Delta Variant

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Septic said:
Because what you said had both distinction and difference from what the physician said. You tried to dress it up by making it sound worse than it was, e.g. "we will, all die." Otherwise, you could have just cited her exact statement which was far more subjective than your very literal twist.

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So in other words, no reason. The doctor said if you don’t choose the vaccine you choose death. That’s not subjective, you just choose for whatever reason to try and minimize it and defend it. It’s probably because you are one of the simple minded who have fallen for her bulls***. Fear mongering by these doctors, the gov, and the media should be getting called out, not defended.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Literally, almost every single point in the above is actually incorrect.
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If you are indeed a doctor please enlighten us then. I haven’t made this up, simply repeating what I have read and had explained to me by doctors other than yourself. My interest is the truth
 
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walkenvol said:
Not sure how you expect there to be current data on future predictions made by the folks educated in the field of infectious diseases?

Also, it’s been widely published that immunities left in the body after recovering from being infected with the virus appear to have a relatively short shelf life so the 60% you referred to is not considered that high by the folks who know way more than myself.
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you claimed something is likely, then say you are citing experts - who is saying that it's likely we are going to see a variant that will be resistant to current vaccines?

widely published? surely you can provide some example that of this short shelf life.
 
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I can’t take you serious when it has been regularly in the news that you can be reinfected after having the virus.
 
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VolStrom said:
So what you're saying because something like 75% of the world's population hasn't gotten vaccinated then we're screwed because it will mutate forever.
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Just like the regular flu, the common cold, Herpes (not AOC)...
 
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walkenvol said:
Maybe I can help you understand. This virus much like the flu virus mutates if it has many hosts to spread between. Today’s vaccines that about 1/2 of adults in the US have taken were designed for the original Covid virus. That Virus has already mutated into the Delta variant which is currently thought to be more aggressive and deadly than the original variant. Fortunately, the existing vaccines are proving to be fairly effective against the Delta variant also. If 1/2 of the country remains as viable hosts from being unvaccinated then the virus is likely to continue to mutate with the real possibility a future variant won’t be effected by the current vaccines. Then the entire nation would have to start over with a new vaccine (assuming one will be created in a timely manner). Without hosts to spread between the virus won’t be nearly as likely to mutate. Hope this helps.
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And that right there is another point of contention. Usually, when viruses like this mutate through the population, they get weaker but more easier to spread (all based on the idea that the virus doesn't want to kill the host or else it will burn out far too quickly). To the contrary, we are being told that it behaves in the opposite manner.

Two things, in my opinion, explains this. Either they are lying about these variants or the vaccine is the source of the variants.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And that right there is another point of contention. Usually, when viruses like this mutate through the population, they get weaker but more easier to spread (all based on the idea that the virus doesn't want to kill the host or else it will burn out far too quickly). To the contrary, we are being told that it behaves in the opposite manner.

Two things, in my opinion, explains this. Either they are lying about these variants or the vaccine is the source of the variants.
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This virus has no reason to evolve to be less deadly. It is easily spread and not very deadly. Even the newest variant isn't very deadly. No reason for it to evolve to be less deadly.
 
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volinbham said:
widely published? surely you can provide some example that of this short shelf life.
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Yea, I'm not so sure about that. I've been trying to follow how Covid recovered people fare.

Literally the first link on the google search.....

Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime
People who recover from mild COVID-19 have bone-marrow cells that can churn out antibodies for decades, although viral variants could dampen some of the protection they offer.

Many people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 will probably make antibodies against the virus for most of their lives. So suggest researchers who have identified long-lived antibody-producing cells in the bone marrow of people who have recovered from COVID-191.

The study provides evidence that immunity triggered by SARS-CoV-2 infection will be extraordinarily long-lasting. Adding to the good news, “the implications are that vaccines will have the same durable effect”, says Menno van Zelm, an immunologist at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia.
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Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime
 
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Jxn Vol said:
Tell him to move to Michigan or California. They will probably have forced vaccinations before the red states. But don’t bring granny along. They will kill her a$$ in the nursing home.
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There is no way they can pull that s*** in Michigan. It’s about 50/50 Republican and Democrat here and Whitmer is up for election in 2022.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Actually, the jury is still out on that.
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Depends on what jury you talking about. A lunatic fringe jury is always with us. It says Covid is a hoax, but "be skirred" of the vaccine. A jury from leading scientists in the field of immunology continue to report excellent numbers for the vaccine's safety and effectiveness. Mortality reports claim that 99% of Covid deaths now are persons who are not vaccinated.
 
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BisonVol said:
Every adult has had the opportunity to get the vaccine at this point. The majority of those who have yet to get it probably have no intention of getting it any time soon. I think everyone, physicians included, should accept that it's time to stop begging people and stop trying to scare people into getting the vaccine like Dr. O'Neal is doing here and others have done.

Let events unfold and, as with anything else in life, let people deal with the consequences of the choices they make, whether they be good or bad.
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Let those who are not vaccinated take their chances. Do you feel lucky?? Sure hope you do; your life might well depend on it....
 
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CNN reporting that over 60% of new hospital admissions for C19 in England are fully vaccinated persons. Not sure why the hell I got this. You can still wind up in the hospital, which means you can still die from it. Plus, we've got various localities rushing to reimplement all the masking and distancing requirements without regard to vaccination status. Whole thing is a cluster.
 
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tpsdave said:
Let those who are not vaccinated take their chances. Do you feel lucky?? Sure hope you do; your life might well depend on it....
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If that's what they want to do, yes. I wanted to get the vaccine, so I got it. If someone else doesn't want it, they shouldn't have to get it. That's their choice to make wouldn't you say? Or would you rather the .gov make the choice for them?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
CNN reporting that over 60% of new hospital admissions for C19 in England are fully vaccinated persons. Not sure why the hell I got this. You can still wind up in the hospital, which means you can still die from it. Plus, we've got various localities rushing to reimplement all the masking and distancing requirements without regard to vaccination status. Whole thing is a cluster.
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
CNN reporting that over 60% of new hospital admissions for C19 in England are fully vaccinated persons. Not sure why the hell I got this. You can still wind up in the hospital, which means you can still die from it. Plus, we've got various localities rushing to reimplement all the masking and distancing requirements without regard to vaccination status. Whole thing is a cluster.
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Recipe of Disaster: Take 3 cups of typical governemental incompetence, add 3 cups of politics, 3 cups of more power and control and you get this turd.

And these are the ones you want in charge of anything in your life, much less healthcare choices...effin please.
 
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