Democrats are starting to panic

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So you believe their stance to be wrong, they change the stance to closer to yours and then you accuse them of pandering?
 
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utvolpj said:
So you believe their stance to be wrong, they change the stance to closer to yours and then you accuse them of pandering?
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I believe the issue here is that they only changed their stance once they realized that it was an unmitigated disaster, and unpopular with almost everyone. This was an outcome that anyone with a room temperature IQ could see. This was never about doing the right thing with them, it was about doing what would get them more votes. Hence, pandering.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I cannot readily recall the Republicans EVER doing a complete 180 degree turn on a key policy stance in an 18 month period like this, but……sure
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Remember the anti-war Republicans the past few years? Parts of the GOP went from kick ass Neocons to straight Libertarian when it came to places like Afghanistan and Syria.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I believe the issue here is that they only changed their stance once they realized that it was an unmitigated disaster, and unpopular with almost everyone. This was an outcome that anyone with a room temperature IQ could see. This was never about doing the right thing with them, it was about doing what would get them for more votes. Hence, pandering.
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can be applied to almost any politician's stance

Link to them admitting it was a disaster? You're assigning reasons based on your own personal belief or bias. Simple answer is they changed and the right is getting upset they can't hold it over heads anymore
 
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utvolpj said:
can be applied to almost any politician's stance

Link to them admitting it was a disaster? You're assigning reasons based on your own personal belief or bias.
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I agree with your first statement. As for your second, you don’t need a link. You need only to listen to the voices of the people who live in the cities where the defund the police movement was enacted. I’m not assigning reasons, I am assigning blame. And I am assigning it exactly where it belongs.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I agree with your first statement. As for your second, you don’t need a link. You need only to listen to the voices of the people who live in the cities where the defund the police movement was enacted. I’m not assigning reasons, I am assigning blame. And I am assigning it exactly where it belongs.
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You're still ascribing a reason that may or may not be true. You just want it to be
 
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utvolpj said:
You're still ascribing a reason that may or may not be true. You just want it to be
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Well, let me ask you this: if the Democrats have changed their stance on defunding the police, then was it because they realize they have made a mistake and they are trying to fix it, or is it because they realize they are losing voters by the bus load? It must be one or the other, right?
 
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hog88 said:
It just goes to show that it was never about the science.
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Most politicians are lawyers which means they never took an actual science class past HS. I don't think very many did much more than read a statement and fall in line

Probably never took an econ class either
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Well, let me ask you this: if the Democrats have changed their stance on defunding the police, then was it because they realize they have made a mistake and they are trying to fix it, or is it because they realize they are losing voters by the bus load? It must be one or the other, right?
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If you believe they are simply pandering then there's only one answer. I don't think we know which is why I find the accusations laughable
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I agree with your first statement. As for your second, you don’t need a link. You need only to listen to the voices of the people who live in the cities where the defund the police movement was enacted. I’m not assigning reasons, I am assigning blame. And I am assigning exactly where it belongs.
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I live in (well, really in the independent county next to) one of those cities, and moved out of the city precisely as a result of the majority black council and black police chief throwing the police force under the bus, cutting their pay, preventing them from practicing policing of actual crimes, and publicly denouncing them despite virtually no record of the local force practicing any of the things that triggered the BLM "protests" (insurrections).

Predictably, crimes in the downtown area have skyrocketed, we're way outpacing gun violence and petty crime/shoplifting records, and my wife especially felt extremely unsafe living near downtown as crime spread through even the "safest" and wealthiest parts of the city. The defund the police stuff was a disaster that empowered criminals to keep preying on people, and despite the council trying to walk it back and pouring money into raises for police officers the damage is done. This city of 100k is operating with maybe 40-50 officers (according to what I hear from a very trusted contact in the city) and academy classes of 5-6 officers at most, twice a year (if they can fill it out).
 
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