Defensive debate and recruiting (split from Dawson thread)

#26
#26
Somebody brought up the 4-2-5 defense next year and it doesnt sound like a bad idea. In fact TCU is running this defense. Our LB's are definitely going to be our weak spot and if we can play just Lathers and King/Vereen/Johnson it would allow our defense to play very fast...

Brewer is a big kid and can easily put on 10-15 LB's. He could play closer to the box at 220 LBs.

That would leave us with Janzen in center field, Loften/Moore assuming we get 1 of them as a rover type, and Teague/Gordon/Waggner at the corner spots.

Should be fun to see what Wilcox comes up with as he knows our personel now, and knows what they can and can't do.

We will have plenty of depth up front and Jacques comes off the ball so fast, I look for him to be a terror next year.

The only way our defense is bad next year is if Janzen does something stupid and gets kicked off the team.
 
#27
#27
m1al said:
J it's useless to even try with him... He has a continuous flow of urine into his Corn Flakes... My only wish is that the ignore function worked on quotes...
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Sgm=slurping grandpa monte
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#29
#29
SGMVols said:
Ole Miss won 9 games and Virginia Tech won 11 last year. This year, UT's defense got shredded by a 4-8 UAB team and a Georgia team that couldn't beat Colorado and finished with a losing season.
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Exactly. But don't use facts here. Everyone loves our average at best DC, that was already looking for coaches to take with him to Texas.
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#30
#30
jmoore_21 said:
I'm guessing that has nothing to do with this team not having 2 1st round draft picks in Eric Berry & Dan Williams, having a solid CB in Dennis Rogan, having a solid LB in Rico McCoy, & actual serviceable DT's.

This years team had a OL turned DT starting in a few games, a walk-on DT that weighed less than 260, a 23 yr old True Freshmen SS that had'nt played football in 4 years, 2 1st year starters at CB, a S turned CB getting meaningful snaps, having 2 of the best DL go down in fall practice with season ending injuries. A DE turned DT mid-season.

Yea let's just forget about all of that & just say Tennessee had 1st round draft picks all across the board.
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#31
#31
VoL BaLL 777 said:
Exactly. But don't use facts here. Everyone loves our average at best DC, that was already looking for coaches to take with him to Texas.
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The talent was totally different. Our average DC this year was no worse than our average DC last year who had better talent.
 
#32
#32
VoL BaLL 777 said:
Exactly. But don't use facts here. Everyone loves our average at best DC, that was already looking for coaches to take with him to Texas.
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Speaking of facts, has this been proven to be fact?
 
#33
#33
VoL BaLL 777 said:
Exactly. But don't use facts here. Everyone loves our average at best DC, that was already looking for coaches to take with him to Texas.
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That's right because it's all on the DC. It has absolutely nothing to do with the obvious size and speed disadvantage on the field. :birgits_giggle:
 
#34
#34
VoL BaLL 777 said:
Exactly. But don't use facts here. Everyone loves our average at best DC, that was already looking for coaches to take with him to Texas.
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Facts, you want facts? Ok

That average at best DC had this defense cause more sacks this year than good ole Monte did last year, he had this defense have more INTS than any team since 1999. & thats with one of the most depleted defenses in UT history.
 
#35
#35
Me thinks the 'mod barber' may be sharpening his scissors... Gettin' it ready for a little trim..
 
#36
#36
jmoore_21 said:
Facts, you want facts? Ok

That average at best DC had this defense cause more sacks this year than good ole Monte did last year, he had this defense have more INTS than any team since 1999. & thats with one of the most depleted defenses in UT history.
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Good thing those sacks and picks kept us from finishing in the bottom half of D-1 in total defense. Oh, wait.
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#37
#37
SGMVols said:
Good thing those sacks and picks kept us from finishing in the bottom half of D-1 in total defense. Oh, wait.
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You are ignoring the fact that we didnt have half the talent we did last year, oh wait.... thats what I'd expect from you.
 
