Dennis Dodd article

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VolGee4 said:
Even though the number was slightly less, Ole Miss’ violations were more serious. They got hit with lack of institutional control, which UT did not. Obviously, UT cleaned house once the violations became known, which in itself is not lacking institutional control. Ole Miss also had assistants fix ACT scores, and 12 boosters provided money to players. A couple of the assistants gave false information and contacted a witness. Pruitt was hit with 6 years because he had multiple allegations against him. Not even the same. Very distinguishable.
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Plus Bjork publicly spun the football violations as being committed under Houston Nutt. That led to Nutt’s suit against Ole Miss and the resulting escort scandal that further embarrassed them.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
If the roles were reversed and it was Bama, UGA, UF in our place, how many of us would be satisfied with scholly and visit reductions as their punishment?

We can do all the mental gymnastics we want but we were fortunate this is a different time for the NCAA. There is no precedent for us to receive as light of a sentence as we received...
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You don't think 10 million in fines is noteworthy? And don't you think WE set the precedent for cooperation, and that justifies the sentence? Your silly "what-if" is irrelevant. Give credit where it is due: Plowman played her cards brilliantly, and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about the outcome. It's done. Move on.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Let's say tomorrow, they catch several of Saban's assistants, other members of the football staff, and several members of the athletic department doing the exact thing while the AD/Saban is asleep at the wheel. Bama admits they are wrong and fire the people caught. Would we be OK with no postseason ban for Bama?
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If all the players involved transfered out, then yes.
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
You don't think 10 million in fines is noteworthy? And don't you think WE set the precedent for cooperation, and that justifies the sentence? Your silly "what-if" is irrelevant. Give credit where it is due: Plowman played her cards brilliantly, and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks about the outcome. It's done. Move on.
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Yeah, Plowman did a great job and Im glad the outcome is what it was. Plowman did a great job getting rid of 2 underperforming and incompetent employees all while maintaining a narrative of cooperation to minimize damages...
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Lacking punishment for Tennessee's egregious cheating leaves Greg Sankey unsure about future of enforcement

This article basically said we didn't get punished hard enough, despite all of our cooperation. He is arguing for a post season ban for us.
I obviously disagree.

Thoughts?
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There could be an argument that a bowl ban was deserved, and that’s what the sports media is talking about in July when there’s nothing else really going on. There are people screaming this every time a program gets caught doing something they shouldn’t. Nobody is getting the Death Penalty anymore, unless a program does something so unconscionable and flagrant that involves major criminal acts, that the NCAA and law enforcement is forced to step in and do something. Anybody who is a fan of college football isn’t shocked by a coach paying players in 2023. It’s so common place and you’d have to be completely naive or willfully ignorant to think otherwise. Is it still against the rules? Yep. But if the schools took appropriate action and the offending individuals are all dismissed, then what’s the point of giving out draconian punishments? What does that serve?
 
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DaddyChad said:
Another good point. Tennessee fired everyone involved, shipped out all kids that might have been involved, and even cut Fulmer loose bc he should’ve known what was going on. They self reported and followed through on getting all the filth out of the program. I’m not sure how it could have been handled better once Plowman was made aware.
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Excellent points. If they had really hammered us after all the cooperation we gave them, nobody would ever come forward. I think the NCAA had to reward the effort for playing it straight. They are also on thin ice as it is.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Let's say tomorrow, they catch several of Saban's assistants, other members of the football staff, and several members of the athletic department doing the exact thing while the AD/Saban is asleep at the wheel. Bama admits they are wrong and fire the people caught. Would we be OK with no postseason ban for Bama?
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Bama proactively investigates the violations and submits its findings to the NCAA; cooperates unhesitatingly with the NCAA; fires the entire coaching staff; makes all the ineligible players transfer out; hires a new AD, coach, and staff; signs three classes under the cloud of uncertain future sanctions; loses 28 scholarships over 7 years; is subject to significant recruiting restrictions; vacates all wins involving the ineligible players; and pays an $8,000,000 fine? I for one would be okay with no postseason ban for Bama.
 
