Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

[NashVol11]

The fact is the bureaucrats are fighting tooth and nail to keep this information covered up. That tells me all I need to know.

In many cases the "fighting tooth and nail" is a refusal of access because they are legally required to refuse access to classified information to people without the requisite security clearance

 

[hog88]

There's nothing to support any side here. The fact is the bureaucrats are fighting tooth and nail to keep this information covered up. That tells me all I need to know.

Yeah, that is a bad look. There's a ton of chicken littling going on, some of it justifiable but some of it pretty dang funny.

 

[hog88]

In many cases the "fighting tooth and nail" is a refusal of access because they are legally required to refuse access to classified information to people without the requisite security clearance

If POTUS says they have clearance they have clearance. It's just not clear where that's been done.

 

[volfanhill]

Are they?

The Young, Inexperienced Engineers Aiding Elon Musk’s Government Takeover

Engineers between 19 and 24, most linked to Musk’s companies, are playing a key role as he seizes control of federal infrastructure.

www.wired.com

Not acceptable

 

[InVOLuntary]

In many cases the "fighting tooth and nail" is a refusal of access because they are legally required to refuse access to classified information to people without the requisite security clearance

ANd again, you have no way of knowing if these people have proper clearances to access that data. The tooth and nail is because they are hiding their criminal activity. It's being exposed daily.

 

[gcbvol]

Not acceptable

I'm seriously befuddled by folks thinking this stuff is okay. It's not the 'what', it's the 'who' and 'how'.

 

[utvolpj]

ANd again, you have no way of knowing if these people have proper clearances to access that data. The tooth and nail is because they are hiding their criminal activity. It's being exposed daily.

Where have doge and Elon been given the responsibility of rooting out illegal activity? Is that what they're doing at treasury?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Where have doge and Elon been given the responsibility of rooting out illegal activity? Is that what they're doing at treasury?

It depends if you consider spending money on unauthorized things and money laundering illegal I guess.

 

[utvolpj]

I'm seriously befuddled by folks thinking this stuff is okay. It's not the 'what', it's the 'who' and 'how'.

They believe anyone seen giving resistance to Trump or Musk are guilty of treasonous acts. It's such a ridiculous stance

 

[InVOLuntary]

I'm seriously befuddled by folks thinking this stuff is okay. It's not the 'what', it's the 'who' and 'how'.

But it's fine when your side is in control. They're my unelected bureaucrats so it's ok.

 

[utvolpj]

It depends if you consider spending money on unauthorized things and money laundering illegal I guess.

Where has that been proven to be happening in treasury?

And wouldn't that be the responsibility of the former Soros fund manager now treasury Secretary?

 

[GroverCleveland]

Not sure how anyone could be in favor of what doge is being allowed to do at treasury. Is Bessent actually doing anything or does an unelected, big tech billionaire just get access to all the sensitive data he wants?

Still don't believe it's legal for doge to be allowed to stop payment on congressional approved money

Cannot the President grant security clearance to anyone he wants? Not saying that is a great idea, but does deal with the legality question about access.

Yes, I don’t think it is legal for for DOGE to stop payments. My understanding is they are rooting out and exposing some of the crap Congress is famous for putting into spending bills. The President can halt payments or slow them down. If this is the case (again I agree with the questionable legality) it might make it difficult for Congress to defend some of the crap by insisting payments are made.

 

[utvolpj]

Cannot the President grant security clearance to anyone he wants? Not saying that is a great idea, but does deal with the legality question about access.

Yes, I don’t think it is legal for for DOGE to stop payments. My understanding is they are rooting out and exposing some of the crap Congress is famous for putting into spending bills. The President can halt payments or slow them down. If this is the case (again I agree with the questionable legality) it might make it difficult for Congress to defend some of the crap by insisting payments are made.

I believe this is sensitive but not sure if classified. There are set rules around handling it. I deal with a little PII and have to do some different things for access

Why is access to the sensitive data of tens of millions of citizens required to figure out what Congress is spending money on?

The potus can halt spending that's passed thru Congress? Seems we heard about that last time

 

[InVOLuntary]

They believe anyone seen giving resistance to unelected bureaucrats are guilty of treasonous acts. It's such a ridiculous stance to not put total trust in these agencies to not spend tax dollars on unauthorized things. Always trust the government.

FYP

 

[gcbvol]

But it's fine when your side is in control. They're my unelected bureaucrats so it's ok.

Of course not. This isn't politics. Let's look only at this situation. Why would we ever be okay with a private citizen with federal business interests, among others, accessing sensitive data of American citizens, and classified data without clearance?

What it's often suck, but if Biden was performing this same exercise using Gates or Zuckerberg folks would be calling for a military couple.

