Derek Chauvin trial

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RockyTop85 said:
Lol. Sure. You’re just talking out your ass predicting mistrials and have no idea what the criteria for that is. That’s fair.

Allow me to help:
Judges don’t hand out mistrials like candy at Halloween.
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I agree, they don't, but wasn't a mistrial requested, but denied, over Maxine Waters' comments? And didn't the judge publicly rebuke the congresswoman for her statements and express her words could lead to grounds for appeal?
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Yeah, I was young and wasn’t thinking. I’ve had more interactions with law enforcement than the average person and certainly not all have been traffic stops, although plenty have been, so I’m pretty well practiced now also.
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So are you saying that you can have a lot of interactions with the police and not be shot if you don't get confrontational - or just showing white privilege?
 
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GroverCleveland said:
It could also mean Blacks may be five time more likely to be doing things that wind up with them getting shot.

You are mistaking (or deliberately juxtaposing) statistical correlation with causation.
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You must have missed the memo that clearly explains the "fact" that this country's hundreds of yrs of institutional racism caused these crimes. These young black males aren't personally to blame at all
 
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AM64 said:
So are you saying that you can have a lot of interactions with the police and not be shot if you don't get confrontational - or just showing white privilege?
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Definitely the former. I’ve been profiled, falsely arrested by local cops, arrested by the FBI on charges that were later dismissed, had cops pull a gun on me, been thrown on the hood of a cop car before they ever said a word to me, had cops call me all kinds of things even when being completely respectful, and I have no idea how many other interactions I’ve had from being pulled over, noise complaints in my younger years, and whatever else. I always gave the cops my respect, even when they seemed to not deserve it, and immediately complied with whatever they said. Yes there are racist cops out there just like there are racist lawyers, doctors, and in every profession that exists but most are not.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Definitely the former. I’ve been profiled, falsely arrested by local cops, arrested by the FBI on charges that were later dismissed, had cops pull a gun on me, been thrown on the hood of a cop car before they ever said a word to me, had cops call me all kinds of things even when being completely respectful, and I have no idea how many other interactions I’ve had from being pulled over, noise complaints in my younger years, and whatever else. I always gave the cops my respect, even when they seemed to not deserve it, and immediately complied with whatever they said. Yes there are racist cops out there just like there are racist lawyers, doctors, and in every profession that exists but most are not.
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What kind of life were living to have so many rough interactions with LEOs?
 
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McDad said:
What kind of life were living to have so many rough interactions with LEOs?
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The short answer, not a good one at times. Some of it was just bad luck but not most. I’ve definitely had a tendency to be a rule breaker over the years and eventually that led to an addiction but I’ve definitely had some odd things where I wasn’t doing anything wrong, like the false arrest and actually the time I was thrown on the hood of the car too. Those days are in the past now though! Several of those interactions could’ve gone very differently had I acted in any manner of noncompliance. By the way the FBI acted you’d have thought I had hostages and guns at the ready. One hint of fighting back and that would’ve gotten ugly. They certainly came prepared. Fun for the whole neighborhood!
 
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Weezer said:
I agree, they don't, but wasn't a mistrial requested, but denied, over Maxine Waters' comments? And didn't the judge publicly rebuke the congresswoman for her statements and express her words could lead to grounds for appeal?
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Yes. It was a desperate motion from a lawyer who knew he was losing and multi-purpose theatre from the judge. Without an absolute miracle of proof at the motion for new trial (see above) it’s got about a .00001% chance of having any effect on the appeal.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yes. It was a desperate motion from a lawyer who knew he was losing and multi-purpose theatre from the judge. Without an absolute miracle of proof at the motion for new trial (see above) it’s got about a .00001% chance of having any effect on the appeal.
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I'm sorry, are you claiming to know more than a sitting judge? Seems like the type of assumption you generally ridicule?
 