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UTs cooperation occurred immediately prior to the full extent of the problems being known. His article makes it seemlike UT said, "Oh damn we're going to get hammered by all these sanctions" and then cooperated. CBS also recently lost their 3:30 Sat SEC time slot game if I remember correctly.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
He ain't wrong. Even with our cooperation, we got off really light given 18 L1 amd 200 total infractions...
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Yes, there were a lot of infractions, but punishing a bunch of kids who had nothing to do with the violations would simply be wrong. The $8+mil fine is significant for the football program along with the various recruiting penalties, and appropriately the former coaches who were responsible for the violations got hammered. Seems reasonable considering extreme cooperation by the University.
 
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UTs cooperation occurred immediately prior to the full extent of the problems being known. His article makes it seemlike UT said, "Oh damn we're going to get hammered by all these sanctions" and then cooperated. CBS also recently lost their 3:30 Sat SEC time slot game if I remember correctly.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Let's say tomorrow, they catch several of Saban's assistants, other members of the football staff, and several members of the athletic department doing the exact thing while the AD/Saban is asleep at the wheel. Bama admits they are wrong and fire the people caught. Would we be OK with no postseason ban for Bama?
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We wouldn't be at all ok with that. We'd bring up bama's history of violations and call for heavier penalties.
 
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It’s funny you don’t hear much complaining from some of the power schools. Wonder why?
 
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What most media types don’t want to acknowledge is that ever case is unique. Sure, 18 Level 1 violations were committed, but a school/coach could commit one Level 1 violation that was ten times our 18. When someone commits mail fraud, they are indicted on every letter they mailed with the fraud. If each was $500 and they did it 20 times, that’s $10k. Is that more significant than one count of mail fraud for $1 million? Second (and probably more important in NCAA violations) is who committed the infractions? Was it a coach or was the administration involved? How many people knew and did nothing? In this case, Pruitt and three of his assistants did the infractions with no knowledge up the chain. While some say we got off easy, you could easily make the argument the other way with the $8 million fine. Just think of the UNC academic scandal (No penalties) or the Miami scandal (small self-imposed penalties). Each case is different. It’s not easy to compare verdicts. Media who do are simply showing their personal biases towards certain universities.
 
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So if it pay to cheat, why were we so bad when this cheating occurred?

To be as bad as we were and cheating would have to mean that the prior regime was so bad that even with cheating they were bad.

If we had been having great success while cheating I would get the outrage from these writers on the punishment's received here, but we still were terrible and gained nothing and some could argue we got worse.

And why does not one of them mention North Carolina not getting anything for players getting credit for courses that they did not take among other things. Where was the outrage there?
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Let's say tomorrow, they catch several of Saban's assistants, other members of the football staff, and several members of the athletic department doing the exact thing while the AD/Saban is asleep at the wheel. Bama admits they are wrong and fire the people caught. Would we be OK with no postseason ban for Bama?
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Depends on whom “we” references. Lots of posters on here bend over backwards in triplicate in order to be FAIR to every program BUT UT. 😉
 
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EconVol92 said:
So if it pay to cheat, why were we so bad when this cheating occurred?

To be as bad as we were and cheating would have to mean that the prior regime was so bad that even with cheating they were bad.

If we had been having great success while cheating I would get the outrage from these writers on the punishment's received here, but we still were terrible and gained nothing and some could argue we got worse.

And why does not one of them mention North Carolina not getting anything for players getting credit for courses that they did not take among other things. Where was the outrage there?
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The cheating is what Pruitt learned at every stage of his coaching journey (remember he worked for Propst at Hoover also). He didn’t take the management course in covering it up effectively tho. And utilizing the advantage (other than at DC) had always been under other’s purview.
 
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