Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

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DC_Vol said:
No sacred cows. They need to go after everything.

I’m ok with breaking some eggs along the way. Why? Because our entire system is broken today and it can’t be fixed until spending is fixed.

I can agree that the DOGE bro approach needs to he changed. ML models are good for many things but usually before putting them in production they are rigorously tested and validated. Even then, a human is normally watching over it.
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I don't disagree- however I think there are missions we've promised as a society where you can't break the eggs without having something to catch the yolks after. Their vigor in going after places like the VA, while literally turning a blind eye to the DoD, SBA, new budget etc. is very telling. Trump and Musk are extremely unserious about getting actual sustainable results, and instead are looking for wherever they can make headlines.

I'll point again to the VA administrator's comments about notetaking and powerpoint. A 30-second search of contract numbers would identify that that line was entirely not true, yet he stuck to his guns- until the next day, when someone with a brain told him DOGE had clowned him.

EDIT: Back to the purchase cards, I am funded 0% by those, but I know how much they're depended on because the contracts in place are garbage. What DOGE recommended is shutting down those cards, then shutting down the facility/clinician-led rewrites of those contracts to actually save money and ensure contractors were performing. That defaults us all back to the more expensive contracts with literally zero performance requirements. So instead of continuing with the implementation of new and better contracts, we're stepping back to a circa 2016 medical supplies contract that has notoriously bad performance and providing facilities with $1 limits on purchase cards to make up the gaps. This starts tomorrow. It's a problem.

I don't think anyone would advocate for cutting all of the DoD's supply chain contracts overnight, especially the ones that are designed to modernize how contracts are put in place. Most of these efforts started under Trump I. Now we're just going to nuke them all?
 
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ButchPlz said:
I don't disagree- however I think there are missions we've promised as a society where you can't break the eggs without having something to catch the yolks after. Their vigor in going after places like the VA, while literally turning a blind eye to the DoD, SBA, new budget etc. is very telling. Trump and Musk are extremely unserious about getting actual sustainable results, and instead are looking for wherever they can make headlines.

I'll point again to the VA administrator's comments about notetaking and powerpoint. A 30-second search of contract numbers would identify that that line was entirely not true, yet he stuck to his guns- until the next day, when someone with a brain told him DOGE had clowned him.
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If they were wiser, they’d turn off the PR, scrub their findings, and present them in a more orderly and trustworthy manner.

At the end of the day, the results will have to he reflected in a budget. A balanced budget. And a lot of the government spend we have today is going to have to go away.
 
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ButchPlz said:
At this point, no. March 1st, the procurement methods are cut. DOGE has instructed the GSA to allow limited or no exceptions.

Are you suggesting I should not take their word seriously when they say they are going to cut the method used to buy 60% of medical supplies across the country? If that's the case, what makes DOGE better than any of the other idiotic bureaucratic agencies that exist?

Are you going to address the senile "point" you lead with about bills being paid?
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So as I pointed out, nothing has really happened yet. I don't respond to insults. If you want to have an adult conversation, we will.
 
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DC_Vol said:
If they were wiser, they’d turn off the PR, scrub their findings, and present them in a more orderly and trustworthy manner.

At the end of the day, the results will have to he reflected in a budget. A balanced budget. And a lot of the government spend we have today is going to have to go away.
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And the path to get there is to actually understand how stuff is being used. But they aren't interested- it's about headlines.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So as I pointed out, nothing has really happened yet. I don't respond to insults. If you want to have an adult conversation, we will.
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So you're not going to answer the question? You're admitting cowardice, ignorance, hypocrisy, idiocy, or all of the above? You've directly called me ignorant and "fooled" by bureaucrats while ignoring everything I've posted. That wasn't insulting? You've thought you're a justice warrior holding someone else's feet to the fire but can't handle it when someone is direct with you? That's...childish pathetic (is a better word).

Why are you OK with a surgical approach to defense waste but not in other agencies? Why are you not answering my question? This is some senile clownshow stuff here, man. And it's humiliating.
 
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Our boy @InVOLuntary:

>given example of 20-year long weapons contract with zero field units and half a billion in spend: "THEY'LL GET TO IT EVENTUALLY"
>given example of cutting a procurement method with zero backup plan for an agency actually supporting Americans: "LOL NOOK IT ALL RIGHT NOW"

This is why people shouldn't take these blueanons and redanons seriously. Shut off brain, line up behind the team flag, and **** everyone else!
 
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ButchPlz said:
So you're not going to answer the question? You're admitting cowardice, ignorance, hypocrisy, idiocy, or all of the above? You've directly called me ignorant and "fooled" by bureaucrats while ignoring everything I've posted. That wasn't insulting?

Why are you OK with a surgical approach to defense waste but not in other agencies? Why are you not answering my question? This is some senile clownshow stuff here, man. And it's humiliating.
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You are putting words in my mouth, I didn't say I was in favor of a surgical approach to the DOD. I said it may take longer. I've also not admitting any of the above. I've said your information is tainted by bureaucrats and it is . You've admitted that these issues you are freaking out over are potential and have not been realized. My point all along is to have patience. It will work itself out. Hegseth has said he wants to do better with veterans, I take him at his word.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Our boy @InVOLuntary:

>given example of 20-year long weapons contract with zero field units and half a billion in spend: "THEY'LL GET TO IT EVENTUALLY"
>given example of cutting a procurement method with zero backup plan for an agency actually supporting Americans: "LOL NOOK IT ALL RIGHT NOW"

This is why people shouldn't take these blueanons and redanons seriously. Shut off brain, line up behind the team flag, and **** everyone else!
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LOL, I'll call you a libtard now to keep it on your level.

















