Democrats plan to introduce articles of impeachment as early as Monday

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From watching the impeachment trial fiasco I must say the House managers are creating a compelling case that the people that breached the Capitol building should be arrested and prosecuted. Other than that... 🤷‍♂️
 
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AM64 said:
That's the way your type rolls. You don't argue something on merit. You judge an act against some legal point dug up in prior court decisions. This one is simple. Trump was "voted" out of office; he's not president; you can't remove him; game's up; you lost ... again. The fact that Trump is even being impeached at this point seems dangerously close to "ex post facto" law since impeachment has never before been retroactively retroactively applied against a president no longer in office. In other words, your side is making it up on the fly, and you'll probably find as usual that expediency like karma is a bitch.
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There are so many things wrong with your point that its hard to know where to start. But just a couple: ex post facto means passing a law after the conduct, which is not the case here. Also, this is not a criminal case.

As I have said before, politically I question the wisdom of this. Too many of the Senate GOP are so afraid of Trump's base they cannot bring themselves to vote to convict, even if in their judgment he should be convicted. Politics trumps (no pun intended) what is right and wrong here. So it is a waste of time in that sense and I think there are other ways that censure could have occurred, maybe even in time with a bit more GOP backing down the line.

Also, I fear that all this ultimately does is fuel Trump's claim to victim status.
 
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TN Ribs said:
Republicans are tough on terrorists until the terrorists are Republicans egged on by a scumbag liar that they support. Their cowardice and fealty is on full display this week.
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Democrats encouraged and supported the riots and destruction of businesses costing millions and millions of dollars. Keep up the glass house idiocy. This “trial” shows how incredibly stupid democrats really are.
 
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luthervol said:
He lied about election fraud.......that was the gun powder...so to speak.
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Hmmm so let’s use your analogy and think this through. So Trumps “lies” were gun powder right? Assuming that’s true, gun powder on its own is harmless.

So who loaded the gun and fired the shots? Trump? Or the idiots that stormed the capital?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Democrats encouraged and supported the riots and destruction of businesses costing millions and millions of dollars. Keep up the glass house idiocy. This “trial” shows how incredibly stupid democrats really are.
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Democrats aren't the ones who've allowed their party to be taken over by conspiracy theorists and extremist rubes that think the VP can pick who he wants for president. You should really think before you call any one else stupid. Your guys are the winners in that category.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are so many things wrong with your point that its hard to know where to start. But just a couple: ex post facto means passing a law after the conduct, which is not the case here. Also, this is not a criminal case.

As I have said before, politically I question the wisdom of this. Too many of the Senate GOP are so afraid of Trump's base they cannot bring themselves to vote to convict, even if in their judgment he should be convicted. Politics trumps (no pun intended) what is right and wrong here. So it is a waste of time in that sense and I think there are other ways that censure could have occurred, maybe even in time with a bit more GOP backing down the line.

Also, I fear that all this ultimately does is fuel Trump's claim to victim status.
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Notice I said close to ex post facto because of the way this has gone, and you are right about the criminal part, but then this isn't even a court of law. Congress is potentially barring Trump's right to run again, but what exactly other novel stuff might they do once they start breaking the framework? Do you not think that removing someone's right to run for an elected office ranks pretty close with the removal of other liberties as done in criminal court?

As to pandering to Trump's base. Could any other GOP candidate have won in 2016? Is the term "representative" just a throwaway, or is it supposed to mean "represent the people who elect them" ... even if those people are Trump's base? Why should any politician face censure for representing his or her constituents; isn't that what an elected government is all about? If people think a representative hasn't done the correct job, there's definitely a means to correct. All your statements could just as easily apply to AOC, Talib, Waters, and a host of others - they don't support the mainstream, but apparently support enough of their own base to be reelected. We aren't monolithic in our thinking; we do have the right to diverge from your thoughts on how to do things; you just don't like it when we do.

Since Trump is being singled out and treated differently for his opinion, I guess he's got a legitimate claim to victim status. Where is/was the outrage over the encouragement dim politicians gave rioters over the summer ... the ones who actually pillaged, burned, looted, and killed?
 
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volinbham said:
Got a link for that stat? It's completely made up.

Also, the amount of death and destruction across these "peaceful protests" dwarfs that of Jan 6th.

Why is it so hard to admit that all of it is wrong?



Thanks - so over 200 demonstrations that were violent. 25 - 30 people died in them with an estimated $2 billion in damage done. That's more than a "few idiots rioting".

In the words of our POTUS - it's a BFD
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All along, I said the rioters were idiots that should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest.

I'm in full support of the 95% of peaceful protest and 99% of peaceful protestors.

It's the morons who portray BLM as some radical and violent group, and the even bigger morons who believe it, with whom I have a problem.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Hmmm so let’s use your analogy and think this through. So Trumps “lies” were gun powder right? Assuming that’s true, gun powder on its own is harmless.

So who loaded the gun and fired the shots? Trump? Or the idiots that stormed the capital?
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I say providing the gunpowder is an impeachable offence; I'm obviously correct.
 
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calban said:
Democrats aren't the ones who've allowed their party to be taken over by conspiracy theorists and extremist rubes that think the VP can pick who he wants for president. You should really think before you call any one else stupid. Your guys are the winners in that category.
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Really? Your side is more concerned with letting in illegal immigrants, raising taxes, making life saving drugs more expensive, stealing from the working class to give to those who don’t want to work and figuring out how they can manipulate science to fit their gender narrative.

Sorry but your side wrote the book on stupidity.
 
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luthervol said:
All along, I said the rioters were idiots that should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest.

I'm in full support of the 95% of peaceful protest and 99% of peaceful protestors.

It's the morons who portray BLM as some radical and violent group, and the even bigger morons who believe it, with whom I have a problem.
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It seems you find breaking windows, clashing with police and taking selfies at the Capitol more offensive than destroying businesses, burning down buildings and vehicles and trying to burn Federal buildings other than the Capitol. That's what I'm trying to figure out.

The damage to life and livelihood in the Summer of Protest dwarfs that of the Jan 6 Capitol riot but it's only the latter that seems to be the threat to our country.
 
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