Defensive debate and recruiting (split from Dawson thread)

[justingroves]

That is true, we can agree on the overall talent compared to years past, that is not deniable.

I guess I'm still on the fence due to not having seen everything yet. Schematically I wasn't blown away with what he did, that could be personnel, that could be how he rolls, hopefully we will get to see what his D looks like at 100%.

The schemes were what they were because Tennessee didn't have the bodies to run a dime defense. He didn't have the guys to run a nickel until Waggner was moved over.

 

[scvol@upstate]

those three lit alot of people up[/QU Exactly!
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[zjcvols]

How can we praise how great Wilcox was after watching Shaun Draughns run for 170 yards Thursday?

 

[Incipient]

How can we praise how great Wilcox was after watching Shaun Draughns run for 170 yards Thursday?

Because apart from the two-minute defense and Draughns' one big run, our defense completely shut them down. Yeah, those are definitely flaws, and they really hurt, but the majority of the game, UNC got nothing. They scored 3 points in the second half, and that was aided by 48 yards on a hotly debated call. That's good defense.

 

[Joe Vols]

Somebody brought up the 4-2-5 defense next year and it doesnt sound like a bad idea. In fact TCU is running this defense. Our LB's are definitely going to be our weak spot and if we can play just Lathers and King/Vereen/Johnson it would allow our defense to play very fast...

Brewer is a big kid and can easily put on 10-15 LB's. He could play closer to the box at 220 LBs.

That would leave us with Janzen in center field, Loften/Moore assuming we get 1 of them as a rover type, and Teague/Gordon/Waggner at the corner spots.

Should be fun to see what Wilcox comes up with as he knows our personel now, and knows what they can and can't do.

We will have plenty of depth up front and Jacques comes off the ball so fast, I look for him to be a terror next year.

The only way our defense is bad next year is if Janzen does something stupid and gets kicked off the team.

You have to have 2 stud LB's to run this D effectively. Have you've seen TCU's LBs play? They are aggressive and nasty.

 

[lylsmorr]

This is ignorant.

You give one example and expect that to stick?

We have a number of good players for us, just no depth, to say we have MTSU/Vandy type talent on defense is just an absurd statement.

Maybe MTSU/Vandy type depth...maybe.

I'm guessing you missed my later post
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[n_gerard07]

I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out and I don't care to read this whole thread but... If bray hadn't become our starting quarterback people would be screaming to get rid of our OC. Now that we have bray, we realize he wasn't bad at all. He just didn't have the personnel to do what he wanted. I think the same is true for wilcox. Let him get some talent, and more importantly some speed, and let's see what he can do. We could've had a way worse defense this year...

post script. We would have killed Michigan if we had got that game. North Carolina wasn't bad at all.

 

[volstuff37641]

Exactly. But don't use facts here. Everyone loves our average at best DC, that was already looking for coaches to take with him to Texas.
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alright big boy,you brought it up,now,show your proof,
provide a link about this stuff that CJW was looking for coaches to take with him.probley the only thing you can prove is that you can open your big mouth and talk about thing that you have no idea about.:crazy:

 

[m1al]

alright big boy,you brought it up,now,show your proof,
provide a link about this stuff that CJW was looking for coaches to take with him.probley the only thing you can prove is that you can open your big mouth and talk about thing that you have no idea about.:crazy:

Don't waste your breath.. I asked him earlier if this was fact since he supposedly likes them so much and got no answer.. He was carrying SGM's water and talkin out of his a$$...

 

[zjcvols]

Because apart from the two-minute defense and Draughns' one big run, our defense completely shut them down. Yeah, those are definitely flaws, and they really hurt, but the majority of the game, UNC got nothing. They scored 3 points in the second half, and that was aided by 48 yards on a hotly debated call. That's good defense.

I don't think that they played terrible. I don't think it was as good as you mention it. UNC kind of hurt themselves too. They dropped two first downs in the 2nd half close to their side of the 50. Not too mention that (again) we got killed by a 2 minute drive. While that 15 yard penalty didn't help, he was still wide open.

Did the defense improve during the last few weeks? Yes. Did the competition greatly decrease over the last few weeks? Yes. It's still early to tell. If I had to give him a grade, I'd give him a C, but that's just me.

 

[VolFanNC09]

I am giving all the coaches a pass for 2010. I want to see some improvement next year, we should have more depth and this is the second year in the system. My expectations are top 5 in SEC on D next year.

 

[WeldVol]

really hard to tell much until we have a legitimate senior class.....but speculation is a lot of fun....i am more positive than negative...

 

[Incipient]

I don't think that they played terrible. I don't think it was as good as you mention it. UNC kind of hurt themselves too. They dropped two first downs in the 2nd half close to their side of the 50. Not too mention that (again) we got killed by a 2 minute drive. While that 15 yard penalty didn't help, he was still wide open.

Did the defense improve during the last few weeks? Yes. Did the competition greatly decrease over the last few weeks? Yes. It's still early to tell. If I had to give him a grade, I'd give him a C, but that's just me.

UNC was certainly not flawless, but you have to look at results. The two-minute defense needs a ton of work, but it's the only thing keeping the MCB from being an A+ defensive performance. Apart from that, we gave up ONE scoring drive of more than 0 yards. Overall, I'd give the defensive performance a solid B at worst. We held UNC below their average and held them to only 3 points in the second half. The two-minute drill was horrendous, but it doesn't totally negate the rest of the game. And I do think it will improve when we don't have two guys starting in the secondary who are in their first year at the position.

Also, I'd like to note that the decrease in competition comes into play more when judging our offense than our defense. Kentucky (#26) was the third best offense we faced all year (#1 Oregon, #23 Alabama). Ole Miss (#43) and North Carolina (#51) ranked above Georgia (#56), Florida (#81), and LSU (#88). The fact that the overall teams were not as good stems purely from the defenses not being as good. But we held Kentucky, Ole Miss, and UNC to half the points we held a lesser offense in Athens, and 11+ less than we held an abysmal Florida attack.

edit: Also, regarding the pass completion, I was referring to the catch at all, not the penalty. I watched the replays when I got home, and he pretty clearly didn't catch it. If that's called correctly, I'll wager the defense has a second half shutout.

 

[VolsFan1998]

At the end of the day it comes down to this. The defense for as bad as it was or as good as it was. Had a new defensive coordinator and not a lot of depth. They helped this team to an on field 8-5 record. That is actual on field performance. It was the officials and the danged instant replay which was not supposed to determine penalties and how much time should be on the clock that killed this season. Had the zebras actually known the NCAA rules they would never have aloud LSU or UNC snap the ball until the defense was aloud to make it's substitutions if any needed to be made. I know this sounds like sour grapes but I'd rather lose on a game ending TD or FG. Not have a win taken away by an official that decided that the spike happened with one second on the clock so that is how much time should be on the clock. No the play continues until the whistle is blown. I say great job defense you showed a lot of heart this year. GBO!!!

 

[Nashvol2]

Overall the defense as a whole played well. People were hard on the LB's this year but overall they played really well and so did our secondary. I swear I don't think half the people on here have ever played the game. With an undersized D line there taking a lot of the brunt of the run blocking. Poor explanation, but I think most can figure it out. Kudos to D line too. Really only one true D tackle. Malik played great though. Hughes had his moments, but was keyed on many times. Hughes played with a lot of intensity in bowl game.

I would say this is a safe assumption. Most people don't understand the games within the game and how technique effects them and the overall game. Each one on one matchup is critical and effects the whole team.