Derek Chauvin trial

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Tyler Durden said:
By your own standard their opinion isn't wrong because opinions can't be wrong. You don't understand the fundamentals of facts vs opinions. It's the jury's opinion that Chauvin murdered Floyd. The facts of the circumstances around the murder dictate that second degree murder charge wholly appropriate to convict him. I think you need to pull a Billy Madison and go back through elementary school.
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Good. So you agree that Zimmerman is self defense and Casey Anthony is innocent, so is OJ.
 
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Weezer said:
@RockyTop85

Would you like to educate your fellows on how a jury verdict is a legal opinion? It's binding under law, but still an opinion. We've seen innocent men go to jail and guilty ones go free.
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“Even with second degree, I believe there is a level of intent, it just doesn't reach the same level as first degree.”

Is provably wrong. You jumped off the top rope face first into a pile of **** and now you’re complaining about the smell.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
By your own standard their opinion isn't wrong because opinions can't be wrong. You don't understand the fundamentals of facts vs opinions. It's the jury's opinion that Chauvin murdered Floyd. The facts of the circumstances around the murder dictate that second degree murder charge wholly appropriate to convict him. I think you need to pull a Billy Madison and go back through elementary school.
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Opinions exist in the absence of fact. When facts dictate something different, opinions become invalid. Again, it's a simple concept. I'm not sure why you're having such a hard time comprehending it?
 
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Weezer said:
BTW, I'm sorry if this advances beyond your second grade education, Jethro.
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It's a simple question, and you're unable to answer it. Your statement that opinions can't be wrong is the most idiotic thing I've seen on here in a while. I'm trying to get you to either educate yourself or enlighten the rest of us in a way that is contrary to everything the human race has known from the beginning of time.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
“Even with second degree, I believe there is a level of intent, it just doesn't reach the same level as first degree.”

Is provably wrong. You jumped off the top rope face first into a pile of **** and now you’re complaining about the smell.
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So there aren't levels of intent? Then why do different degrees of murder charges exist?
 
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Tyler Durden said:
It's a simple question, and you're unable to answer it. Your statement that opinions can't be wrong is the most idiotic thing I've seen on here in a while. I'm trying to get you to either educate yourself or enlighten the rest of us in a way that is contrary to everything the human race has known from the beginning of time.
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Opinions become invalid when facts arise to dispute their authenticity. Again, opinions exist in the absence of fact.
 
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utvols88 said:
It's an opinion, you doofus. The jurors make up 12 opinions. You're allowed to disagree with the jury.

Do you think George Zimmerman should have been found guilty?

How about Casey Anthony?
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No, I wasn't referring to his opinion on the outcome.

Its the fact that he continually bases his opinion on "intent" when Chauvin's charges had nothing to do with intent and as such the prosecution made no attempt to claim he did.

The charge was 2nd degree "unintentional murder"
 
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Tyler Durden said:
It's a simple question, and you're unable to answer it. Your statement that opinions can't be wrong is the most idiotic thing I've seen on here in a while. I'm trying to get you to either educate yourself or enlighten the rest of us in a way that is contrary to everything the human race has known from the beginning of time.
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Opinions aren't really right or wrong. They exist in the absence of proof . . . which is what makes them opinions instead of facts. There are definitely stupid opinions, but they're still not definitively wrong . . . yet.
 
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utvols88 said:
It's an opinion, you doofus. The jurors make up 12 opinions. You're allowed to disagree with the jury.

Do you think George Zimmerman should have been found guilty?

How about Casey Anthony?
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Agreed. A verdict is not an irrefutably correct and absolutely moral decision. Whether or not it was the correct decision in this instance is yet to be seen, imo.
 
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This is what I don’t understand. I’m for the police. GF was a criminal and all drugged up. The police had him handcuffed where was he going to go especially with so many officers there. Let lay on the ground if he would of tried to get up and run use him as taser practice.
 
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GAVol said:
People are wrong all the time. They just usually aren't totally wrong immediately.

I help run a message board. I've got a PhD in "Man, that's dumb".
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you are doing a bang up job by the way. I mostly left the gamecock board cause the moderators were airheads
 
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appvol said:
This is what I don’t understand. I’m for the police. GF was a criminal and all drugged up. The police had him handcuffed where was he going to go especially with so many officers there. Let lay on the ground if he would of tried to get up and run use him as taser practice.
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That's the depravity of the whole situation. I don't know if it was 30 seconds, 1 minute or 3 minutes after he stopped moving, but there was a point where any reasonable person would have taken that knee off Floyd's neck.
 
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GAVol said:
Opinions aren't really right or wrong. They exist in the absence of proof . . . which is what makes them opinions instead of facts. There are definitely stupid opinions, but they're still not definitively wrong . . . yet.
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But when facts exist and someone's opinion blatantly disregards them that opinion is most definitely wrong.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
True, but they were also under tremendous pressure to find him guilty..... no way I’d have wanted to be in their position
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If some evidence comes to light of them paying any attention to that and that influencing someone, I'm willing to listen. Courts have various tests for evaluating that on appeal.

But it seems unlikely to me that it would cause all 12 to vote guilty when they otherwise would not have.
 
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GAVol said:
That's the depravity of the whole situation. I don't know if it was 30 seconds, 1 minute or 3 minutes after he stopped moving, but there was a point where any reasonable person would have taken that knee off Floyd's neck.
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Like when he started saying he couldn't breathe and started screaming for his momma. I get that criminals will say anything to get away, but better to side with caution than not.
 
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