DC Black Hawk vs Plane crash.

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walkenvol said:
Cmon - he hasn’t changed the airline industry in 10 days
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It was an accident. What a true leader does is offer sympathy and support to victims and families, and let investigations take place to determine cause and actions to prevent. What you don't do is blame everything and everyone else without any evidence. He's a petty man with a heart full of bile.
 
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gcbvol said:
It was an accident. What a true leader does is offer sympathy and support to victims and families, and let investigations take place to determine cause and actions to prevent. What you don't do is blame everything and everyone else without any evidence. He's a petty man with a heart full of bile.
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ah, so he is a politician. vilest of creatures. lawyers would be right behind them.
 
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vols4sure said:
We shall see. Scary to think qualified air traffic controllers would mess up so bad to allow a commercial plane to crash into an army helicopter.

Fact or fiction - the FAA has emphasized DEI hiring instead of true merit based hiring? Personally, I would prefer it be entirely merit based given lives at risk.
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I haven’t seen an FAA application but every other government application, whether it be a federal job or a federally contracted job, makes it clear they hire based on affirmative action. I can’t imagine this would be a position where merit would be compromised but I also can’t see what any other tax payer funded job would be either.
 
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LouderVol said:
I can't, and haven't spoken to the specifics of this mayor, but it is certainly possible to win an election through DEI. if the constituents aren't voting on the person because of their merits there is room to consider it a "DEI hire".
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So yes, we're apparently going to say this about everyone who gets elected and isn't a white man because you can invent "room to consider it" in essentially every situation. Only straight white men are granted the presumption of being qualified.
LouderVol said:
I mean if people are racist just for being white, I don't know why someone else wouldn't be considered "DEI" for being not white.
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When have I said people are racist just for being white? Seems a weird strawman to justify a pejorative term for everyone who isn't a straight white man
 
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NashVol11 said:
So yes, we're apparently going to say this about everyone who gets elected and isn't a white man because you can invent "room to consider it" in essentially every situation. Only straight white men are granted the presumption of being qualified.

When have I said people are racist just for being white? Seems a weird strawman to justify a pejorative term for everyone who isn't a straight white man
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They think CRT means you have to think you're racist for being white.
 
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volkyries said:
I got the popcorn ready for when they release the information for the crew of the Blackhawk. A lot of speculation about the DEI status of the crew which may or may not be true. lol
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If it's a woman, gay, or a minority, then it's a gotcha moment. If it's a white man, then we just move on. And the people who have cried endless tears about double standards will be clicking their heels either way.
 
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vols4sure said:
I am sure that Trump has access to more information during the presser than people on this forum. Agree with it or not, he is using the opportunity to shine a light on our countries emphasis of DEI policies over merit. Will bite him if no evidence of irregularities ends up being public.
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It will bite him regardless because of the way he's handled it. There is a time, place and accepted means of disseminating your stance on how harmful DEI policies can be.

Hours after a crash that killed service members and citizens.......... Before everyone has been recovered and accounted for surely isn't it.

He lacks tact and humility. I agree with some of what he says or does, I just hate the way he says it and goes about it most of the time. It's exhausting and honestly counterproductive to his goals.

I personally think DEI is a bad idea, I think it needlessly lowers the talent pool and is insulting to minorities and the other groups it encompasses.

If there aren't enough high caliber candidates of a particular color, sex or other orientation than we have to ask ourselves why and go about recruiting/developing better candidates in those groups. We need to develop them into the best.

If your DEI program consists of that then fine. Saying you must focus on hiring so many people of x group means you are narrowing the talent pool and rolling out people based solely on their race........ That's illegal.
 
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n_huffhines said:
If it's a woman, gay, or a minority, then it's a gotcha moment. If it's a white man, then we just move on. And the people who have cried endless tears about double standards will be clicking their heels either way.
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It’s sad some have made this way and risked/cost lives in the name of “equity”.
 
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This blame game crap is very tasteless while bodies are still in the Potomac River. Due to Trump's tantrum, the entire focus is on whether or not a DEI hire is to blame, with very little being said about the victims and their families at the moment.

For the record, in January of 1982, Air Florida Flight 90 crashed into the 14th Street bridge and then into the Potomac River, shortly after taking off from Reagan National Airport. 4 passengers and 1 crew member managed to survive. That did not involve a midair collision however.
 
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NashVol11 said:
So yes, we're apparently going to say this about everyone who gets elected and isn't a white man because you can invent "room to consider it" in essentially every situation. Only straight white men are granted the presumption of being qualified.

When have I said people are racist just for being white? Seems a weird strawman to justify a pejorative term for everyone who isn't a straight white man
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you said white people are racist in the same post where I said "everyone who gets elected and isn't a white man" is DEI. try paying attention to what I actually say instead of putting words in my mouth.

