Defense Wins Championships

[TucsonVol]

You said until Heupel recognizes that you need to get stops on defense. Do you realize that the bulk of this recruiting class has been used on defensive players? That looks like recognition to me. It also is an indicator that the issue is primarily the Jimmy and Joe's.

If that is the case maybe we need new defensive coaches??????

 

[VolMarine1371]

You mean the recruiting class that is ranked by 247Sports at 17th, 9th in the SEC; Rivals 13th, 7th in the SEC (Counting Texas and Oklahoma now) with 23 commitments. So, a "Top 10 team" that has this many needs and kids can see an opportunity of playing time has to recruit better. The staff changes that happen this over season need to include some elite recruiters get them Jimmy's and Joe's.

Mama said Footsball is from the Devil........

Your wrong about #17th slick!!!

 

[JoAllan]

The top 2 defensive teams this year

Air Force & Illinois

Iowa is 4th
Minnesota is 5th
Boise ST 6th
Iowa ST 7th

Only Michigan at 3rd won anything

Air Force 9-3 / 5-3 in Mountain West
Illinois 8-4 / 5-4 B-10 west (easy division)
Iowa 7-5 / 5-4 B-10 west
Minnesota 8-4 / 5-4 B-10 west
Boise ST 9-4 / 8-1 Mountain West
Iowa ST 4-8 / 1-8 B-12

Illinois
Air Force
Minnesota

Also 3 of the top 4 best scoring D’s in the country

probably a bunch of talent will win you a championship now days……..because just a super awesome defense WON’T

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I know our offense is fun to watch and we score alot of points. But until Huepel recognizes that you have to have a defense that can get a stop when you need it. This program won't rise to the top. I never believed we were a top 10 team and don't get me wrong it is by far the best team we have had in several years. Our safeties were out of position and took bad angles to the ball. Is that personnel or coaching? The same guy who is that position coach is also the DC. I listened to certain radio shows that said we kept playing people out of their normal position and asking them to do things that are their weakness not their strengths. That is a poor coaching. This is year 2 under Banks and our defense is just horrible. So, if he is going to stay, we need to bring in some elite recruiters. Because we will need to out recruit his and Willie's poor coaching skills.

So, is it Jimmy and Joe's or X's and O's that is our major issue?

And before you call me a troller or first-time poster etc etc etc. I have been on this page since back when Mr. Adams gave his after the game home party updates and JumpMaster was getting this thing started. I think it was called Gridiron. I just had to re-register because I changed email providers.

There have only been 2 people ever volunteer to die for you: Jesus Christ and the American G.I.

No it doesnt.....and it never has

Does Defense Really Win Championships? - Freakonomics

Take the time to read it.

 

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I know our offense is fun to watch and we score alot of points. But until Huepel recognizes that you have to have a defense that can get a stop when you need it. This program won't rise to the top. I never believed we were a top 10 team and don't get me wrong it is by far the best team we have had in several years. Our safeties were out of position and took bad angles to the ball. Is that personnel or coaching? The same guy who is that position coach is also the DC. I listened to certain radio shows that said we kept playing people out of their normal position and asking them to do things that are their weakness not their strengths. That is a poor coaching. This is year 2 under Banks and our defense is just horrible. So, if he is going to stay, we need to bring in some elite recruiters. Because we will need to out recruit his and Willie's poor coaching skills.

So, is it Jimmy and Joe's or X's and O's that is our major issue?

And before you call me a troller or first-time poster etc etc etc. I have been on this page since back when Mr. Adams gave his after the game home party updates and JumpMaster was getting this thing started. I think it was called Gridiron. I just had to re-register because I changed email providers.

There have only been 2 people ever volunteer to die for you: Jesus Christ and the American G.I.

PS

Do you have a clue how ridiculous you sound? We were one bad game from the playoffs in Year 2 after the dumpster fire the defensive guru left.

Im gonna guess that the day CJH was hired you made some big statements about how bad of a hire he was...his offense wont work in the SEC...gotta have defense cause papaw said defense wins championships.

Why not just enjoy the ride and stop trying to make your incorrect thought processes and verbal statements accurate by belittling the fantastic job CJH and company are doing?

 

[fossilfiction]

So, is it Jimmy and Joe's or X's and O's that is our major issue?

