DeShields once again leads the team in turnovers.

#76
#76
PRG said:
She is doing what Holly wants everyone to do............force the ball inside no matter what! She understands the game better than her teammates and tries to pass the ball where they should be going... Her trying to be a facilitator and them not knowing what they should do is creating turnovers.

I wish she would take more shots.... At least she does not hesitate! Carter (WONT) JORDAN (WONT) MIDDLETON (WONT) Everyone is afraid to shoot! Even when we do get the ball inside (Mersedes) will not shoot unless it is right where she wants it! SHES 6'6" jeeeessszzz. take the shot!
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Coach publicly threw them under the bus for shooting earlier in the year. So it is reasonable to expect the hesitation and second guessing... which leads to lower %.
 
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#77
#77
Slydell said:
For those attacking, for lack of a better word, Diamond on the turnovers, the majority of the ones I've seen is where she is trying to get in to another player to score. That's not selfish, to me.
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You're right that trying to make the assist is unselfish.

The problem is trying to assist with very low percentage, flashy passes that make SportsCenter if they are successful, but look very sloppy if they don't. And too many of them don't.
 
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#78
#78
Most of those passes were lazy. Come on now, let's be real. I mean most of them were too no one. wuteva.
 
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#81
Sandvol said:
The thing that it so puzzling about Diamond for instance if she played Breanna Stewart in one on one she could probably beat her half the time. I'd say they're fairly equally gifted. But Breanna is so much more a team player than Diamond and she makes everyone around her better. Not even close.
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Stewart's numbers -

PPG - 19.9
FG % - 59%
3pt% - 43%
RPG - 8.3
Assists - 95
Turnovers - 39 (1.7 p/g)
Steals - 41
Blocks - 79

Feel free to add DD's numbers as proof that the two are fairly "evenly gifted". When it comes to athletic competition gifted only counts when you can get it done in the arena.
 
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#83
#83
Stewart is better than everybody in the college game and probably close to the best player in the world.
 
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#84
What I can't figure out is why holly leaves DD in the game after turnovers. Sit her butt on the bench after each one and I'll bet you money that stuff stops. Also, Nared has been killing it, so I really shouldn't complain, but those shots near the basket are killing me. Is the reason she leans backwards on those shots (thus almost always falling down clumsily) because she can't jump more than 6 inches and they would otherwise get blocked or because nobody has ever taught her how to go strong to the basket?
 
#85
#85
Diamond does sit when she makes unforced turnovers and is the main reason she is not starting. A lot of her turnovers are caused because players on the Tennessee team can't catch the ball sad but true and that can also be said for the other guards turnover totals.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Breanna is more experienced, but she is clearly a much better Basketball Player than Diamond, and it ain't even close.
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Plus Stewie is in a "system", a "program" that is structured, disciplined and she is held accountable. Geno is no joke and his program is basically running itself right now even though he's trying to squeeze more and more perfection out of them.

Look at where UConn puts Stewie in the game and look at their offense. They know how to attack a zone, they know how to beat your press, they know how to beat you man-to-man.

DD has a very high BB IQ despite her turnovers. But when you play in a system that has no philosophy and does not make adjustments well, you have what you are seeing now.

Someone posted on a thread that in the SC game Russell had established position on the block but instead of Nared dumping it down to her, she dribbled away. That's a problem and indicative of a team without a philosophy. Because if there was one featuring Russell on the block, every player would know to dump it down when she establishes position no matter what.
 
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brassie said:
Stewart's numbers -

PPG - 19.9
FG % - 59%
3pt% - 43%
RPG - 8.3
Assists - 95
Turnovers - 39 (1.7 p/g)
Steals - 41
Blocks - 79

Feel free to add DD's numbers as proof that the two are fairly "evenly gifted". When it comes to athletic competition gifted only counts when you can get it done in the arena.
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Diamond would finally have someone who could catch a pass! And everyone (including Diamond) would KNOW where they were supposed to be on the floor!

Her turnovers would be much better because they would not be tolerated!
 
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#89
something has been going on with Diamond the last couple of weeks,in the SC game as soon as she came she made a turnover,is if confidence or over thinking it ? I'm not sure what it is,but she is a better player than what she has been showing lately,I'm pretty sure she will work through it,but it sucks right now :)

and i don't get all the dumb turnovers at all,the mystery passes to nobody,the passes to the interior when somebody is standing right in front of the person that is suppose to receive the pass and they seem to have forgotten how to effectively use a bounce pass and lets not forget the dreaded I should have been looking for a pass look when it sails past them

is it the players or the coaching ? I'm not sure which one it is,it is bound to be a mix of both,I'm sure the coaching staff doesn't want them passing to the other teams players, as happens often in the paint
 
#90
#90
There are Lady Vol fans cursing because Holly doesn't play DD enough, and Lady Vol fans cursing because Holly plays DD too much.
 
