Dear Obama Supporters,

#76
#76
dsbyrd said:
Sorry, your response is of the general sort I disqualified in advance. Name a specific handout please.
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UHC for 40 million uninsured isn't specific? patently absurd.

I guess ruling them all out means you'll be right in the end. Congrats.
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#77
#77
BigPapaVol said:
UfrickinHC is the biggest freaking redistro program imaginable.Posted via VolNation Mobile
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You act as if this would have been a different case if McCain was elected. With me, my employer HC would have been taxed for the first time in history so he could give money to others to go get their own healthcare.
 
#78
#78
rjd970 said:
You act as if this would have been a different case if McCain was elected. With me, my employer HC would have been taxed for the first time in history so he could give money to others to go get their own healthcare.
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taxed, but not fully funded by taxpayers.... are you retarded?
 
#79
#79
dcgf05 said:
oh, you mean like below $250,000 getting a tex refund, turned into $200,000 per household getting a tax refund, followed by obama's advisors saying $120,000 per household...

I suppose by scraping by in a high cost of living area, I am obscenely rich in the view of obama, in view of my wife and I making more than the $120,000 cap for obama's 41% tax rate, or his elimination of the 401k benefits for all americans, or his raise in the death tax to 40% or... the list goes on. This is a sad, sad day for america.
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I don't think he promised tax refunds for people making less than $250K. Just a cut in the total taxes paid. If you and your wife make $120k per year you will not see a tax increase. The estate tax issue (or "death tax" in scary Republican rhetoric) is a red herring for all but an exceptionally small percentage of Americans.

As far as the 401K issue- I think you are making that up or listening to too much talk radio.
 
#80
#80
dcgf05 said:
taxed, but not fully funded by taxpayers.... are you retarded?
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Where else do you suppose he was going to get the money? And your namecalling is a sign of your maturity and confidence in what you are saying.
 
#81
#81
volinbham said:
Have you stopped looking for "beep beep" yet or will that take a while to get out of your system?
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I don't mind the "beep beep" as long as it's dozing the Republicans out of Washington..:whistling:
 
#82
#82
rjd970 said:
You act as if this would have been a different case if McCain was elected. With me, my employer HC would have been taxed for the first time in history so he could give money to others to go get their own healthcare.
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McCain's idea sucked too. Healthcare as a gov't backed right is just un-American, regardless of whose idea..

I do think McCain would have backed away.

Regardless, the bottom up economics commentary and economic justice via the SC were over the top socialism and cannot be overstated.
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#83
#83
dsbyrd said:
I don't think he promised tax refunds for people making less than $250K. Just a cut in the total taxes paid. If you and your wife make $120k per year you will not see a tax increase. The estate tax issue (or "death tax" in scary Republican rhetoric) is a red herring for all but an exceptionally small percentage of Americans.

As far as the 401K issue- I think you are making that up or listening to too much talk radio.
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the "red herring" of the death tax is that if you lose a close family member who gives you more than $12,000, then you pay 40% in taxes under obama... this is not a question.

As per the 401k argument, see Congress mulls major 401(k) changes (The Obama Retirement Ripoff of 2009)

clearly, all americans who contribute to a 401k under obama are not "spreading the wealth" and deserve to have their contributions tossed into obama's idea of redistributed wealth.
 
#84
#84
rjd970 said:
Where else do you suppose he was going to get the money? And your namecalling is a sign of your maturity and confidence in what you are saying.
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one system is 100% supported by taxpayers, one system is 15-28% paid by taxpayers. Which do you think is less of a burden on the taxpayers.
 
#85
#85
BigPapaVol said:
McCain's idea sucked too. Healthcare as a gov't backed right is just un-American, regardless of whose idea..

I do think McCain would have backed away.

Regardless, the bottom up economics commentary and economic justice via the SC were over the top socialism and cannot be overstated.
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We'll see if all of it actually goes through or is as bad as you constantly make it out to be. Your post is fair enough though, I won't argue it.
 
#86
#86
dcgf05 said:
the "red herring" of the death tax is that if you lose a close family member who gives you more than $12,000, then you pay 40% in taxes under obama... this is not a question.

