Dear Obama Supporters,

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#101
dcgf05 said:
I've payed tens of thousands of dollars in federal/state taxes each year also. Feel free to toss your cash at BHO handouts. I, on the other hand, will not.
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Tax evader! Send me your address and I will send you some soap on a rope.
 
#102
#102
rjd970 said:
The market could handle that just fine, probably better without McCain's plan and definitely better without Obama's.
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but if we have a free market system that contradicts obama's ideal that the federal government should provide all. obama's socialism is appalling.
 
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#103
rjd970 said:
Maybe somebody else has said this before, but that is the first reasonable statement about HC I have read on this board. It's amazing that neither candidate ever gave anything more than lip service to this idea. They just talked about handout's in some form or other.
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it's not remotely reasonable. Fixed pricing is absolutely counter to capitalism and is simply socialism under a nicer name.

Only way to get there is dictated pricing or subsidies, both of which are absolutely socialist.
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BigPapaVol said:
it's not remotely reasonable. Fixed pricing is absolutely counter to capitalism and is simply socialism under a nicer name.

Only way to get there is dictated pricing or subsidies, both of which are absolutely socialist.
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Who said anything about fixing prices besides you?
 
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dcgf05 said:
but if we have a free market system that contradicts obama's ideal that the federal government should provide all. obama's socialism is appalling.
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I really don't think that Obama want's the government to provide, "all"

I think he just has the idea that the government should be more than just spectators in the economy.
 
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rjd970 said:
Who said anything about fixing prices besides you?
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what else does "affordable for all mean?"

Maybe artificially set pricing sounds better to you? Still the exact same thing and absolutely socialist.
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BigPapaVol said:
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You don't think the market can achieve this?

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I see what you are getting at. Minus the freeloaders, the market can create a system where premiums are affordable for the majority of Americans that could afford it that currently can't. There are currently hard working americans that aren't freeloaders that simply can't afford it right now. The point is that the system set up now is imperfect.
 
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#109
dcgf05 said:
The estate tax: McCain vs. Obama - Aug. 6, 2008

uninformed voter FTW
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You're so clueless it's pitiful. From your own article (which also agrees to Obama's detailed tax plan). Please feel free to ask detailed questions on what this means because your previous posts on this subject show that you have NO idea what you're talking about. I'd LOVE to hear your explanation of how this plan would result in a 40% tax rate for an estate worth $12,000.

Obama proposes freezing the estate tax at 2009 levels: a 45% tax rate on estates valued at more than $3.5 million. Married couples can combine their exemptions for a total of $7 million.

"By exempting all estates under $7 million, Obama's plan will shield all but about 100 estates with small business income from any estate taxation," said Obama campaign spokesman Nick Shapiro, citing the Congressional Budget Office's 2005 study on the estate tax and further analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "Senator Obama's plan would completely exempt 99.7% of estates from taxation."
 
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Vol423 said:
You're so clueless it's pitiful. From your own article (which also agrees to Obama's detailed tax plan). Please feel free to ask detailed questions on what this means because your previous posts on this subject show that you have NO idea what you're talking about. I'd LOVE to hear your explanation of how this plan would result in a 40% tax rate for an estate worth $12,000.

Obama proposes freezing the estate tax at 2009 levels: a 45% tax rate on estates valued at more than $3.5 million. Married couples can combine their exemptions for a total of $7 million.

"By exempting all estates under $7 million, Obama's plan will shield all but about 100 estates with small business income from any estate taxation," said Obama campaign spokesman Nick Shapiro, citing the Congressional Budget Office's 2005 study on the estate tax and further analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "Senator Obama's plan would completely exempt 99.7% of estates from taxation."
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so you copy/pasted quotes from an article without explaining your false belief?
 
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#112
dcgf05 said:
so you copy/pasted quotes from an article without explaining your false belief?
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It's YOUR belief that a $12,000 estate would be taxed under the estate tax that is 100% FALSE. A $12,000 estate wouldn't be taxed under anybody's proposed plan for the estate tax.
 