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#91
Franklin Pierce said:
There are Lady Vol fans cursing because Holly doesn't play DD enough, and Lady Vol fans cursing because Holly plays DD too much.
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I think you play her, maybe even start her, until she makes a turnover, then sit her immediately for 3 or 4 minutes. When she makes the next turnover, sit her again immediately for 3 or 4 minutes. Repeat as long as is necessary to stop the behavior. I'd almost say to do the same thing if she takes more than two shots back to back. It drives me nuts when she comes in the game and immediately takes four shots on four consecutive possessions and throws two balls away and Holly leaves her on the floor.
 
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#92
#92
Or, start her but pull her after the second throwaway or takes shots with no one ready to rebound, as though it is 5 on 1 ball. Let her sit a good long while to consider what is going on. That's the only way you get her attention,or that of Tea for that matter. How did they ever play on the same team (or did they) previously (not high school)?
 
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#93
#93
It's gotten to where you can almost predict what is going to happen each time: crazy-hard pass into the middle (fumbled then stolen), one person vs 5 with off-balance, missed pull shot, or no look pass to someone not expecting the ball. Throw in a few behind the back dribbles, a spin move, and an occasional score. Rinse and repeat.
 
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#94
#94
there are four girls on this team with worse assist-to-turnover ratios. I have watched bad passes, yes... But i have also seen good passes that were dropped, much, much, more. Good passes are the ones that are caught.

I'm not defending ALL of DD's theatrics, but, when she delivers a pass or entry that bounces past an expecting player or hits them in the hands and they drop it, SHE gets the TO, not them.
 
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#95
Vols said:
I think you play her, maybe even start her, until she makes a turnover, then sit her immediately for 3 or 4 minutes. When she makes the next turnover, sit her again immediately for 3 or 4 minutes. Repeat as long as is necessary to stop the behavior. I'd almost say to do the same thing if she takes more than two shots back to back. It drives me nuts when she comes in the game and immediately takes four shots on four consecutive possessions and throws two balls away and Holly leaves her on the floor.
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DD once hit 7 3-pt'ers in a HS game... Not one of the others have hit more than 4 in a game in their career.

DD's problems aren't going to be solved by sitting her, they will be solved when she gets in front of a coach who isn't intimidated by her.
 
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Coach Jumper said:
...when she delivers a pass or entry that bounces past an expecting player or hits them in the hands and they drop it, SHE gets the TO, not them.
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I have seen more passes to players that weren't expecting them. Which is a sign that the players don't practice together often enough or DD is making passes that she has been told not to try. Based on Holly's history, I believe it to be the former - the players don't practice full court offense enough.
 
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#98
I agree, she prolly doing a lot of player development, one on one, it will help them going forward.

This year is all about the building, she has to build a lot of ladies into good basketball players. Once, she saw zone, actually its helping to speed up the ladies development, they are truly getting to work on fundamentals, and we are also, able to see players development or lack thereof, so I agree, young team, she's prolly working on a lot situations, spacing, good shots, jump shots...skill player development, that's the Lady Vols system, the first two years, unless your skilled.

A lot of players are not at Diamond level right now, with BB IQ or the way she likes to play the game. (And she hasn't been playing all that hot too, so confidence.)With Draya or Reynolds at point she can't play her game. Diamond traditionally loved to attack on offense...always in attack or score mode. She's not playing with players with the same mindset. Go figure.

Some of our players are not as skilled as we initially thought, some have embraced the challenges this season, and some have not, and a lot of our ladies games have been exposed...

Each players has to be feel skilled enough or have spots on the floor, where they feel comfortable to score, the problems is for the a lot of those areas are being taken away by good coaching, now our ladies have to make each other better, we still don't have alot movement on offense or defense... our ladies still do a lot of standing around.

Yeah, full court offense and defense... Seems like a lot of half court stuff, rather than a bunch of push pace, attack the basket, then fall back run the offense, each lady right now is playing at her own pace, and its not matching up as a team...

Once they realize how to play together, its over, and the zones should have helped, which is the surprising part, cos you can talk the zone and helps you become a better team cos you have to work together for the best shot by the best player, its a shooting percentage game.

If all the ladies attacked the rim, or was trying to get the ball in position to score or get to the rim, some of Diamond's turnovers would be assists. I agree.
 
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#99
This is the first time, me not seeing Diamond not in attack mode. I've actually seen her not in attack mode in more games, than I have. She has to find a way to still get her shots, we need her being a lil more selfish and creative but within the system, til the other player catches up.

So it a lot of learning and.... going on...

But Diamond was suppose to be so good, with her ability to take over games, All American, it would allow the ladies time to catch up, but injuries... pressure, wuteva dat has not happened.
 
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