Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[n_huffhines]

A 4.5-5T debt ceiling increase coupled with an increase in spending to the largest discretionary line item. Id love to see how that gets spun....

We're experiencing the "greatest political happening of our lives," I'm told.

 

[Orangeburst]

Yeah but they cannot shift dollars from one area to another and claim they are cutting spending. If they do that they are out on their azzes after the midterms and pretty much guarantee a D presidency in 2028. Congress must cut spending and show proof of it.

you know the goal..let it play out. It isnt going to be 0 this year,
not raising the ceiling would result in shutdown.which is fine by me, but not politically tenable.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Yeah but they cannot shift dollars from one area to another and claim they are cutting spending. If they do that they are out on their azzes after the midterms and pretty much guarantee a D presidency in 2028. Congress must cut spending and show proof of it.

Here is govt spending in a nutshell

Obama spent like crazy.

Trump increased Obama level spending at a 4-5x the rate of inflation by 2019

Biden increased spending 60% over 2019 levels

Trump 2.0 wont cut discretionary spending from Biden levels

 

[LSU-SIU]

We're experiencing the "greatest political happening of our lives," I'm told.

As far as the whole context of Trump's political career (meaning since about 2015 with the coup, deep state, assassin attempts, media takeover, lawfare, etc) nothing real else comes to mind in U.S. history, and maybe nothing I can really think of in global history.

But all of that is meaningless right now, he has to right the ship.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Yeah but they cannot shift dollars from one area to another and claim they are cutting spending. If they do that they are out on their azzes after the midterms and pretty much guarantee a D presidency in 2028. Congress must cut spending and show proof of it.

I'm taking the wait and see approach.

 

[hog88]

you know the goal..let it play out. It isnt going to be 0 this year,
not raising the ceiling would result in shutdown.which is fine by me, but not politically tenable.

I get the point that they probably do have to raise the limit THIS YEAR to avoid a shutdown but they better couple that with actual spending cuts, a true budget (not another continuation) and follow it up next year with more spending cuts and no debt limit increase. They have a hell of a sell job in front of them.

 

[hog88]

Here is govt spending in a nutshell

Obama spent like crazy.

Trump increased Obama level spending at a 4-5x the rate of inflation by 2019

Biden increased spending 60% over 2019 levels

Trump 2.0 wont cut discretionary spending from Biden levels

He better or the Rs are toast.

 

[hog88]

I'm taking the wait and see approach.

It can't be overnight, I agree but they need to get out in front of it and explain what and how they plan on going about cutting expenditures.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Each and every American citizen is in dept over $100,000 because of your government. A family of four is responsible for almost a half a million.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

He better or the Rs are toast.

Let's say he decreases spending by 1%. Is that really a win given how big the base is with spending doubling in less than 10 yrs...

 

[hog88]

Let's say he decreases spending by 1%. Is that really a win given how big the base is with spending doubling in less than 10 yrs...

IMO not that is far from a win, it's a bad, bad loss.

 

[walkenvol]

Exactly!

Not sure where Americans lost their distrust of politicians and politics...... But they definitely did.

You can start with Nixon for this current generation

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

If you went from 425 lbs to 850 pounds, dropping down to 845 aint gonna help you much....

 

[InVOLuntary]

It can't be overnight, I agree but they need to get out in front of it and explain what and how they plan on going about cutting expenditures.

They don't need to talk about it, they need to do it. I seriously doubt they can, even if they wanted to. The dems will obstruct at every turn. They'll filabuster, drag it out.

 

[McDad]

He better or the Rs are toast.

Our history of spending indicates spending will not decrease.

 

[LSU-SIU]

DOGE: Department of Government Efficiency

Receipts coming soon, no later than Valentine's day

I love this type of human interaction, the mentality ill just don't understand humor.

 

[utvolpj]

What do you expect, instant results? Have to be realistic. Goal is to bring debt down by $1T this year, but debt will still climb. There is still a lot of spending that has been pre authorized.

Who stated the goal was to bring down the debt by $1T?

 

[Orangeburst]

I get the point that they probably do have to raise the limit THIS YEAR to avoid a shutdown but they better couple that with actual spending cuts, a true budget (not another continuation) and follow it up next year with more spending cuts and no debt limit increase. They have a hell of a sell job in front of them.

no doubt..

Look at this fight just to cut these small potatoes.

They promised $1T in cuts, which is deficit, so they are on the clock. If they are playing some word games, then yes, off with their heads, They are going to increase defense, but hopefully they can squeeze out a crap load of efficiency from current budgets.

 

[McDad]

no doubt..

Look at this fight just to cut these small potatoes.

They promised $1T in cuts, which is deficit, so they are on the clock. If they are playing some word games, then yes, off with their heads, They are going to increase defense, but hopefully they can squeeze out a crap load of efficiency from current budgets.

How much defense spending is necessary before we feel safe or are adequately prepared for legitimate threats?

 

[InVOLuntary]

IMO not that is far from a win, it's a bad, bad loss.

Each and every government entity could save 10% and it wouldn't even be noticeable.

 

[hog88]

Our history of spending indicates spending will not decrease.

You're probably right and if that is the case I just can't see how anyone could vote R again.

 

[LSU-SIU]

no doubt..

Look at this fight just to cut these small potatoes.

They promised $1T in cuts, which is deficit, so they are on the clock. If they are playing some word games, then yes, off with their heads, They are going to increase defense, but hopefully they can squeeze out a crap load of efficiency from current budgets.

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Well, off to a great start.

He is completely right that it doesn't solve the problem forever, its a constant problem that future Americans must fight.

 

[hog88]

no doubt..

Look at this fight just to cut these small potatoes.

They promised $1T in cuts, which is deficit, so they are on the clock. If they are playing some word games, then yes, off with their heads, They are going to increase defense, but hopefully they can squeeze out a crap load of efficiency from current budgets.

Defense spending doesn't need to be increased. They could cut the F out of defense and still get a better product with wholesale changes in procurement procedures.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

How much defense spending is necessary before we feel safe or are adequately prepared for legitimate threats?

You could find 100B in the couch cushioms at DoD with no impact to safety....

 

[hog88]

Each and every government entity could save 10% and it wouldn't even be noticeable.

I agree, the goal needs to be much higher.