I think you are right, it's mostly Jimmy and Joe's, but it seems to be getting addressed more aggressively than you realize.
14 of Tennessee's 23 commits are defensive players. Outside of Lamaleava, the top four players are high four stars for the defense. A couple of good wins in the transfer portal can move the defense to serviceable and with the offense humming, that is enough to win it all.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I know our offense is fun to watch and we score alot of points. But until Huepel recognizes that you have to have a defense that can get a stop when you need it. This program won't rise to the top. I never believed we were a top 10 team and don't get me wrong it is by far the best team we have had in several years. Our safeties were out of position and took bad angles to the ball. Is that personnel or coaching? The same guy who is that position coach is also the DC. I listened to certain radio shows that said we kept playing people out of their normal position and asking them to do things that are their weakness not their strengths. That is a poor coaching. This is year 2 under Banks and our defense is just horrible. So, if he is going to stay, we need to bring in some elite recruiters. Because we will need to out recruit his and Willie's poor coaching skills.

So, is it Jimmy and Joe's or X's and O's that is our major issue?

And before you call me a troller or first-time poster etc etc etc. I have been on this page since back when Mr. Adams gave his after the game home party updates and JumpMaster was getting this thing started. I think it was called Gridiron. I just had to re-register because I changed email providers.

There have only been 2 people ever volunteer to die for you: Jesus Christ and the American G.I.

This is a stupid post

 

[BondJamesBond]

You should send this to the coaching staff. I bet it never occurred to Heupel that we need to be better on defense. Maybe you can talk some sense into him.

/bf

 

[G-boro Vol]

Pretty sure this is a message board where people post their opinions and ideas to share amongst the group. Maybe I’m mistaken on what this place is meant for. Apparently, opinions are not allowed anymore. How dare I contradict someone's belief. "Feelings" are everything. Please enlighten me on how I should post.

 

[Smokey7]

Fire Banks, hire Chavis

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Every sec team that has won the conference in nearly every year has a very talented defense. It really takes both but your not just going to outscore everybody in the sec without a good defense. Some act like they hate defense or dismiss it as important. That is foolish thinking. As offenses get better defenses adjust. Georgia would not where they are without their D. They have a very good and underrated O but make no mistake they are where they are because of D. GBO

 

[90 Vol]

 

[sjt18]

I know our offense is fun to watch and we score alot of points. But until Huepel recognizes that you have to have a defense that can get a stop when you need it. This program won't rise to the top.

So... you don't think Heupel knows the D is a weakness and prevented the team from winning the SEC and playing in the CFP? Do you really think that you're offering something novel here?

But your conclusion is not exactly right. With this O you don't necessarily need a D that can "get a stop when you need it". You need a D that can get more stops period. Limit drives by limiting 1st downs and 3rd down conversions. That gives your O the ball more... which widens the score... and means you don't need those "drama" situations when you have to stop a 4th and inches with 2 seconds left. To me... it is quite a bit better if you get four 3 and outs in the 1st qtr, build a 20 point lead, and never look back.

I never believed we were a top 10 team and don't get me wrong it is by far the best team we have had in several years. Our safeties were out of position and took bad angles to the ball. Is that personnel or coaching? The same guy who is that position coach is also the DC. I listened to certain radio shows that said we kept playing people out of their normal position and asking them to do things that are their weakness not their strengths. That is a poor coaching. This is year 2 under Banks and our defense is just horrible. So, if he is going to stay, we need to bring in some elite recruiters. Because we will need to out recruit his and Willie's poor coaching skills.

Not sure where you've been sleeping but this has been discussed a LOT. It is both. UT does not have ideal talent. Anyone who would argue that is delusional. But in the opinion of some of us Banks did not do all he could with the talent he had. You can't look at the USCe game and reasonably claim that UT doesn't have the personnel to have gotten some stops.

Yes. The Vols were/are thin at CB and asked natural safeties to play CB. That compounded the problems at safety and for the whole secondary. That's not what caused bad play calling at times. That's not what prevented UT from being more physical at the LOS most of the time. And if you should be able to do anything with a bunch of safeties... it is play a fairly tight zone that comes up strong against a QB who breaks the pocket.

So, is it Jimmy and Joe's or X's and O's that is our major issue?

Both. The reasonable debate is how you distribute each portion.

 

[sjt18]

Every sec team that has won the conference in nearly every year has a very talented defense. It really takes both but your not just going to outscore everybody in the sec without a good defense. Some act like they hate defense or dismiss it as important. That is foolish thinking. As offenses get better defenses adjust. Georgia would not where they are without their D. They have a very good and underrated O but make no mistake they are where they are because of D. GBO

I actually like good D.

