Debbie Downer Filing Suit Against UT/Hart

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A lawsuit can name anyone a defendant at any time. It doesn't make it factual. It is a plea for a settlement and will never see a courtroom.
 
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gardners_51609 said:
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I am extremeley concerned over this lawsuit at UT, naming Dave Hart. We finally find a guy that I believe is great for this Athletic Department and has good, quality experience. And then his name gets dragged through the mud. Does anyone else have a hard time believing these allegations are true?

Debby Jennings suit amended to include Pat Summitt affidavit » GoVolsXtra
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How do you have a hard time believing it's true when it comes directly out of Pat Summitt's mouth? When has she ever told a lie before?
 
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If I am not mistaken this is not the first allegation against Hart during his career. I could swear I read that he had similar issues in previous stops.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
How do you have a hard time believing it's true when it comes directly out of Pat Summitt's mouth? When has she ever told a lie before?
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So was she lying when she said earlier that the decision to step down was hers and that she was comfortable with it on April 18th?
 
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DeerPark12 said:
How do you have a hard time believing it's true when it comes directly out of Pat Summitt's mouth? When has she ever told a lie before?
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She has a disease that affects her mind. That's not a shot. That's a fact. It's possible she doesn't even know anything about that.

Ever thought that maybe Debbie Jennings told her what to say?

I'm not saying that happened. I'm just saying there are a lot of reasons here.
 
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I know it is from Pat Summitt's mouth, but I do not know how out of context it is. The media has a way of twisting words to make it fit their story. Not saying that is happening here, but I just feel all of this seems odd. Who comes to a new job as AD and does away with the winniest basketball coach in history when she was still in the NCAA touney. It just doesn't add up.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
How do you have a hard time believing it's true when it comes directly out of Pat Summitt's mouth? When has she ever told a lie before?
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I love Pat. Always will, but I have been around her disease and unfortunately the symptoms of it leave a lot of things said that may or may not be true. It's a heartbreaking disease and You can get accused of things even by loved ones that you have no idea where they came from. I don't think the Pat we love would lie but..... :cray:
 
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This could turn out to be a big deal. Sometimes these things just disappear. Sometimes they blow up. It could be that someone just got their feelings hurt. It could be that Hart is a narcissistic POS and that this is the beginning of the end here for him.
 
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Whether Hart asked Pat to resign or not doesn't have a bearing on whether he somehow discriminated against Debby Jennings. The two are unrelated. To me it's a hollow and blatant attempt to drum up sympathy and somehow force the University to settle. Her case should stand on its own merits but apparently it has problems in that regard.

As for Hart, if you haven't figured it out by now, he's one tough SOB who runs the department the way he wants it run, and nothing else. Either you go along with his plan or you won't be working at the UTAD any longer.

I don't think he's in any jeopardy as the university administration (Cheek, DiPietro) seems to be comfortable with letting him run things the way he wants them run.

As someone who has experience in the Athletic Department, I can tell you there were many changes that were long overdue. The incestuous and antiquated nature of the AD needed correction. The fact is that athletic departments need to be run like professional franchises now because of the exorbitant money involved. UT resisted change for so long that when change had to be made, it was more painful for those involved.

In regards to Pat, she needed to step aside - anyone who watched the effect this had on the program last year knew that. It was extremely difficult for all involved. But in the best interest of the program it was time even though it was painful. If it took Hart giving her the honest truth for her to do that, I'm OK with that. I'd much rather him do that than watching her decline and the program fall into disarray, frankly, that's his job.

Hart is easily the strongest personality that UT athletics has had in a long time. With that come things that will rub people the wrong way at times. But I do think he has a plan to turn the UTAD into a powerhouse. We'll see if he can be allowed to execute his vision.
 
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FearlessFreep said:
Whether Hart asked Pat to resign or not doesn't have a bearing on whether he somehow discriminated against Debby Jennings. The two are unrelated. To me it's a hollow and blatant attempt to drum up sympathy and somehow force the University to settle. Her case should stand on its own merits but apparently it has problems in that regard.
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exactly......has nothing to do with the jennings claim. Its is being used as a tool by the jennings side to get leverage. When Pat Summitt comes out and says, Dave Hart discriminated against me, then we have something.
 
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Nashvol2 said:
That's what everyone says when there asked to step down.
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A lie is a lie, I don't think pat would have went along with it if it wasn't her decision.

The Athletic department was a wreck. They had too many people doing nothing and somebody needed to clean house. I also know several people in the department and have been told these things needed to be done a long time ago. When things are good its easy to let people slide by, but it was going on for too long.
 
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BearCat204 said:
exactly......has nothing to do with the jennings claim. Its is being used as a tool by the jennings side to get leverage. When Pat Summitt comes out and says, Dave Hart discriminated against me, then we have something.
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How many people thought Debbie Jennings was a money chasing clown before last night? 75%. Now with the Summitt news, she has the leverage among the fan base.
 
