no empathy, and a whole lot of petty.

Damn right! Woo!!!

 

[VOLS INC.]

I did and that's what I'm saying. He should have limited it to that.

But noooooooooo. President Pompous Uninformed Asshat had to go on and start blaming his standard punching bags, the usual suspects, when he has no idea whether the facts support it.

Face it, the guy is way too quick to utter whatever nonsensical thought comes into his head.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I did and that's what I'm saying. He should have limited it to that.

But noooooooooo. President Pompous Uninformed Asshat had to go on and start blaming his standard punching bags, the usual suspects, when he has no idea whether the facts support it.

Face it, the guy is way too quick to utter whatever nonsensical thought comes into his head.

This unfortunately is the truth.

 

[LouderVol]

When Barack Obama said, "If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon," he was talking about Trayvon Martin. However, Trayvon Martin was not killed by a cop. He was killed by a neighborhood watch member named George Zimmerman. Trayvon Martin was unarmed at the time he was shot.





.... and Barack Obama didn't cast blame on George Zimmerman. Obama merely said that there should be an investigation into the incident, and there was. Zimmerman was later acquitted. Watch the video up above.

you are right, I had the wrong case. I was thinking of the Missouri case.

 

[LouderVol]

I think this is a false equivalence. I've never heard anyone say that an air traffic controller screwed up because "racism" or assume that every white person who makes a mistake is an unqualified charity hire

I can't think of any case where air traffic control was blamed in general, so I think you are also presenting a false equivalence.

and to the second those are obviously two separate "charges". not every DEI "charge" is going to fit racism, and vice versa. but that doesn't mean they aren't used in similar manners.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[gcbvol]

I don't disagree. The man needs to lay off these kinds of comments that do nothing to better inform or help the situation. Wrt cuts, not really a player in this situation. I'm assuming you just meant his approach to ending DEI within the FAA? Potomac Approach, Washington Center jobs (along with ATL, NY, MSP, Houston, DFW - "TraCon" jobs) are quite coveted positions and pay extremely well. You have to be a controller with a lot of training and experience to land one of those jobs. A lot of controllers aspire to and apply for those positions, so there's no lack of willing and able controllers. The retirement age for ATC personnel is pretty young, so they're constantly recruiting just for attrition and you can't get hired after 30. So, DEI or not, they will be taking qualified candidates from all walks of life and positioning those that can get through the program. Some of the ATC guys over in the aviation thread would probably have better insight, too.

I think either someone is qualified for a position or they're not.

My thoughts on DEI are it came from a good place, and is great when implemented and managed properly. It can also be terrible when those things don't happen and/or bad actors are involved. DEI positioned as inherently wrong/the boogeyman/evil is a mistake and lazy. It's a scapegoat.

My last employer had a robust DEI program, and I was never pressured or forced to hire someone with specific traits. What I did receive was a variety of (mostly) qualified applicants to review and move forward if I desired. If not, I got more applicants. It was done well.

I think people believe DEI is only about hiring certain people to meet quotas, whether or not they're qualified. Now, some bad DEI implementations may do that, but certainly not all or even most. DEI is more than hiring practices, though. It's employee resource groups, and community outreach, and fostering a sense of belonging. It is true that happy employees are typically more engaged and productive employees. DEI can support this when done properly.

I'm all for going after bad DEI programs, but framing the whole thing as some horrible monster is wrong, imo.

 

[Majors]

As a person, Trump is a piece of sh*t.

As a leader, well...this is his leadership. Blame, blame, blame. He is running the WH like he's on a campaign. The implication that this happened because a person of color might be in the ATC tower is abhorrent. 65 dead? Blame the colored person. Know who isn't getting hired for ATC right now? Anyone. Because Trump let his P2025 handlers freeze all hiring, regardless of the personal costs.

So you assume all DEI hires means a person of color. Seems kinda racist on your end to make that kind of statement.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I can't think of any case where air traffic control was blamed in general, so I think you are also presenting a false equivalence.

and to the second those are obviously two separate "charges". not every DEI "charge" is going to fit racism, and vice versa. but that doesn't mean they aren't used in similar manners.

It's rare .... but there is the horribly sad story of Robin Wascher.

Controller stricken with grief, anguish after crash - UPI Archives

The controller who directed two airliners onto the same runway, sending both to a deadly collision, cried in a tower office after the crash, smoking a...

www.upi.com

 

[Franklin Pierce]

The air control tower at Reagan airport has been understaffed for years with 19 fully certified controllers as of September 2023. However, staffing targets set by the FAA and the controllers’ union call for 30.