As per the 401k argument, see Congress mulls major 401(k) changes (The Obama Retirement Ripoff of 2009)

clearly, all americans who contribute to a 401k under obama are not "spreading the wealth" and deserve to have their contributions tossed into obama's idea of redistributed wealth.
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If more than $12K falls in my lap because someone croaks, I'd be happy to pay 40% in taxes. Someone has to pay for Bush's ill-advised war in Iraq, among his other follies.

I'm still not up to speed on the 401(k) issue, so can't comment at this time.
 
#87
#87
rjd970 said:
We'll see if all of it actually goes through or is as bad as you constantly make it out to be. Your post is fair enough though, I won't argue it.
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I'll be the happiest dead wrong poster on here and be the first to admit it.

You have no idea how I want to be wrong.
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#88
#88
dcgf05 said:
one system is 100% supported by taxpayers, one system is 15-28% paid by taxpayers. Which do you think is less of a burden on the taxpayers.
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Both plans are awful. UHC is crap, no matter how you paint it. I am completely happy with my HC situation and McCain would have messed with it. Nothing is going to change under Obama for me. That is the lesser of the evils I chose from with this issue.
 
#89
#89
rjd970 said:
Both plans are awful. UHC is crap, no matter how you paint it. I am completely happy with my HC situation and McCain would have messed with it. Nothing is going to change under Obama for me. That is the lesser of the evils I chose from with this issue.
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nothing will change until we have to pay for it, then it will get painful for everyone.
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#90
#90
dsbyrd said:
If more than $12K falls in my lap because someone croaks, I'd be happy to pay 40% in taxes. Someone has to pay for Bush's ill-advised war in Iraq, among his other follies.

I'm still not up to speed on the 401(k) issue, so can't comment at this time.
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happy? seriously?
you'd be happy that your parent or grandparent's intent to pass on to you goes 40% to causes which you do not support? Sounds a bit like "redistributing" money from family and small businesses to causes which were not intended to receive such funds.
 
#91
#91
BigPapaVol said:
nothing will change until we have to pay for it, then it will get painful for everyone.
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Agreed, including the $4+ Trillion in debt we have accrued over the last 8 years. I will concede UHC is fiscally irresponsible. Both candidates sucked with this issue.
 
#92
#92
dcgf05 said:
happy? seriously?
you'd be happy that your parent or grandparent's intent to pass on to you goes 40% to causes which you do not support? Sounds a bit like "redistributing" money from family and small businesses to causes which were not intended to receive such funds.
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Your comment about Obama instituting a 40% estate tax rate for estates over $12,000 is 100% erroneous.
 
#93
#93
after reading this thread, I assume that I should freely "donate" 40+% of my pre-tax income to causes which I do not support... Additionally, I should pay 5+% towards my state income tax. And on top of that I should pay at least 5+% of sales tax on everything I buy. The 50+% of what I earn going to programs I do not support is supposed to make me feel better about the fact that I am working harder to make less?
 
#97
#97
dcgf05 said:
happy? seriously?
you'd be happy that your parent or grandparent's intent to pass on to you goes 40% to causes which you do not support? Sounds a bit like "redistributing" money from family and small businesses to causes which were not intended to receive such funds.
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For almost eight years I have paid tens of thousands of dollars in ordinary payroll taxes each year, a good portion of which went to Bush policies I didn't support, including a war in Iraq, torture, and erosion of civil liberties. If a chunk of change falls in my lap now, I'm happy to pay some tax on it to support BHO's policies, which I will likely find far more palatable.
 
#98
#98
nickknx865 said:
I'm not so much for UHC. I just want premiums that most/all can afford.
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Maybe somebody else has said this before, but that is the first reasonable statement about HC I have read on this board. It's amazing that neither candidate ever gave anything more than lip service to this idea. They just talked about handout's in some form or other.
 
#99
#99
dsbyrd said:
For almost eight years I have paid tens of thousands of dollars in ordinary payroll taxes each year, a good portion of which went to Bush policies I didn't support, including a war in Iraq, torture, and erosion of civil liberties. If a chunk of change falls in my lap now, I'm happy to pay some tax on it to support BHO's policies, which I will likely find far more palatable.
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I've payed tens of thousands of dollars in federal/state taxes each year also. Feel free to toss your cash at BHO handouts. I, on the other hand, will not.
 
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