Debbie Downer Filing Suit Against UT/Hart

#51
#51
Can you really decipher what the hell was said. Jennings told Hart what she thought of him and his decision and he booted her. She was gone anyway, she just screwed the pooch by sticking her foot in her mouth. Like earlier posters have said, the AD was too inbred by years of success. When times get hard, heads roll, it's either that or start getting rid of entire sports to save the $$. I'd rather the kids get schollies and get to play than have Debbie Jennings (assistant AD in charge of not a damn thing) hanging around drawing a salary.
 
#52
#52
I think everyone just needs to leave Pat and her family alone.

They have enough concerns without this kind of crap going on.

God bless you Pat, we miss you and will always love you.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
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Sheik Yerbouti said:
I asked in the other thread, and I'll ask again. Where is the EEOC in all of this? Wasn't Jennings required to file an EEOC charge before filing a discrimination lawsuit? If so, the EEOC should have filed suit on her behalf, UNLESS the EEOC determined that there was no merit to the lawsuit. Since the EEOC isn't a party to this suit, there seems to be three possibilities: (1) she failed to file an EEOC charge, in which case her lawsuit will be dismissed for "failure to exhaust her administrative remedies;" (2) she filed an EEOC charge, and the EEOC decided there was nothing to this (in which case we're not worried); or (3) I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Under any of those circumstances, you guys will be happy... although... if it's (3), you'll just be happy because you get to make fun of me. :)
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Jenning's did file with the EEOC as did Moshak,Mason and Schlosser. To the best of my knowledge, I believe Jenning's lawyer recently stated that they were waiting on the EEOC's ruling, but he sounded confident that they would rule there are grounds for a suit.

In the case of Moshak and the others I'm kind of surprised there's been no determination. A couple of things here...Schlosser was let go in that last round of cuts AFTER the EEOC filing. I thought that was interesting because I figured that EEOC filing made those three UN-fireable...why would you fire someone who has filed a discrimination allegation? My take was that UT must feel like they have a really good case and that nothing would come of the EEOC complaint. Another thing I noticed and it may not be accurate now, but Moshak and Mason's salaries have been adjusted to that of their male counterparts. So, is it possible they had a change of heart and the EEOC filing is a non-issue?

Schlosser has a new job in Chicago.
Chicago's Newest Personal Trainer: Collin Schlosser | Chicago Strength Coach Blog
 
#54
#54
In short, the issue with Pat being "forced out" is a non-issue.

However much it hurts me to say this, if she did not want to step down, then she needed to be forced to do so. This disease is a crippling one and watching last year she had already lost so much. She wasn't much more than head coach emeritus last year, the assistants ran the team. I would not have been able to live with watching Pat run herself into the ground...
 
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Jackson_Harris said:
Come on guys....if you are Dave Hart, do you want to see this around the office every day....

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Or this?

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Case dismissed!!!
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Judgment in favor of the defense
 
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vol66 said:
Jenning's did file with the EEOC as did Moshak,Mason and Schlosser. To the best of my knowledge, I believe Jenning's lawyer recently stated that they were waiting on the EEOC's ruling, but he sounded confident that they would rule there are grounds for a suit.

In the case of Moshak and the others I'm kind of surprised there's been no determination. A couple of things here...Schlosser was let go in that last round of cuts AFTER the EEOC filing. I thought that was interesting because I figured that EEOC filing made those three UN-fireable...why would you fire someone who has filed a discrimination allegation? My take was that UT must feel like they have a really good case and that nothing would come of the EEOC complaint. Another thing I noticed and it may not be accurate now, but Moshak and Mason's salaries have been adjusted to that of their male counterparts. So, is it possible they had a change of heart and the EEOC filing is a non-issue?

Schlosser has a new job in Chicago.
Chicago's Newest Personal Trainer: Collin Schlosser | Chicago Strength Coach Blog
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Interesting, thanks. :hi:
 
#59
#59
It really suprises me how many of you have such a bass ackwards thought process on this issue...

A legend was forced out, before a NCAA tourney, before having the chance to really even make a single decision for herself about it...Hart didn't even give a 30+ year legend who bled orange all her life to have a single say in the matter. I would have had lesser issue with the matter had Hart given consideration to Pat, allowed her to consult with her physicians, friends, and family before giving her the preemptive boot. Had Pat come to him after the season and said, "I wanna coach.", had she been given that decency, and Hart said "No" at that point then I'd have much less of an issue with it.

We don't treat family of the orange nation like Hart did and get away with it. The way he let this go down was despicable.
 
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utkCREW said:
It really suprises me how many of you have such a bass ackwards thought process on this issue...

A legend was forced out, before a NCAA tourney, before having the chance to really even make a single decision for herself about it...Hart didn't even give a 30+ year legend who bled orange all her life to have a single say in the matter. I would have had lesser issue with the matter had Hart given consideration to Pat, allowed her to consult with her physicians, friends, and family before giving her the preemptive boot. Had Pat come to him after the season and said, "I wanna coach.", had she been given that decency, and Hart said "No" at that point then I'd have much less of an issue with it.

We don't treat family of the orange nation like Hart did and get away with it. The way he let this go down was despicable.
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So all of that equates to a discrimination suit?
 
