Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

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#152
utvolpj said:
Because they could barely keep it up and running. They had to call back in people that were fired to put it back together. There were no big fixes or new feature releases.
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What net percentage of Twitter employees were eliminated after the rehires? I don't want any new feature releases from the government.
 
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ButchPlz said:
90% of "contracting professionals" don't know it or twist it to their own needs anyway.
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What I love is when supply chain and contracts tries to push ITAR/EAR compliance onto engineering. I don’t have to deal with it anymore but my response was clear when they tried. “Hey my role is identified in our process you bring me the allowable performance limits and I assess whether we exceed or are under the limit. It’s YOUR job to manage that situation with whatever response I give you. Toodles!”
 
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Vol423 said:
What net percentage of Twitter employees were eliminated after the rehires? I don't want any new feature releases from the government.
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But they're necessary in the software world. You're the one using Twitter as an example
 
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utvolpj said:
But they're necessary in the software world. You're the one using Twitter as an example
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You might want to review the historical logs of this discussion. I didn't bring up Twitter. I just responded to your postsbout Twiiter in which YOU (not me) characterized Elon's elimination of jobs at Twitter as unsuccessful, as if that were relevant to his role in DOGE.

I realize you didn't first bring up Twitter either, but your comment seemed to insinuate a correlation between eliminating Twitter jobs vs government jobs.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
Hendrick Motorsports not Dale Jr.

This was years ago when he was still driving also NASCAR Cup sponsorships aren't cheap.
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At the time he was the most popular driver in the sport and there was a line of sponsors willing to foot the bill. Still didn’t mean it made sense for US gov to do it but his popularity supported the fee.
 
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Vol423 said:
You might want to review the historical logs of this discussion. I didn't bring up Twitter. I just responded to your postsbout Twiiter in which YOU (not me) characterized Elon's elimination of jobs at Twitter as unsuccessful, as if that were relevant to his role in DOGE.

I realize you didn't first bring up Twitter either, but your comment seemed to insinuate a correlation between eliminating Twitter jobs vs government jobs.
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It is absolutely relevant as it speaks to the work done to identify which were critical areas and which were redundant. It's what he's being charged with inside govt. Not sure how you can say there's no correlation
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Wait, what? The .gov is paying Dale Earnhardt 25 million to advertise for them? What a **
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NorthDallas40 said:
At the time he was the most popular driver in the sport and there was a line of sponsors willing to foot the bill. Still didn’t mean it made sense for US gov to do it but his popularity supported the fee.
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Questionable if it was a best use of funds for what is now deemed as a multi-year “branding campaign” since it produced few if any recruits in response.
Between 2011-2013, NGB spent $88 million on NASCAR that could have been better spent assisting on the ground recruiters with localized efforts, yielding an extremely higher percentage of feet in boots, which is whole damn goal of recruiting.
 
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#164
SpaceCoastVol said:
Bid a project and honor that bid. Period. I know how contracting works. I worked as an estimator when I was at UT for a construction company. What needs to be overhauled is the change order process (ya'll might call it something different now).

How is coming in under cost and early bad for both/either party?
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As I detailed - from the contractor side it is lost sales and not hitting financial targets. In a cost plus they don’t get to just keep the money. Now on a fixed price contract under running is the whole game because it’s realized as extra fee. When overrunning on a fixed price, it is on the contractor to make up the difference.

From the government side, they are given a budget and are expected to spend it. If they don’t, budget could get cut the next fiscal year. If they spend more then obviously it has to come from somewhere.

Spending exactly what you say you will and when you say you will is always the best.
 
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utvolpj said:
It is absolutely relevant as it speaks to the work done to identify which were critical areas and which were redundant. It's what he's being charged with inside govt. Not sure how you can say there's no correlation
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Twitter isn’t suffering. Hell people cry about it daily on here yet can’t stay off of it. What about Tesla and Space X? How have they faired?
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Like I was before the UGA game. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Musk fired 80% of the dweebs at Twitter. I hope he can fire 20% of the .gov. that will be epic.
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Not gonna happen. It all has to be done through attrition. You might hear about reduction in force (RIF) actions to be taken, but those take years to complete, mainly because of the federal unions. I've actually done a RIF, it took two years. When I did it I had to give the employees 4 choices: retire if eligible, resign, get terminated, or get reassigned. They all took reassigned. There is zero quick fix to reduce government employment. Make people work more, make it uncomfortable, hold them accountable, encourage them to move on (retire/resign).. <--I have had greater success doing this than actually firing people.

Spending can be reduced. I see telework is on the chopping block and that makes zero sense to me. Congress doesn't even show up to work everyday so that should be handled first (lead by example). If you remove all telework there will be an increased need for offices which increases lease costs and utility costs. Since COVID the government has expanded telework (only like 20% can do it) but that has led to a reduction in office space and lower salaries. If you telework full time your pay is based off of where you live. Expand remote work and get out of as many leased buildings as possible. You can still reduce the workforce through attrition. Remote work? You're going to have a higher workload now.

Move agencies out of DC - I like that idea. That being said when you move them to lower cost of living areas guess what happens? The cost of living goes up.. Also keep in mind the "Agencies" in DC are just the headquarters. 95% of the agencies employees don't work in DC.

A lot of the DOGE ideas being brought up look like they are source from Facebook, Breitbart, and InfoWars.