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I asked in the other thread, and I'll ask again. Where is the EEOC in all of this? Wasn't Jennings required to file an EEOC charge before filing a discrimination lawsuit? If so, the EEOC should have filed suit on her behalf, UNLESS the EEOC determined that there was no merit to the lawsuit. Since the EEOC isn't a party to this suit, there seems to be three possibilities: (1) she failed to file an EEOC charge, in which case her lawsuit will be dismissed for "failure to exhaust her administrative remedies;" (2) she filed an EEOC charge, and the EEOC decided there was nothing to this (in which case we're not worried); or (3) I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Under any of those circumstances, you guys will be happy... although... if it's (3), you'll just be happy because you get to make fun of me. :)
 
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DeerPark12 said:
How do you have a hard time believing it's true when it comes directly out of Pat Summitt's mouth? When has she ever told a lie before?
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Two reasons. One is she has now issued contradictory statements and the other is that she is not in full possession of her faculties. Objectively these factors make it harder to know what actually happened than would normally be the case.

But either way it was clear that Pat was not going to be able to stay on and any competent AD was going to see that the change was made so that the Sword of Damocles hanging over the program would be removed. That part is not really shocking in the least and was inevitable. It was not only the best decision for all involved, it was the only decision. We can argue about when Pat should have been told... after the tournament would have been better IMO but we are not in possession of all of the factors that went into deciding the timing.

The decision about the logo was ridiculous but it is hardly an outrage to change your marketing plan. It might be foolish and I think it was wrong to mess with the brand but it is still just a logo and we can change to or from it as circumstances dictate.

So, I am failing to see what all of the outrage is about. I have followed the Lady Vols since before they were part of the NCAA and they are my favorite program at UT even before football but I must have missed the part everyone is so mad about. I will go back and look again to see what I am missing.
 
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She was deadwood in the department and she had to go. Now she is suing and whining about every detail her lawyer can think of to squeeze money out of UT and get even with Hart, who is just doing his job.
 
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zjcvols said:
She has a disease that affects her mind. That's not a shot. That's a fact. It's possible she doesn't even know anything about that.

Ever thought that maybe Debbie Jennings told her what to say?

I'm not saying that happened. I'm just saying there are a lot of reasons here.
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Unless you have lived with disease, you have NO IDEA how true what you say is. There is no way that Pat will be able to competently agree or disagree with the statement that she supposedly made. The disease is fast and brutal. The best thing for Pat and her legacy is for her family to back her out of this suit and just let it go.
 
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Come on guys....if you are Dave Hart, do you want to see this around the office every day....

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Case dismissed!!!
 
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crparker21 said:
A lie is a lie, I don't think pat would have went along with it if it wasn't her decision.

The Athletic department was a wreck. They had too many people doing nothing and somebody needed to clean house. I also know several people in the department and have been told these things needed to be done a long time ago. When things are good its easy to let people slide by, but it was going on for too long.
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No one wants to step up to the fact that had MH not been fired he would have done the same thing. The plan to streamline the AD has been in place for several years and certainly before Hart. Pat would still be there and working on her own terms if she wasn't ill. With the illness she has, she should have retired immediately. The progression sneaks up on the person ill and their family very quickly.
 
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FearlessFreep said:
Whether Hart asked Pat to resign or not doesn't have a bearing on whether he somehow discriminated against Debby Jennings. The two are unrelated. To me it's a hollow and blatant attempt to drum up sympathy and somehow force the University to settle. Her case should stand on its own merits but apparently it has problems in that regard.

As for Hart, if you haven't figured it out by now, he's one tough SOB who runs the department the way he wants it run, and nothing else. Either you go along with his plan or you won't be working at the UTAD any longer.

I don't think he's in any jeopardy as the university administration (Cheek, DiPietro) seems to be comfortable with letting him run things the way he wants them run.

As someone who has experience in the Athletic Department, I can tell you there were many changes that were long overdue. The incestuous and antiquated nature of the AD needed correction. The fact is that athletic departments need to be run like professional franchises now because of the exorbitant money involved. UT resisted change for so long that when change had to be made, it was more painful for those involved.

In regards to Pat, she needed to step aside - anyone who watched the effect this had on the program last year knew that. It was extremely difficult for all involved. But in the best interest of the program it was time even though it was painful. If it took Hart giving her the honest truth for her to do that, I'm OK with that. I'd much rather him do that than watching her decline and the program fall into disarray, frankly, that's his job.

Hart is easily the strongest personality that UT athletics has had in a long time. With that come things that will rub people the wrong way at times. But I do think he has a plan to turn the UTAD into a powerhouse. We'll see if he can be allowed to execute his vision.
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+1 zillion
 
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LocoVol said:
I love Pat. Always will, but I have been around her disease and unfortunately the symptoms of it leave a lot of things said that may or may not be true. It's a heartbreaking disease and You can get accused of things even by loved ones that you have no idea where they came from. I don't think the Pat we love would lie but..... :cray:
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The family can also get accused of things that never happened. What you say is completely true.
 
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