#61
#61
I too was dubious until this morning when I saw that Pat Summit had put her word on the line against Hart, filing an affidavit with this woman. If Pat says there's some "there" there -- and that Hart basically lied about him firing her -- then that changes everything for me. The guy has to be dumber than a tater tot if he actually showed Pat Summit the door.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
there is a three year phase out plan of the Lady Vols logo.... I'm not a huge lady vols fan (ill watch the girls when they're playing a top 10 team and in the NCAA's, same with softball) but why phase the lady vols logo out? Because you don't want it on the men's bball court? sexist imo.
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Just out of curiousity, how many other programs have different branding for men's and women's sports?

I suspect that, after looking at the numbers, Hart figured the cost and effort required to support 2 logos wasn't worth the return it provided. It may not seem like a big deal but I bet even dealing with 2 different sets of stationary was a royal pain in the can. UTAD is basically a big company and little things like that can add up.

For the pro-logo crowd, what difference does it really make. It's all UT and I'm not sure I understand what is sexist about trying to reduce overhead. The regular UT logo is not the men's, it's the damn university's regardless of gender.
 
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#63
#63
Okay. Hiring underlings from Alabama clearly isn't working too well right now. I know the nature of the game is to get people from somewhere else, but we need UT people, not some one else's people. UT is losing its identity fast, and it's a damn shame.
 
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DenmarkVol said:
I too was dubious until this morning when I saw that Pat Summit had put her word on the line against Hart, filing an affidavit with this woman. If Pat says there's some "there" there -- and that Hart basically lied about him firing her -- then that changes everything for me. The guy has to be dumber than a tater tot if he actually showed Pat Summit the door.
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If he judged that, due to illness, she was no longer able to perform why would it be foolish to take action? It is a sad situation under every circumstance but pretending there's nothing wrong seems even more foolish and potentially crueler to Pat. From the little that has been leaked, it sounds like it could have been handled more responsibly but I think the net outcome is still correct. As for Jennings, she's got an agenda and is doing her damndest to try this thing in media. She's looking for a pay day and is selfishly using Pat's situation to add fuel to the fire and stir things up. Evidently it is working just fine.
 
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VolFanInHawaii said:
Okay. Hiring underlings from Alabama clearly isn't working too well right now. I know the nature of the game is to get people from somewhere else, but we need UT people, not some one else's people. UT is losing its identity fast, and it's a damn shame.
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Why is hiring a homer always the answer for everything for UT? If the ideal candidate was also a UT grad, great, I'm all for it but limiting our options to just UT folks is short-sighted at best. If trying to cut some fat on the budget (ie..the Vols Historian..etc,) is losing our identity then good riddance. It seems like our AD was full of folks that 'deserved' or were 'entitled to' a free ride and had supposedly 'earned' the right to one thing or another.

That is the parasite killing the host. Hart came in with a mandate to improve org efficiency and on the field performance yet people are *****ing every step of the way. I have no doubt Ole Debbie is pissed over losing her cushy job with a $95k salary and all the benefits. So are all the other folks that got canned over the past few years. That feeling is epidemic to most organizations that have long-tenured employees. they often become fat and happy and feel entitled to their position. Hell, Jennings even said Pat told her she had a job for life. Noooo, she didn't feel entitled and probably also said we need UT people because they appreciate the value of a tick.
 
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#66
#66
I hate to see Pat and her family get dragged into this thing. Debbie should have left her out--this is going to be ugly and painful for all sides and it didn't have to be.
 
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finn said:
Just out of curiousity, how many other programs have different branding for men's and women's sports?

I suspect that, after looking at the numbers, Hart figured the cost and effort required to support 2 logos wasn't worth the return it provided. It may not seem like a big deal but I bet even dealing with 2 different sets of stationary was a royal pain in the can. UTAD is basically a big company and little things like that can add up.

For the pro-logo crowd, what difference does it really make. It's all UT and I'm not sure I understand what is sexist about trying to reduce overhead. The regular UT logo is not the men's, it's the damn university's regardless of gender.
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Sorry but Whats this talk about "pro-logo"?

No idea what its about?
 
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HvilleCommando said:
Sorry but Whats this talk about "pro-logo"?

No idea what its about?
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Someone asks why keep the Lady Vols Logo? Because it raises more than a million dollars a year in sales. It is a trademarked licensed logo. More recogonizable to many than the power T. That is why it should be kept. It is a symbol of a Athletic program run with integrity, unlike the male side. That is another reason!
 
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finn said:
Just out of curiousity, how many other programs have different branding for men's and women's sports?

I suspect that, after looking at the numbers, Hart figured the cost and effort required to support 2 logos wasn't worth the return it provided. It may not seem like a big deal but I bet even dealing with 2 different sets of stationary was a royal pain in the can. UTAD is basically a big company and little things like that can add up.

For the pro-logo crowd, what difference does it really make. It's all UT and I'm not sure I understand what is sexist about trying to reduce overhead. The regular UT logo is not the men's, it's the damn university's regardless of gender.
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what is the cost to maintain a second logo? The men's side doesn't use just one either
 
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DeerPark12 said:
How do you have a hard time believing it's true when it comes directly out of Pat Summitt's mouth? When has she ever told a lie before?
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Did it?
If you read the whole article Pat said she misunderstood Hart in the first sit down..

There is two sides to every story.
 
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rocktopper16 said:
Did it?
If you read the whole article Pat said she misunderstood Hart in the first sit down..

There is two sides to every story.
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Pat's statement from the affidavit-

7. Unbeknownst to the individuals I shared this news with, Dave Hart spoke with me again, subsequent to March 14, 2012, one-on-one meeting, and indicated that I misinterpreted what he said.

Big difference to me.
 
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