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#113
Vol423 said:
It's YOUR belief that a $12,000 estate would be taxed under the estate tax that is 100% FALSE. A $12,000 estate wouldn't be taxed under anybody's proposed plan for the estate tax.
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prove me wrong hoss

edit: I said that under 12,000 would not be taxed
 
#115
#115
Vol423 said:
Apparently it's impossible to do so since you're INCAPABLE OF READING.

Do you NOT understand the meaning of the word "exempt"?
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you missed the edit, and the reading comprehension from the post of which you decry
 
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dcgf05 said:
you missed the edit, and the reading comprehension from the post of which you decry
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Let's see. You posted this:

..."if you lose a close family member who gives you more than $12,000, then you pay 40% in taxes under obama... this is not a question."

Then another poster said that they would happily pay a 40% tax on an inheritance of more than $12,000. Then you basically responded that you were shocked that the other poster wouldn't be outraged that his $12,000 inheritance would be taxed at 40%.

No estate under $3.5 million ($7.0 million per couple) would be taxed under the estate tax. You're $12,000 inheritance would be totally tax free. As long as you agree to that fact, then we're in perfect agreement.

I admit that I skimmed through this thread, so perhaps I missed some hidden context in your post. If that is the case, then I apologize. However, it appeared that you were claiming that Obama would tax estates of $12,000 at a 40% tax rate.
 
#117
#117
rjd970 said:
You don't think the market can achieve this?

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I see what you are getting at. Minus the freeloaders, the market can create a system where premiums are affordable for the majority of Americans that could afford it that currently can't. There are currently hard working americans that aren't freeloaders that simply can't afford it right now. The point is that the system set up now is imperfect.
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there have always been hard working Americans who couldn't afford it and there are always going to be.

Our imperfect system provides them with care anyway and that's amazing. The 40 million uninsured is just vote gathering blather. They don't have formal coverage, but they can get care by walking in a hospital.
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#118
Vol423 said:
Let's see. You posted this:

..."if you lose a close family member who gives you more than $12,000, then you pay 40% in taxes under obama... this is not a question."

Then another poster said that they would happily pay a 40% tax on an inheritance of more than $12,000. Then you basically responded that you were shocked that the other poster wouldn't be outraged that his $12,000 inheritance would be taxed at 40%.

No estate under $3.5 million ($7.0 million per couple) would be taxed under the estate tax. You're $12,000 inheritance would be totally tax free. As long as you agree to that fact, then we're in perfect agreement.
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seriously junior, learn some reading comprehension
 
#119
#119
dcgf05 said:
seriously junior, learn some reading comprehension
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If the "more than $12,000" phrase highlighted is your contention with my posts, then you're a bigger idiot than I first thought.

$3.5 million per individual ($7.0 million per couple) is exempt from the estate tax. Every dollar left to you in an estate from dollar number 1 to dollar number $3.5 million ($7.0 million for a couple) is TAX EXEMPT.
 
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#120
BigPapaVol said:
there have always been hard working Americans who couldn't afford it and there are always going to be.

Our imperfect system provides them with care anyway and that's amazing. The 40 million uninsured is just vote gathering blather. They don't have formal coverage, but they can get care by walking in a hospital.
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True, but they walk out with a jaw-dropping hospital bill, that they can't possibly afford, at least right off.
 
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#124
Vol423 said:
If the "more than $12,000" phrase highlighted is your contention with my posts, then you're a bigger idiot than I first thought.

$3.5 million per individual ($7.0 million per couple) is exempt from the estate tax. Every dollar left to you in an estate from dollar number 1 to dollar number $3.5 million ($7.0 million for a couple) is TAX EXEMPT.
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up to 12,000 is tax exempt... I don't have the time or the desire to school you on the estate tax. I'd advise that you consult an attorney. The fact that you continually fail to see that it was/is stated clearly above 12,000 does not resolve the fact that you have no clue about that which you are speaking of.
 
#125
#125
Vol423 said:
If the "more than $12,000" phrase highlighted is your contention with my posts, then you're a bigger idiot than I first thought.

$3.5 million per individual ($7.0 million per couple) is exempt from the estate tax. Every dollar left to you in an estate from dollar number 1 to dollar number $3.5 million ($7.0 million for a couple) is TAX EXEMPT.
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dcgf05, I'm still waiting for your brilliant response to this post.
 
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