 

[LouderVol]

It's rare .... but there is the horribly sad story of Robin Wascher.

Controller stricken with grief, anguish after crash - UPI Archives

The controller who directed two airliners onto the same runway, sending both to a deadly collision, cried in a tower office after the crash, smoking a...

www.upi.com

dang, I hadn't heard of that one. I was 2 at the time.

 

[KB5252]

I think either someone is qualified for a position or they're not.

My thoughts on DEI are it came from a good place, and is great when implemented and managed properly. It can also be terrible when those things don't happen and/or bad actors are involved. DEI positioned as inherently wrong/the boogeyman/evil is a mistake and lazy. It's a scapegoat.

My last employer had a robust DEI program, and I was never pressured or forced to hire someone with specific traits. What I did receive was a variety of (mostly) qualified applicants to review and move forward if I desired. If not, I got more applicants. It was done well.

I think people believe DEI is only about hiring certain people to meet quotas, whether or not they're qualified. Now, some bad DEI implementations may do that, but certainly not all or even most. DEI is more than hiring practices, though. It's employee resource groups, and community outreach, and fostering a sense of belonging. It is true that happy employees are typically more engaged and productive employees. DEI can support this when done properly.

I'm all for going after bad DEI programs, but framing the whole thing as some horrible monster is wrong, imo.

I mostly agree with this. In most settings, like corporate environments, I believe this to be the case. When I hired I had similar experiences to yours.

When it comes to government and EDU I think it's where DEI goes off the rails. The optics and end result desired overtake the process of evaluating talent and aptitude often......or at least appear to.

 

[C-south]

I think either someone is qualified for a position or they're not.

My thoughts on DEI are it came from a good place, and is great when implemented and managed properly. It can also be terrible when those things don't happen and/or bad actors are involved. DEI positioned as inherently wrong/the boogeyman/evil is a mistake and lazy. It's a scapegoat.

My last employer had a robust DEI program, and I was never pressured or forced to hire someone with specific traits. What I did receive was a variety of (mostly) qualified applicants to review and move forward if I desired. If not, I got more applicants. It was done well.

I think people believe DEI is only about hiring certain people to meet quotas, whether or not they're qualified. Now, some bad DEI implementations may do that, but certainly not all or even most. DEI is more than hiring practices, though. It's employee resource groups, and community outreach, and fostering a sense of belonging. It is true that happy employees are typically more engaged and productive employees. DEI can support this when done properly.

I'm all for going after bad DEI programs, but framing the whole thing as some horrible monster is wrong, imo.

There is nothing good that comes from this dei nonsense.

 

[85SugarVol]

if you are going on the semantics of "hired" then sure.

One cannot be “elected” via DEI. Popular Vote is about the most un-DEI thing out there.

The only selection criteria for public office is getting the most votes.

 

[volkyries]

BREAKING NEWS: Black Hawk helicopter crew chief killed in DC plane crash is named​

The crew chief of the Black Hawk helicopter involved in the deadly mid-air collision with an American Airlines flight has been identified.

Ryan O'Hara from Georgia was on board the doomed helicopter when it plunged into the Potomac River on Wednesday night.

O'Hara left behind a wife and a one-year-old son, and was remembered fondly by his his school as a beloved member of the rifle team.

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Ryan O'Hara from Georgia was on board the doomed helicopter when it plunged into the Potomac River on Wednesday night

Black Hawk helicopter crew chief killed in DC crash is named

Ryan O'Hara from Georgia was on board the doomed helicopter when it plunged into the Potomac River on Wednesday night after crashing into the regional commerical jet.

www.dailymail.co.uk

According to the article, source of this article was a Facebook post on the JROTC page of his former high school which is crazy. I am sure they (JROTC folks) got it from a legit source, but seemed bad to release it before the Army officially did.

ETA: I guess that is why the deleted it already, but why post it first to begin with.

 

[Ashevolle]

Staffed at 1/3 below target levels. Gonna get worse with the hiring freeze and move to shrink the federal workforce.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Staffed at 1/3 below target levels. Gonna get worse with the hiring freeze and move to shrink the federal workforce.

Hmmm, one accident in how many days?

Blame hiring freeze.

 

[lawgator1]

Trump held a press conference a vut ago. Had a chance to derail this. Did he?

Nope. Ge doubled down and repeated the DEI theory. Said his proof is common sense.


Cant make this up.

 

[gcbvol]

There is nothing good that comes from this dei nonsense.

See, this is a lazy take. It's simply not true.