I can certainly see cases where a straight white man would be a DEI hire. which is one of the reasons I don't use the term. at least if you believe in the actual definition of DEI. if you had a brown lesbian muslim group and they hired a straight white christian male, that would look pretty DEI to me.

for me any consideration beyond merit, however that is defined for the job, is DEI-esque. that goes for every white person too, before you try to put more words in my mouth.
 
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LouderVol said:
you said white people are racist in the same post where I said "everyone who gets elected and isn't a white man" is DEI. try paying attention to what I actually say instead of putting words in my mouth.

I can certainly see cases where a straight white man would be a DEI hire. which is one of the reasons I don't use the term. at least if you believe in the actual definition of DEI. if you had a brown lesbian muslim group and they hired a straight white christian male, that would look pretty DEI to me.

for me any consideration beyond merit, however that is defined for the job, is DEI-esque. that goes for every white person too, before you try to put more words in my mouth.
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Brown Lesbian Muslim Group? Wowsers!
 
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gcbvol said:
Yeah, except no other POTUS in memory has responded to a tragedy like he just did. You're too smart to be this obtuse, Louder.
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Obama did. Remember how "If I had a son" and he couldn't wait to blame the cops for shooting some poor black kid? when it turns out the black kid assaulted the cop before he was shot.

just about every gun grabber has done it any time there is a shooting. especially if the shooter is a white person. oh boy its a NRA this, and white domestic terrorist that.

its not nearly as one sided as you think it is, and you are too smart for that too.
 
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LouderVol said:
Obama did. Remember how "If I had a son" and he couldn't wait to blame the cops for shooting some poor black kid? when it turns out the black kid assaulted the cop before he was shot.

just about every gun grabber has done it any time there is a shooting. especially if the shooter is a white person. oh boy its a NRA this, and white domestic terrorist that.

its not nearly as one sided as you think it is, and you are too smart for that too.
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I'm not talking right versus left, I'm talking this guy. Look, he is what he is. But he is wholly different than anything we've seen before. No responsibility, no empathy, and a whole lot of petty.
 
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LouderVol said:
you said white people are racist in the same post where I said "everyone who gets elected and isn't a white man" is DEI. try paying attention to what I actually say instead of putting words in my mouth.
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I didn't quote you as saying that, I pointed out that there is essentially no limit to its usage to scapegoat a minority or woman in every situation, and no limit to throwing "DEI" at any politician or hire that isn't a straight white man because someone can always make up "room to consider it." And we are seeing it now every time something bad happens
 
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NashVol11 said:
I didn't quote you as saying that, I pointed out that there is essentially no limit to its usage to scapegoat a minority or woman in every situation, and no limit to throwing "DEI" at any politician or hire that isn't a straight white man because someone can always make up "room to consider it." And we are seeing it now every time something bad happens
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The blame game will be interesting moving forward when a mistake occurs without DEI.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
The blame game will be interesting moving forward when a mistake occurs without DEI.
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Yeah, I agree. Although for at least the next year it will probably be "well they had DEI recently" or something like "this happened because they changed a procedure in 2021, when they had DEI"
 
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gcbvol said:
I'm not talking right versus left, I'm talking this guy. Look, he is what he is. But he is wholly different than anything we've seen before. No responsibility, no empathy, and a whole lot of petty.
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I haven't seen any president take responsibility for anything they have done.

Biden just pardoned anyone whose name he could remember.
Obama ordered the killing of an american without an judicial oversite, and people act like he deserved his Nobel Peace Prize.

I haven't seen any president or politician offer anything I would ever consider real empathy.

I didn't buy Obama's fake tears anymore than I buy Trump's moment of silence. its ALL an act. I doubt all those congressmen kneeling down in the Capitol in African garb held one iota of actual empathy towards the cause they were parroting. Hilary arguing with congress about "at this point what difference does it make".

Petty is a heady word to throw around with anyone in our partisan political environment. Again Obama sent the IRS after his detractors. he banned media who talked bad about him long before Trump ever ran. Depending on your takes on Biden's action right at the end of his presidency, beyond the pardons, looked pretty darn petty to me. digging as many holes and pits for Trump as he could before he was shown the door.

I only used Biden and Obama because those are the ones I can remember myself, and can speak directly about due to my age. but I am under no delusion that the Bushes, Clinton, Reagan, or any of the others was any different.

Trump is just another symptom of the disease that infects this country, not the disease itself. yeah he is guilty of all of it too, but acting like he is somehow different is just bs.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I didn't quote you as saying that, I pointed out that there is essentially no limit to its usage to scapegoat a minority or woman in every situation, and no limit to throwing "DEI" at any politician or hire that isn't a straight white man because someone can always make up "room to consider it." And we are seeing it now every time something bad happens
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like I said, its just the new "racism". any time it was a white person doing something bad it was because they were racist or bigoted somehow.

just like anyone would be naive to argue that racism doesn't still exist, they are just as naive to argue that DEI doesn't exist.

its dumb stacked on dumb, justified by dumb, and its why we never get better.
 
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