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hUTch2002 said:
The short answer, not a good one at times. Some of it was just bad luck but not most. I’ve definitely had a tendency to be a rule breaker over the years and eventually that led to an addiction but I’ve definitely had some odd things where I wasn’t doing anything wrong, like the false arrest and actually the time I was thrown on the hood of the car too. Those days are in the past now though! Several of those interactions could’ve gone very differently had I acted in any manner of noncompliance. By the way the FBI acted you’d have thought I had hostages and guns at the ready. One hint of fighting back and that would’ve gotten ugly. They certainly came prepared. Fun for the whole neighborhood!
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Glad you survived it all. I've never understood the overreaction that sometimes makes the news; that's the basis for my feeling that there's a lot of militancy in police departments that needs to get dialed back. At the same time, I have to admit that the few times I've been stopped it's always been professional - and the last couple of times friendly - even resulted in just a warning, so my feelings about aren't even based on personal experience. I have met cops in other circumstances and thought they were jerks who took themselves way too seriously, though.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Cops gonna cop

1 verdict, then 6 police killings across America in 24 hours
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wow, that article couldn't be further from your narrative. Let's look at some excerpts
The circumstances surrounding each death differ widely. Some happened while officers investigated serious crimes. Police say some of the people were armed with a gun, knife or a metal pole. One man claimed to have a bomb that he threatened to detonate. In several cases, little is known about the lives of those killed and what happened in their final moments.
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The white man charged at the officer, who ordered him to drop the pole before opening fire, police said.

Police in Escondido, near San Diego, have not released the man’s name, but did say he had been arrested nearly 200 times over the past two decades for violent assaults on police and the public, drug charges and other crimes. Efforts to get him help from mental health professionals hadn’t worked, the police chief said.
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Weezer said:
I'm sorry, are you claiming to know more than a sitting judge? Seems like the type of assumption you generally ridicule?
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You’re assuming the judge meant what he said and didn’t say it to shut waters up or say it to mollify the defendant after losing the motion.

The law is meant to be predictable. It’s not an assumption to say that’s a bad issue for appeal, barring some evidentiary miracle at the motion for new trial.

This woman’s statements to the media don’t satisfy that evidentiary miracle requirement.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You’re assuming the judge meant what he said and didn’t say it to shut waters up or say it to mollify the defendant after losing the motion.

The law is meant to be predictable. It’s not an assumption to say that’s a bad issue for appeal, barring some evidentiary miracle at the motion for new trial.

This woman’s statements to the media don’t satisfy that evidentiary miracle requirement.
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I also tend to think his comment wasn't a message to the lawyers, it was a message to the politicians. And part of that message was "this courtroom is my sandbox and you need to stay out of it."
 
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RockyTop85 said:
You’re assuming the judge meant what he said and didn’t say it to shut waters up or say it to mollify the defendant after losing the motion.

The law is meant to be predictable. It’s not an assumption to say that’s a bad issue for appeal, barring some evidentiary miracle at the motion for new trial.

This woman’s statements to the media don’t satisfy that evidentiary miracle requirement.
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I think the general assumption when someone says something in that setting is they mean what they say.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
The short answer, not a good one at times. Some of it was just bad luck but not most. I’ve definitely had a tendency to be a rule breaker over the years and eventually that led to an addiction but I’ve definitely had some odd things where I wasn’t doing anything wrong, like the false arrest and actually the time I was thrown on the hood of the car too. Those days are in the past now though! Several of those interactions could’ve gone very differently had I acted in any manner of noncompliance. By the way the FBI acted you’d have thought I had hostages and guns at the ready. One hint of fighting back and that would’ve gotten ugly. They certainly came prepared. Fun for the whole neighborhood!
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For whatever it's worth, glad you made it through those days and you're on a better path.
 
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clarksvol00 said:
I also tend to think his comment wasn't a message to the lawyers, it was a message to the politicians. And part of that message was "this courtroom is my sandbox and you need to stay out of it."
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A message the politicians didn't get apparently and even upped the ante via the highest office in the land.
 
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