Democrats have not Compromised/Broken Ranks in at least 50 years

[happy-go_vol]

Wrong. Republican congress + Republican POTUS has 100% been a spending disaster.

D POTUS + R congress > R POTUS + R congress = D POTUS + D congress = R POTUS + D congress

I didn't say it wasn't, but you'll never see more 3 dims try to lower spending. There are way more Republicans that try to curb spending than any of your party

 

[happy-go_vol]

I don't think we'll disagree about the talking points involved, but that's not how I look at it.

I have an extremely strong moral conviction that my $ should not go to drone bombings that cause collateral damage and kill innocents. However, if I want to live and work in America, that's what's going to happen. I compromise this moral by existing here. I could go to some other country, but then I'm just going to find them doing different immoral things with my $. I could go off the grid and not pay taxes, but I don't want to live that way. So then I guess you would think I'm dedicating my life to fighting this issue, but I'm not. I am compromising my morals just trying to live in society.

you need a friend

 

[OrangeTsar]

Dude, you're trying to apply her quote to a narrow question when her quote is meant for broad application, which is what I'm mocking. There is nothing wrong with trying to do that, but in no way does it defend the quote from my critique.

I am basically (at least attempting) responding to what I take to be the basic premise of the thread; that Democrats refuse meaningful compromise while Republicans seem to always cave on what should be core principles. I am trying to make the point that Republicans shouldn’t do this because they are in effect compromising with evil, which is what I believe Ms Rand was criticizing.
Does that help clarify my position?

 

[OrangeTsar]

Lol, you need a friend

Don’t we all?

 

[happy-go_vol]

I am basically (at least attempting) responding to what I take to be the basic premise of the thread; that Democrats refuse meaningful compromise while Republicans seem to always cave on what should be core principles. I am trying to make the point that Republicans shouldn’t do this because they are in effect compromising with evil, which is what I believe Ms Rand was criticizing.
Does that help clarify my position?

Accurately put

 

[LouderVol]

I don't think we'll disagree about the talking points involved, but that's not how I look at it.

I have an extremely strong moral conviction that my $ should not go to drone bombings that cause collateral damage and kill innocents. However, if I want to live and work in America, that's what's going to happen. I compromise this moral by existing here. I could go to some other country, but then I'm just going to find them doing different immoral things with my $. I could go off the grid and not pay taxes, but I don't want to live that way. So then I guess you would think I'm dedicating my life to fighting this issue, but I'm not. I am compromising my morals just trying to live in society.

I dont see that as compromising your morals. You still hold that belief regardless of what is actually happening, you havent wavered on your morals. I would think as long as you are making reasonable moves to correct the wrong, with your votes, you are meeting any moral obligation.

We also live in a society where we dont control where our money goes, or even know directly where our money goes. You may feed into the general system that drones people, but there is no way to know your dollars are actually going to that program or even branch of the government.

I am not necessarily trying to convince you you havent been compromised, that's on you, but how absolutist are you being here? Let's say $1 dollar goes to the drone program, are you supporting it? $1000? There is a line, and you can determine that, but I wouldnt consider myself compromised if someone else determines that my money went to some program I dont agree with.

 

[utvolpj]

I am basically (at least attempting) responding to what I take to be the basic premise of the thread; that Democrats refuse meaningful compromise while Republicans seem to always cave on what should be core principles. I am trying to make the point that Republicans shouldn’t do this because they are in effect compromising with evil, which is what I believe Ms Rand was criticizing.
Does that help clarify my position?

Our just maybe they aren't their core principles and they look so alike for a reason

 

[n_huffhines]

I didn't say it wasn't, but you'll never see more 3 dims try to lower spending. There are way more Republicans that try to curb spending than any of your party

Who gives a ****? It's not even close to happening in any meaningful way. You view 0.2% Republican politicians who aren't completely worthless as some sort of saving grace for the party? I do not. I hate irresponsible government which is why I left the GOP (the only party I've ever been a member of). You hate D's more than you hate spending, which is why you are still letting those big government dipshits on the right guide you around by the nose.

 

[AM64]

The Rs havent cared. It's just been a talking point.

I don't think it's that republicans don't care. It's now a cruel fact of life that if you don't "bring home the bacon", you probably aren't getting reelected. Campaigns are all based around promises, and the electorate wants to know what's in it for them. In the end once somebody started buying votes with tax money, conservatism was dead. The voters in our republican system of government simply figured out how to drain the treasury by selecting the middlemen. If republicans don't play the game, they don't get elected, and that's not good either because they do limit some of the excesses. For example, with better COP numbers in congress, perhaps the 2008 stimulus, loans, and obamaCare might have died; but you can't kill something if you can't get elected.

 

[McDad]

1. Step 1: The President Submits a Budget Request. ...
2. Step 2: The House and Senate Pass Budget Resolutions. ...
3. Step 3: House and Senate Create Appropriation Bills. ...
4. Step 4: The House and Senate Vote on Appropriations Bills. ...
5. Step 5: The President Signs Each Appropriations Bill and the Budget Becomes Law.

Or he could... Veto.