But some act as if there is only one formula to win. With a mediocre D, UT might have won the SEC and would have been in the CFP. They didn't need a great D. They just needed a D that are various, critical times... didn't suck badly. UT was close enough though that you can't paint a dividing line based on the Vols' performance. Do you have to be UGA or even real close? No. But you have to be able to limit points and get off the field to give your O a chance to control the game. When UT could do that even at a minimal level this year, they won. When they couldn't... they lost.

 

[JRobbins]

Yes. you need a good defense to win a championship. I don't think that was an oversight this year. I think at this stage you have the players you have. They had the components to run a great offense. We didn't have the components for an elite defense (though I thought they had some great moments this year). We had a great season. Hopefully we get some more pieces next year and find another way to have a great season.

 

[JoAllan]

Every sec team that has won the conference in nearly every year has a very talented defense. It really takes both but your not just going to outscore everybody in the sec without a good defense. Some act like they hate defense or dismiss it as important. That is foolish thinking. As offenses get better defenses adjust. Georgia would not where they are without their D. They have a very good and underrated O but make no mistake they are where they are because of D. GBO

I don’t think most folks “hate” defense.

We simply realize where Tennessee came from. Just 2 seasons ago Tennessee had their worst in our lifetime. Everything was broken, 36 players transferred, new coaches, NCAA investigation……….and Heupel starting from scratch.

Heupel could not do what he has done with “defense.” Not this quickly, with the personnel he had.

Of course Heupel wants his team to have a good D. Of course fans would love for Tennessee to be better and also have a good D. However this takes more time and talent……..for now 10-2 with O is pretty good.

 

[Maybe next year]

I know our offense is fun to watch and we score alot of points. But until Huepel recognizes that you have to have a defense that can get a stop when you need it. This program won't rise to the top. I never believed we were a top 10 team and don't get me wrong it is by far the best team we have had in several years. Our safeties were out of position and took bad angles to the ball. Is that personnel or coaching? The same guy who is that position coach is also the DC. I listened to certain radio shows that said we kept playing people out of their normal position and asking them to do things that are their weakness not their strengths. That is a poor coaching. This is year 2 under Banks and our defense is just horrible. So, if he is going to stay, we need to bring in some elite recruiters. Because we will need to out recruit his and Willie's poor coaching skills.

So, is it Jimmy and Joe's or X's and O's that is our major issue?

And before you call me a troller or first-time poster etc etc etc. I have been on this page since back when Mr. Adams gave his after the game home party updates and JumpMaster was getting this thing started. I think it was called Gridiron. I just had to re-register because I changed email providers.

There have only been 2 people ever volunteer to die for you: Jesus Christ and the American G.I.

Look at our current commitments, I feel the issues with the defense is recognized and being addressed.
For your last statement Thank You to both!!

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I actually like good D.

But some act as if there is only one formula to win. With a mediocre D, UT might have won the SEC and would have been in the CFP. They didn't need a great D. They just needed a D that are various, critical times... didn't suck badly. UT was close enough though that you can't paint a dividing line based on the Vols' performance. Do you have to be UGA or even real close? No. But you have to be able to limit points and get off the field to give your O a chance to control the game. When UT could do that even at a minimal level this year, they won. When they couldn't... they lost.

I just like to have the best D possible just like O. Why settle for average to good when you can do better. And we can and will do better. GBO. You should always try to be your best at both as neither are always a given and in the sec at times your going to be able to depend on each other and that is a fact. Why settle on either side of the ball. GBO

 

[BDP!]

They were asked to do that because they were the only options. Our DBs rank 13th out of 14 SEC teams in terms of talent because Pruitt failed to recruit talented dbs.

So yes, we had to play safeties at corner because we have no corners to play

Correct

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I don’t think most folks “hate” defense.

We simply realize where Tennessee came from. Just 2 seasons ago Tennessee had their worst in our lifetime. Everything was broken, 36 players transferred, new coaches, NCAA investigation……….and Heupel starting from scratch.

Heupel could not do what he has done with “defense.” Not this quickly, with the personnel he had.

Of course Heupel wants his team to have a good D. Of course fans would love for Tennessee to be better and also have a good D. However this takes more time and talent……..for now 10-2 with O is pretty good.