(I don't really think you are a libtard, I'm just trying to get it to what seems to be the level you wish to converse.)
 
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InVOLuntary said:
You are putting words in my mouth, I didn't say I was in favor of a surgical approach to the DOD. I said it may take longer. I've also not admitting any of the above. I've said your information is tainted by bureaucrats and it is . You've admitted that these issues you are freaking out over are potential and have not been realized. My point all along is to have patience. It will work itself out. Hegseth has said he wants to do better with veterans, I take him at his word.
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Again, here you are with this line. I literally posted the memo, drafted by DOGE and released via the GSA, that has done what I've said with regards to purchase cards. I've shared information from raw data that I operate in every day. I have shared what I've seen with the purchasing methods of VA facility logisticians that I'm in contact with every day. It's not VA HQ people that are scared by this stuff, it's the field clinicians and logistics guys sitting next to the Vets freaking out about it. You know, the equivalents to what Hegseth used to be in the military. So how am I saying things that are tainted by bureaucrats? It's a thoughtless line that shows you think you know more than everyone. It's pride, arrogance, and carelessness, and it's your personal path to hell.

Next, you are talking about the head of the DoD. He has literally nothing to do with the VA's operations. Do you not understand the basic function of these agencies?

Last, did you take Doug Collins at his word when he released his statement about what was cut? Was he wrong to walk it back? Were any of his actions the result of being "duped" and "tainted" by bureaucrats? Are you going to bother addressing that?

Again, I am still waiting for actual answers to my questions. You're talking about being duped by bureaucrats while citing a bureaucrat. It's bizarre. And I still don't understand why you're still apparently saying it's OK to take time with the DoD but nobody else. Quit lining up behind the flag like a drone.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
LOL, I'll call you a libtard now to keep it on your level.

















(I don't really think you are a libtard, I'm just trying to get it to what seems to be the level you wish to converse.)
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What have I said that is not precisely in line with what you are asserting? It's hypocritical idiocy.
 
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NashVol11 said:
The quote seems to back up what @ButchPlz is saying about just running contracts through AI software comparing them to the "mission," which is very stupid
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It's almost as if I know more firsthand than a bunch of senile old farts that alternate between this board and the Military Channel while eating up all the social security we're paying for.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Again, here you are with this line. I literally posted the memo, drafted by DOGE and released via the GSA, that has done what I've said with regards to purchase cards. I've shared information from raw data that I operate in every day. I have shared what I've seen with the purchasing methods of VA facility logisticians that I'm in contact with every day. It's not VA HQ people that are scared by this stuff, it's the field clinicians and logistics guys sitting next to the Vets freaking out about it. You know, the equivalents to what Hegseth used to be in the military. So how am I saying things that are tainted by bureaucrats? It's a thoughtless line that shows you think you know more than everyone. It's pride, arrogance, and carelessness, and it's your personal path to hell.

Next, you are talking about the head of the DoD. He has literally nothing to do with the VA's operations. Do you not understand the basic function of these agencies?

Last, did you take Doug Collins at his word when he released his statement about what was cut? Was he wrong to walk it back? Were any of his actions the result of being "duped" and "tainted" by bureaucrats? Are you going to bother addressing that?

Again, I am still waiting for actual answers to my questions. You're talking about being duped by bureaucrats while citing a bureaucrat. It's bizarre. And I still don't understand why you're still apparently saying it's OK to take time with the DoD but nobody else. Quit lining up behind the flag like a drone.
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I'm waiting for you to show where this is affecting your operation.
 
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ButchPlz said:
What have I said that is not precisely in line with what you are asserting? It's hypocritical idiocy.
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1. I've said I'm 100% in favor of doing more for our veterans across the board.
2. Ive said I'm 100% for cutting the military significantly. To the point we don't need much of a va. The only thing I've said is it will take a little longer. It's much larger, no?

All ive said is give it some time.
 
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ButchPlz said:
It's almost as if I know more firsthand than a bunch of senile old farts that alternate between this board and the Military Channel while eating up all the social security we're paying for.
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If you would present your info in the form of a random tweet labeled as

🚨BREAKING BOMBSHELL!!!🚨

then it will be much more believable
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm waiting for you to show where this is affecting your operation.
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One of my very first posts highlighting this stuff pointed out that nothing is impacted from my end. I initially began sharing because it is a huge concern for me because of how I- through my experience- know how the VHA's facilities are operating.

Meanwhile, when I share concern, you decide to make up who knows what to tell me I'm "tainted" by "bureaucrats". You have plenty of information, including pictures of the memo, an article quoting a field agent from the VHA, and the data that I can share that came straight from where I work. You continue to apply a level of "critical" (and I use that term very loosely) thought to one agency but not another, ironically citing a bureaucrat for why you are waving around the flag you're waving. Like I said, it's bizarre.

Nut up and answer what I have asked, point by point. Why do you think it's OK to hold other people's feet to the fire but not your own?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
1. I've said I'm 100% in favor of doing more for our veterans across the board.
2. Ive said I'm 100% for cutting the military significantly. To the point we don't need much of a va. The only thing I've said is it will take a little longer. It's much larger, no?

All ive said is give it some time.
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Give one thing time, give another no time, because an appointed bureaucrat and 🚨Elon Musk🚨 told you what to prioritize. Are you totally unaware of the irony here?
 
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