Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[whodeycin85]

Congress has abdicated so much of their power to the executive branch I'm not sure they even remember how to legislate.

I don't think they will do anything....as the silence by the majority of GOP members in Congress and the house speak volumes for their being in on the take....every GOP member should be up in arms about these judges ruling and the waste...its the same one always speaking out

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

You cereal?

LOL that you and @hog88 think that Donny is doing this for anyone but himself.

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Are you really still going with this angle?

 

[vols4sure]

I understand. Your point doesn’t make sense.

You use evidence of one of the founders leaving as support for some mythical pivot. You are splitting hairs over methods versus goals.

The goal remains the same as has been stated since late 2024: slash $2T from government spending.

I showed you their tracker. The goal still say $2T. So what is the real issue?

Not to mention they are just starting. Low hanging fruit (i.e., fraud) is the starting point and is also proving to be effective from a PR standpoint.

 

[n_huffhines]

Not to mention they are just starting. Low hanging fruit (i.e., fraud) is the starting point and is also proving to be effective from a PR standpoint.

Why do they need PR? Their job would be much easier if they operated quietly.

 

[vols4sure]

I'm just going off what Elon said about $1T. Maybe they are still shooting for $2T, but it didn't sound like it based on what he said.

It's not a mythical pivot. They said they would cut regulation. That's not the target anymore, it's just spending that they hate, which is fine in a lot of cases, but it's a hell of a pivot.

One of the great aspects of cutting regulation is that it's very difficult to challenge. I see $37B on the board. Who knows how much of that will stand? Who knows how much of those savings will be lost to court battles over it.

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It is not a pivot when they are going in both directions of cutting waste/fraud (quicker timeline) and cutting regulation (longer timeline). You are just focusing on the first aspect that has always been part of their mission and is getting all the headlines and saying they no longer intend to cut regulations when cutting regulations is still very much part of the Trump/Doge plan.

 

[vols4sure]

Why do they need PR? Their job would be much easier if they operated quietly.

They are set out to completely transform the way government operates and hold politicians accountable. Impossible to accomplish without high approval ratings continuing that is putting pressure on Republican Congress to hold the line.

 

[hjeagle1vol]

Are you really still going with this angle?

He doubled down on it.
Seems personal to him

 

[n_huffhines]

It is not a pivot when they are going in both directions of cutting waste/fraud (quicker timeline) and cutting regulation (longer timeline). You are just focusing on the first aspect that has always been part of their mission and is getting all the headlines and saying they no longer intend to cut regulations when cutting regulations is still very much part of the Trump/Doge plan.

Regulation is the lowest, fattest hanging fruit, IMO.

Going into this from the start, I didn't know what to expect. DOGE could end up being anything (and that's what I still believe) but the thing that gave me the most hope was the legitimacy that Ramaswamy brought DOGE. It's pretty disheartening that he had insider information and decided it was better to part ways.

Let me know when they start prioritizing regulations. It'll be good news.

 

[n_huffhines]

They are set out to completely transform the way government operates and hold politicians accountable. Impossible to accomplish without high approval ratings continuing that is putting pressure on Republican Congress to hold the line.

Nothing will happen if congress doesn't hold the line. Trump is in his 2nd term and Musk isn't an elected official.

 

[n_huffhines]

One last thing about the importance of focusing on regulation...you get the cost-savings and then you get the boon to the economy when you get rid of the unnecessary regulatory practice.

Say we find that Nancy Pelosi did give somebody a government contract and got a kickback...I'd love to catch her for that, but it doesn't actually do anything for me. Is she gonna go to jail for the last couple years of her life? OK. Great. The contract would still be a government expenditure, the money out of my pocket doesn't change at all, and there is no benefit to the economy.

If we could actually establish a reality that politicians will consistently face consequences for their actions to the point that they change their behavior, that would be a good result, but it won't be the result. At best, it will be a 4-year blip.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Liberal Analyst Warns Dems: 'Suicide' to Defend USAID

hotair.com

In policy terms, the Democrats have a point. The legality of DOGE’s strike on the agency is unclear. For the incredible amount of wasteful stuff in its budget—why did USAID grant $1.5 million for “diversity, equity, and inclusion in Serbia’s workplaces and business communities”—USAID also provides basic aid, like nutrition and health assistance, to needy countries.
But politically, none of that matters a whit. Trump occupies the high ground in this fight, which is probably why he and Musk picked it. If voters dislike anything, it’s bureaucracy and foreign aid. And USAID is a 10,000-employee bureaucracy—housed in a palatial building on prime downtown real estate—that spends $40 billion a year on other countries. ...
1. Democrats are unconditionally defending an obscure government institution at a time when even well-known and previously trusted institutions are regarded with intense suspicion. A key finding from New York Times polling in the 2024 election cycle was that voters overwhelmingly believe the political and economic system in America needs either major changes, or to be completely rebuilt.
2. This particular obscure institution does one of American voters’ least favorite things: provide foreign aid.
3. Finally, not only are Democrats blanket defending an obscure institution that does something American voters don’t particularly want to, they are defending it without explaining their own priorities.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Democrats, Angry About DOGE's Spending Audits, Ready to Shut Down Government Spending

Democrats are prepared to shut down the federal government during next month's spending fight after becoming enraged over the Department of Government Efficiency's (DOGE) financial audit of government spending.

www.breitbart.com

Here is what I find hilarious. They are spouting off on networks and shows that have small dedicated audiences. Their reach with the media is waning.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Democrats, Angry About DOGE's Spending Audits, Ready to Shut Down Government Spending

Democrats are prepared to shut down the federal government during next month's spending fight after becoming enraged over the Department of Government Efficiency's (DOGE) financial audit of government spending.

www.breitbart.com

Here is what I find hilarious. They are spouting off on networks and shows that have small dedicated audiences. Their reach with the media is waning.