When was the last time a president has vetoed the budget proposal? I cannot remember.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Our just maybe they aren't their core principles and they look so alike for a reason

you make a good point. I need to clarify the difference between the Republican voter and the Republican elected official. They are often at variance in that the candidates SAY all the right things about spending and the size of government. But once their ticket to DC is punched, they joyfully pull themselves up to the feeding trough and gorge on taxpayer money just as greedily as their Democrat compatriots

 

[Orangeburst]

Doesn't the debt ceiling end tomorrow?

Congress is out of session iirc.

 

[Orangeburst]

I remember supporting the Tea Party and being called a Bag.

 

[OrangeTsar]

I don't think it's that republicans don't care. It's now a cruel fact of life that if you don't "bring home the bacon", you probably aren't getting reelected. Campaigns are all based around promises, and the electorate wants to know what's in it for them. In the end once somebody started buying votes with tax money, conservatism was dead. The voters in our republican system of government simply figured out how to drain the treasury by selecting the middlemen. If republicans don't play the game, they don't get elected, and that's not good either because they do limit some of the excesses. For example, with better COP numbers in congress, perhaps the 2008 stimulus, loans, and obamaCare might have died; but you can't kill something if you can't get elected.

 

[OrangeTsar]

Doesn't the debt ceiling end tomorrow?

Congress is out of session iirc.

We exceed the debt ceiling tomorrow but the treasury can play a shell game by moving money around in different accounts to delay the actual default point for a short period of time

 

[hog88]

I remember supporting the Tea Party and being called a Bag.

You were called a D Bag way before the Tea Party....

 

[Orangeburst]

You were called a D Bag way before the Tea Party....

I just saw this. I concur. I suck

 

[Orangeburst]

We exceed the debt ceiling tomorrow but the treasury can play a shell game by moving money around in different accounts to delay the actual default point for a short period of time

Here comes the R House caused the mess.
I have a client of a big national company that put a hold on any unnecessary spending as corporate expects a recession this year.
I quoted a $1,500 filter. Never heard of such in my 25 year career. And we just received a $36K blanket PO for maintenance so I assure you it is real.

 

[norrislakevol]

Here's an idea that will never get traction: Pass a balanced budget amendment. Only 30 percent or so of the Republicans would support it, and none of the dems would support it. Pipe dream.

 

[BreatheUT]

Sen. Mike Braun (R-IN) recounted in an interview with Breitbart News that Democrats have not broken rank to pass conservative legislation in at least 50 years.

He said, “I asked the senator who’s been here in his third term, maybe fourth, to give me one example where it has occurred in recent times. He could not come up with anything, and then we pretty well concluded that hasn’t occurred in the last 50 years.”


Mitch McConnell Praises Thom Tillis as He Makes Bipartisan Deals, Promotes Him to Republican Leadership

This! And it's also the reason to say f*** the democrats. I'm not sure why Republicans are so easily duped. It's why the country keeps moving further left at a rapid pace now. You see that kumbaya, keep hope alive that the democrats can be reasoned with on this board. Meanwhile Republicans continue to get outfoxed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over .................................. and over and over...................

You get the picture. Even on this board they are deceptive.

 

[norrislakevol]

This! And it's also the reason to say f*** the democrats. I'm not sure why Republicans are so easily duped. It's why the country keeps moving further left at a rapid pace now. You see that kumbaya, keep hope alive that the democrats can be reasoned with on this board. Meanwhile Republicans continue to get outfoxed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over .................................. and over and over...................

You get the picture. Even on this board they are deceptive.

Yes sir! Gotta purge the Republicans of their sh!tty leadership if we ever want a chance. Whenever I hear B!tch McConnell (because he is the democrats b!tch) or Lindsey Graham say "my democratic friends" I want to puke. No, Lindsey and Mitch, they hate you and only want to use you.

 

[AM64]

Here's an idea that will never get traction: Pass a balanced budget amendment. Only 30 percent or so of the Republicans would support it, and none of the dems would support it. Pipe dream.

There are several rules needed to get congress under control, and a balanced budget amendment is one of them. Congress isn't going to limit their power, and they know they don't have to as long as they work to keep the electorate divided. Amendments are the only way, but as long as congress and political parties keep us divided, that's only a dream. One part of us will see change as necessary and the other will remain bought. Simply put: you can't fight city hall ... at least without numbers and revolution.

 

[Weezer]

President Trump has Signed $4.7 Trillion of Debt into Law | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

During the first 3 years of Trump's presidency, from January 20, 2017 to January 20, 2020 ....

(and I'm only going to talk about the first 3 years, because you can use the COVID excuse after that)

.... he signed $4.7 trillion worth of debt into law. This was with a booming economy at the time, which did not need fiscal stimulus. For the first two years of Trump's presidency, Republicans controlled both chambers of Congress, and by a substantial margin in the House of Representatives. The debt ceiling was raised three times while Trump was President.

It is comical to completely blame Democrats for the debt, but that's what it looks like you're doing.

Also ... Trump added all of that debt after pledging to completely eliminate the debt during the 2016 Presidential Election Campaign during his time in office. LOL!

BB with the whataboutism elbow from the tope rope....

 

[Weezer]

Both parties suck.

Now we'll have to listen to luther talk about where they suck on the continuum.

 

[AM64]

Both parties suck.

Now we'll have to listen to luther talk about where they suck on the continuum.

Probably not until the dems lose the WH. Trying to make the current level of lunacy seem reasonable is beyond even luther's abilities.