My first step would be to stop hemorrhaging money to other countries. F*#k them.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Not gonna happen. It all has to be done through attrition. You might hear about reduction in force (RIF) actions to be taken, but those take years to complete, mainly because of the federal unions. I've actually done a RIF, it took two years. When I did it I had to give the employees 4 choices: retire if eligible, resign, get terminated, or get reassigned. They all took reassigned. There is zero quick fix to reduce government employment. Make people work more, make it uncomfortable, hold them accountable, encourage them to move on (retire/resign).. <--I have had greater success doing this than actually firing people.

Spending can be reduced. I see telework is on the chopping block and that makes zero sense to me. Congress doesn't even show up to work everyday so that should be handled first (lead by example). If you remove all telework there will be an increased need for offices which increases lease costs and utility costs. Since COVID the government has expanded telework (only like 20% can do it) but that has led to a reduction in office space and lower salaries. If you telework full time your pay is based off of where you live. Expand remote work and get out of as many leased buildings as possible. You can still reduce the workforce through attrition. Remote work? You're going to have a higher workload now.

Move agencies out of DC - I like that idea. That being said when you move them to lower cost of living areas guess what happens? The cost of living goes up.. Also keep in mind the "Agencies" in DC are just the head quarters. 95% of the agencies employees don't work in DC.

A lot of the DOGE ideas being brought up look like they are source from Facebook, Breitbart, and InfoWars.
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Have to be creative. Set up a complex of office trailers in Bismark, ND and Chyenne, WY then require workers to report to their new offices.
 
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utvolpj said:
Running but not innovating. Many would say the platform has been made worse and less user friendly
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Yah but those "many" would be predominantly Bluesky people - and have you seen the utter s**t show it is over there?
 
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#170
FLVOL_79 said:
Not gonna happen. It all has to be done through attrition. You might hear about reduction in force (RIF) actions to be taken, but those take years to complete, mainly because of the federal unions. I've actually done a RIF, it took two years. When I did it I had to give the employees 4 choices: retire if eligible, resign, get terminated, or get reassigned. They all took reassigned. There is zero quick fix to reduce government employment. Make people work more, make it uncomfortable, hold them accountable, encourage them to move on (retire/resign).. <--I have had greater success doing this than actually firing people.

Spending can be reduced. I see telework is on the chopping block and that makes zero sense to me. Congress doesn't even show up to work everyday so that should be handled first (lead by example). If you remove all telework there will be an increased need for offices which increases lease costs and utility costs. Since COVID the government has expanded telework (only like 20% can do it) but that has led to a reduction in office space and lower salaries. If you telework full time your pay is based off of where you live. Expand remote work and get out of as many leased buildings as possible. You can still reduce the workforce through attrition. Remote work? You're going to have a higher workload now.

Move agencies out of DC - I like that idea. That being said when you move them to lower cost of living areas guess what happens? The cost of living goes up.. Also keep in mind the "Agencies" in DC are just the headquarters. 95% of the agencies employees don't work in DC.

A lot of the DOGE ideas being brought up look like they are source from Facebook, Breitbart, and InfoWars.


My first step would be to stop hemorrhaging money to other countries. F*#k them.
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Saw this post on LI with a WSJ article that I think lays out the approach

In broad strokes, it appears that they will use software to compare the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) against the United States Code (USC) and the President will immediately pause the enforcement and order the review and recension of any regulation that is not explicitly directed by law.

With a reduction in rules and enforcement, the OMB can reduce budget and headcount of the related agency on a "reductions in force" basis, without triggering federal protections for individual employees. Future administrations could not simply hire them back without Congress first passing corresponding legislation that restored the rules (or made new ones) and presumably provided funds and directions for their enforcement.
 
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Gandalf said:
Saw this post on LI with a WSJ article that I think lays out the approach

In broad strokes, it appears that they will use software to compare the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) against the United States Code (USC) and the President will immediately pause the enforcement and order the review and recension of any regulation that is not explicitly directed by law.

With a reduction in rules and enforcement, the OMB can reduce budget and headcount of the related agency on a "reductions in force" basis, without triggering federal protections for individual employees. Future administrations could not simply hire them back without Congress first passing corresponding legislation that restored the rules (or made new ones) and presumably provided funds and directions for their enforcement.
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My agency has slowly been doing this over the past few years. We got a lot of things in the works to reduce building space requirements and staffing numbers. Watching the unions squirm is the best part so far.
 
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Gandalf said:
Saw this post on LI with a WSJ article that I think lays out the approach

In broad strokes, it appears that they will use software to compare the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) against the United States Code (USC) and the President will immediately pause the enforcement and order the review and recension of any regulation that is not explicitly directed by law.

With a reduction in rules and enforcement, the OMB can reduce budget and headcount of the related agency on a "reductions in force" basis, without triggering federal protections for individual employees. Future administrations could not simply hire them back without Congress first passing corresponding legislation that restored the rules (or made new ones) and presumably provided funds and directions for their enforcement.
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yea..Vivek said even using something as random as firing the workers with even or odd ending SSNs.
 
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Orangeburst said:
yea..Vivek said even using something as random as firing the workers with even or odd ending SSNs.
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I'm all about firing people but that's ridiculous. Plenty of folks can get canned for not doing their jobs, the way it should be.
 
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#175
FLVOL_79 said:
I'm all about firing people but that's ridiculous. Plenty of folks can get canned for not doing their jobs, the way it should be.
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It should never be so difficult to adjust the workforce, so everyone can blame the unions for such a blunt instrument having to be used.
 
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