Trump vows to shrink the government, so the Dems threaten to shut the gov't down.

Deal. (Don't threaten us with a good time.)

 

[DC_Vol]

I'm just going off what Elon said about $1T. Maybe they are still shooting for $2T, but it didn't sound like it based on what he said.

It's not a mythical pivot. They said they would cut regulation. That's not the target anymore, it's just spending that they hate, which is fine in a lot of cases, but it's a hell of a pivot.

One of the great aspects of cutting regulation is that it's very difficult to challenge. I see $37B on the board. Who knows how much of that will stand? Who knows how much of those savings will be lost to court battles over it.

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I have you a link to the DOGE clock that includes the target of $2T.

These are both from 2024.





So they are focused on cutting wasteful expenditures and restructuring federal agencies right now. Why don’t you show a little patience for the rest of the agenda?

Looks a little silly to complain at this point. They are a month in? Unless you just don’t like the idea of DOGE or maybe have a beef with Elon.

Attention DOGE and Elon Musk: Here’s how the federal government spends Americans’ tax dollars | CNN Politics

As the co-heads of the newly created Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, billionaires Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are promising to slash at least $2 trillion from the federal budget.

amp.cnn.com

Dogecoin spikes after Trump announces a Department of Government Efficiency — DOGE

Dogecoin shot higher on Tuesday night after President-elect Donald Trump formally announced the creation of the Department of Government Efficiency.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Septic]

Are you really still going with this angle?

What angle? Maybe you can elaborate on what you think my point is.

 

[n_huffhines]

I have you a link to the DOGE clock that includes the target of $2T.

These are both from 2024.

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So they are focused on cutting wasteful expenditures and restructuring federal agencies right now. Why don’t you show a little patience for the rest of the agenda?

Looks a little silly to complain at this point. They are a month in? Unless you just don’t like the idea of DOGE or maybe have a beef with Elon.

Attention DOGE and Elon Musk: Here’s how the federal government spends Americans’ tax dollars | CNN Politics

As the co-heads of the newly created Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, billionaires Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are promising to slash at least $2 trillion from the federal budget.

amp.cnn.com

Dogecoin spikes after Trump announces a Department of Government Efficiency — DOGE

Dogecoin shot higher on Tuesday night after President-elect Donald Trump formally announced the creation of the Department of Government Efficiency.

www.cnbc.com

What are you arguing? That I can't say "what about this thing you originally stated was the priority?" because they might get to it?

 

[Ritzwatch]

Trump vows to shrink the government, so the Dems threaten to shut the gov't down.

Deal. (Don't threaten us with a good time.)

No kidding.

Rs should be up front about the fact that the Ds are the ones responsible and, unlike other shutdowns, should be up front that any end to a shutdown WILL NOT include back pay for the time of the shutdown.

Let the Dems own this shutdown, AND save us money. Bonus? All those agencies the judges are trying to force money through? Congress will have shut them down, not Trump.

 

[Vol8188]

That's not going to end well for Tennessee soybean farmers.


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Good

 

[Vol8188]

I'm just going off what Elon said about $1T. Maybe they are still shooting for $2T, but it didn't sound like it based on what he said.

It's not a mythical pivot. They said they would cut regulation. That's not the target anymore, it's just spending that they hate, which is fine in a lot of cases, but it's a hell of a pivot.

One of the great aspects of cutting regulation is that it's very difficult to challenge. I see $37B on the board. Who knows how much of that will stand? Who knows how much of those savings will be lost to court battles over it.

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Our resident libertarian finding reasons to be upset about spending cuts

 

[volinbham]

Why do they need PR? Their job would be much easier if they operated quietly.

As the public becomes more aware of the raw extent of wasted spending they have more support behind making regulatory change stick rather than immediately being reversed with the next administration.

They could tone it down some but there's value in continually reminding the public of the waste.

 

[Vol8188]

Why do they need PR? Their job would be much easier if they operated quietly.

Do good things and tell no one. That sounds like a solid political move.

“Hmmm…how can I be real mad about things a libertarian should love….I know! They spoke about it! The evil!”-Huff

 

[DC_Vol]

What are you arguing? That I can't say "what about this thing you originally stated was the priority?" because they might get to it?

My point is your argument doesn’t make sense. You’ve yet to show any pivot. As support for your position, you’ve selected parts of their original goals that they haven’t gotten to yet - while ignoring the ones they are currently working on.

You’ve also tried to support your argument with Vivek punching out, which makes no sense.

And then when presented with evidence, you ignored it and now have tried to put words in my mouth. Some nonsense about you not being able to say something.

Clown show.

 

[n_huffhines]

My point is your argument doesn’t make sense. You’ve yet to show any pivot. As support for your position, you’ve selected parts of their original goals that they haven’t gotten to yet - while ignoring the ones they are currently working on.

You’ve also tried to support your argument with Vivek punching out, which makes no sense.

And then when presented with evidence, you ignored it and now have tried to put words in my mouth. Some nonsense about you not being able to say something.

Clown show.

"Sobotka! I'm not hearing his name anywhere!"

 

[n_huffhines]

As the public becomes more aware of the raw extent of wasted spending they have more support behind making regulatory change stick rather than immediately being reversed with the next administration.

They could tone it down some but there's value in continually reminding the public of the waste.

Harry Bolz

 

[dovervolz]

Nash said all this is okay because Congress funded FEMA.

Since when did you start believing anything Nash says?