I agree he has come along way. I know Heupel wants and will have a better D. I was responding to specific comments made by a few that all we need is a mediocre defense. I am just saying I don’t think Heupel, Banks or Garner are wanting to settle on a mediocre defense. We will have a top notch D, we are addressing our problems in recruiting which is going to continue to be strong. It won’t be long till we are very talented on both sides of the ball. GBO

 

[VOLtaism]

I know our offense is fun to watch and we score alot of points. But until Huepel recognizes that you have to have a defense that can get a stop when you need it. This program won't rise to the top. I never believed we were a top 10 team and don't get me wrong it is by far the best team we have had in several years. Our safeties were out of position and took bad angles to the ball. Is that personnel or coaching? The same guy who is that position coach is also the DC. I listened to certain radio shows that said we kept playing people out of their normal position and asking them to do things that are their weakness not their strengths. That is a poor coaching. This is year 2 under Banks and our defense is just horrible. So, if he is going to stay, we need to bring in some elite recruiters. Because we will need to out recruit his and Willie's poor coaching skills.

So, is it Jimmy and Joe's or X's and O's that is our major issue?

And before you call me a troller or first-time poster etc etc etc. I have been on this page since back when Mr. Adams gave his after the game home party updates and JumpMaster was getting this thing started. I think it was called Gridiron. I just had to re-register because I changed email providers.

There have only been 2 people ever volunteer to die for you: Jesus Christ and the American G.I.

I think Huepel has that figured out by looking at his top recruits. What the defensive staff did over the last 2 years with the talent they inherited is nothing short of a miracle. They made bricks without straw week after week. I never want to go back to discussing how we can possible get enough points on the board to win, back then the magic number was 24.

Offense gets you to Miami!

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

I think Huepel has that figured out by looking at his top recruits. What the defensive staff did over the last 2 years with the talent they inherited is nothing short of a miracle. They made bricks without straw week after week. I never want to go back to discussing how we can possible get enough points on the board to win, back then the magic number was 24.

Offense gets you to Miami!

And a better D will get us over the top. My points have not been about Heupel. I know he wants a great D as well. We need and can be good at both. My comments are directed at the few that think and act like we just need a mediocre defense that it will be good enough. I am no more interested in settling for a mediocre defense than I am a mediocre offense. I know our our coaches want more that and we will achieve better than that. We have actually played pretty tough on D despite being thin in the secondary and not very deep at linebacker. Help is coming.GBO!

 

[Ovol]

No wonder our DBs sucked. Banks thought Willie was their position coach and all along it was supposed to be the DC Coaching them.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Pretty sure this is a message board where people post their opinions and ideas to share amongst the group. Maybe I’m mistaken on what this place is meant for. Apparently, opinions are not allowed anymore. How dare I contradict someone's belief. "Feelings" are everything. Please enlighten me on how I should post.

Why don’t you name the ten teams you think are better than Tennessee

 

[BLUTickbusdriver]

I know our offense is fun to watch and we score alot of points. But until Huepel recognizes that you have to have a defense that can get a stop when you need it. This program won't rise to the top. I never believed we were a top 10 team and don't get me wrong it is by far the best team we have had in several years. Our safeties were out of position and took bad angles to the ball. Is that personnel or coaching? The same guy who is that position coach is also the DC. I listened to certain radio shows that said we kept playing people out of their normal position and asking them to do things that are their weakness not their strengths. That is a poor coaching. This is year 2 under Banks and our defense is just horrible. So, if he is going to stay, we need to bring in some elite recruiters. Because we will need to out recruit his and Willie's poor coaching skills.

So, is it Jimmy and Joe's or X's and O's that is our major issue?

And before you call me a troller or first-time poster etc etc etc. I have been on this page since back when Mr. Adams gave his after the game home party updates and JumpMaster was getting this thing started. I think it was called Gridiron. I just had to re-register because I changed email providers.

There have only been 2 people ever volunteer to die for you: Jesus Christ and the American G.I.

It’s simple really. We lack speed on the Defense. This highlights our DBs being out of position and taking bad angles, bc they get schooled, because they can’t error correct bc they are slow. Further, it is the genesis for them being out of position…it’s why we line up 12 yds off the line of scrimmage in zone most times, bc we are trying to mitigate this weakness. It’s why we don’t bump and run or play press/man coverages, it’s why we are predictable and easy to read by opposing QBs; hence, it’s the Jimmy’s and Joes. Speed is what we need all over the defense! GBO.