Again, it's not what this is about, it's the who and how.

 

[hog88]

I believe this is sensitive but not sure if classified. There are set rules around handling it. I deal with a little PII and have to do some different things for access

Why is access to the sensitive data of tens of millions of citizens required to figure out what Congress is spending money on?

The potus can halt spending that's passed thru Congress? Seems we heard about that last time

It's been done numerous times.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What do you mean "all of a sudden"? Can you point out where I was ever in favor?

Musk is taking over sensitive data for tens of millions of Americans. He's cutting off funds for congressionally approved funding. There's no way this is legal. When did you stop caring about the rule of law? How is that in any way refreshing?

Calm down. There are checks and balances. He isn't "taking over" anything, and if what he is "cutting off" is illegal then it will be stopped. The refreshing part is that it is out in the open instead of behind closed doors.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Where has that been proven to be happening in treasury?

And wouldn't that be the responsibility of the former Soros fund manager now treasury Secretary?

Where has it been proven that any of those shedding a light on this are not authorized to do so. Sounds like your ok with keeping this from the American people. That liberaltarianism is really coming out today. Are you against transparency of where our tax dollars are being spent?

 

[GroverCleveland]

We should all be screaming about this. Zero issue whatsoever with Trump reviewing/cutting spending; but a private citizen whose primary interests are his businesses and wealth running roughshod through the federal government? He and his team are accessing the personal data of American citizens, along with sensitive/restricted data without clearance. It's insane.

Imagine Biden carrying out the same exercise with Cuban or Soros doing the same stuff. We need to wake up.

A Democrat trying to root out wasteful spending by the Federal Government? I don’t think we’re in any danger of that ever happening.

just picking at you gcb.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Of course not. This isn't politics. Let's look only at this situation. Why would we ever be okay with a private citizen with federal business interests, among others, accessing sensitive data of American citizens, and classified data without clearance?

What it's often suck, but if Biden was performing this same exercise using Gates or Zuckerberg folks would be calling for a military couple.

Again, it's not what this is about, it's the who and how.

The problem is, you believe what the MSM is telling you. Do you actually believe that Musk is siftting though the data himself. What makes the people that seem to be resisting the effort to expose where the money is going any less of a security risk than the ones auditing the information? Also, who's to say there is any sensitive information in the data they are reviewing?

 

[gcbvol]

The problem is, you believe what the MSM is telling you. Do you actually believe that Musk is siftting though the data himself. What makes the people that seem to be resisting the effort to expose where the money is going any less of a security risk than the ones auditing the information? Also, who's to say there is any sensitive information in the data they are reviewing?

This isn't a MSM thing, but common sense. He's an unelected private citizen with a major conflict of interest getting access to our sensitive personal data. Whether he's sifting through it personally at this moment is irrelevant. He now has it. That's a major problem.

And speaking of trusting the MSM, why should any of us trust anything Musk says? He has a long history of lying and spreading false information. I'd much rather have someone with nothing to gain and a history of honesty leading this exercise.

 

[InVOLuntary]

This isn't a MSM thing, but common sense. He's an unelected private citizen with a major conflict of interest getting access to our sensitive personal data. Whether he's sifting through it personally at this moment is irrelevant. He now has it. That's a major problem.

And speaking of trusting the MSM, why should any of us trust anything Musk says? He has a long history of lying and spreading false information. I'd much rather have someone with nothing to gain and a history of honesty leading this exercise.

And why should you trust the people resisting exposing their deeds? It should be transparent, no? What sensitive information is he getting that would help him? How do you know he's getting sedative information? Again, you trust these people that have proven they're irresponsible at best and criminal at worst.

 

[hog88]

This isn't a MSM thing, but common sense. He's an unelected private citizen with a major conflict of interest getting access to our sensitive personal data. Whether he's sifting through it personally at this moment is irrelevant. He now has it. That's a major problem.

And speaking of trusting the MSM, why should any of us trust anything Musk says? He has a long history of lying and spreading false information. I'd much rather have someone with nothing to gain and a history of honesty leading this exercise.

There are thousands of .gov contractors with that access doing it every day.

 

[gcbvol]

And why should you trust the people resisting exposing their deeds? It should be transparent, no? What sensitive information is he getting that would help him? How do you know he's getting sedative information? Again, you trust these people that have proven they're irresponsible at best and criminal at worst.

Nope. I never said I trusted them. I actually am very supportive of cutting government waste. It's the way it's taking place I (and should everyone else) have a problem with.

 

[gcbvol]

There are thousands of .gov contractors with that access doing it every day.

Who still must go through and obtain clearance. And there is major hell to pay if they abuse it. What checks are on Elon? Seriously, do you think he has any checks whatsoever? Are you really comfortable with that?