#38
#38
If Monte is so great why did that team get put in the Ole Miss record books while this team slaughtered them? If we're just going by stats SGM?
 
#39
#39
Kind of a pointless argument. SGM you are lying if you think we had as much talent this year as last, with less talent you can't be expected to perform as you would with better talent. We will see what Wilcox can do when he gets the talent he wants. I'm not saying he will be a great one but at least give him a chance.:eek:k:
 
#40
#40
jmoore_21 said:
Facts, you want facts? Ok

That average at best DC had this defense cause more sacks this year than good ole Monte did last year, he had this defense have more INTS than any team since 1999. & thats with one of the most depleted defenses in UT history.
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Solid.
 
#41
#41
SGMVols said:
Good thing those sacks and picks kept us from finishing in the bottom half of D-1 in total defense. Oh, wait.
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Look at the lack of talent on the defense. Wilcox can only do so much when we dont have the size, speed, or talent to keep up with sec offenses. I think he did a good job for the situation we are in.
 
#42
#42
SGMVols said:
Last year, we were 17th in the nation in total defense. This year, we weren't in the top half of FBS in that category.
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I took it as we didn't have nearly the talent from last year but still had more sacks and int's. I don't think he was saying the defense as a whole was much better this year...
 
#45
#45
VOLFREAK11 said:
Kind of a pointless argument. SGM you are lying if you think we had as much talent this year as last, with less talent you can't be expected to perform as you would with better talent. We will see what Wilcox can do when he gets the talent he wants. I'm not saying he will be a great one but at least give him a chance.:eek:k:
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Hey ,SGM still has dreams about him and the kiffins being as one.He will defend them until he dies.
 
#46
#46
jmoore_21 said:
We had more sacks this year than we did last year with all mighty Orgeron, & dont forget a 1st round draft pick in Dan Williams & a solid DT in Wes Brown.

We had the most INT's in 1 season since 1999, yet we had Eric Berry, Dennis Rogan, & Monte last year. We started a 23 year old true freshmen at SS & 2 1st year startes at CB in Gordon & Teague.

Yet everyone wants to complain about Wilcox :no:
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This is true but it doesn't tell the whole story. His 3rd down defense is shaky and you can say what you want about the players and lack of talent but when you rush 3and have a DE covering a TE or RB, something is wrong.

I think he wil be good once the players are in tune with what he is doing and upgrade the talent...specifically at LB.
 
#47
#47
SGMVols said:
Good thing those sacks and picks kept us from finishing in the bottom half of D-1 in total defense. Oh, wait.
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Get a grip on reality, man. Overall, we've got MTSU or Vandy type talent on our defense. You honestly think Vereen would be getting minutes at a big SEC program with the way he has underachieved the past few years? No.
 
#48
#48
GahLee said:
This is true but it doesn't tell the whole story. His 3rd down defense is shaky and you can say what you want about the players and lack of talent but when you rush 3and have a DE covering a TE or RB, something is wrong.

I think he wil be good once the players are in tune with what he is doing and upgrade the talent...specifically at LB.
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If we had more than 3 capable DB's on the team we would be running dime packages & you wouldnt be seeing LB's & DE's covering a TE or RB.

I dont think Wilcox was able to run a dime package all year.
 
#49
#49
Actually, I didn't mean talent level. We have some talented freshmen, but freshmen aren't expected to come in and contribute right away. Nor is a season DE supposed to make the switch to DT midseason. What has happened to our defense this season is not the norm.
 
#50
#50
lylsmorr said:
Get a grip on reality, man. Overall, we've got MTSU or Vandy type talent on our defense. You honestly think Vereen would be getting minutes at a big SEC program with the way he has underachieved the past few years? No.
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This is ignorant.

You give one example and expect that to stick?

We have a number of good players for us, just no depth, to say we have MTSU/Vandy type talent on defense is just an absurd statement.

Maybe MTSU/Vandy type depth...maybe.
 
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