Details on Pearl Saga

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LawVol13 said:
According to this person, the NCAA did not think the picture was an issue until Pearl admitted his wrongdoing. Therefore, they wouldn't have even asked Craft, Selby, etc. about the picture because they didn't consider it an issue.
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LV, now maybe you understand what some of us were thinking during the process, vs being blind Pearlophites or whatever other things were/are being tossed around. This is why I always said BP panicked, and it was mainly due to covering his assisstants. Terrible idea, obviously. He mishandled the entire situation and had to go. Yet someone like Calhoun lies and throws his assts under the bus, is lauded for "handling" the issues and walks away with an NC for much more serious violations.
 
#29
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pl3 said:
LV, now maybe you understand what some of us were thinking during the process, vs being blind Pearlophites or whatever other things were/are being tossed around. This is why I always said BP panicked, and it was mainly due to covering his assisstants. Terrible idea, obviously. He mishandled the entire situation and had to go. Yet someone like Calhoun lies and throws his assts under the bus, is lauded for "handling" the issues and walks away with an NC for much more serious violations.
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I don't think this exonerates Pearl by any means nor do I think Pearl's sole reason for lying was because he just panicked. I think it was more a sense of arrogance and just generally being unethical; however, I do recognize that he was placed in a tough spot when his dumbass assistants all went in and lied before Pearl got in there. I think by those guys lying, it shows that there was just a culture of arrogance and unethical behavior going in in the basketball program. But, I definitely can sympathize with the position Pearl was placed in.
 
#30
#30
LawVol13 said:
I don't think this exonerates Pearl by any means nor do I think Pearl's sole reason for lying was because he just panicked. I think it was more a sense of arrogance and just generally being unethical; however, I do recognize that he was placed in a tough spot when his dumbass assistants all went in and lied before Pearl got in there. I think by those guys lying, it shows that there was just a culture of arrogance and unethical behavior going in in the basketball program. But, I definitely can sympathize with the position Pearl was placed in.
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"Whatever it is they have, just deny it until we figure out what's going on", is pretty much verbatim what BP told his assts. That may be unethical, arrogant, or many other terms. That same meeting occurs with every coaching staff immediately when they know the 'AA is coming to town. Problem is that common sense failed to come into play.
 
#31
#31
pl3 said:
"Whatever it is they have, just deny it until we figure out what's going on", is pretty much verbatim what BP told his assts. That may be unethical, arrogant, or many other terms. That same meeting occurs with every coaching staff immediately when they know the 'AA is coming to town.
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After they see coach after coach getting nailed with show causes after adhering to that stance, I doubt that's the meeting that goes on on every campus.
 
#32
#32
That would be an absolutely absurd approach to an NCAA investigation. If you deny facts, you obviously have to lie to do so. The penalty for lying is quite severe and in the Pearl case, telling the truth would have resulted in secondary violations and keeping your job. Wouldn't make much sense to take the deny eveything approach.
 
#33
#33
You guys are both wrong on this point. Coaches lie to investigators in virtually every interview with the NCAA, whether it's denial of an event, denial of knowledge of an event, or however you want to put it.
As soon as you find an investigation and interviews the 'AA conducts with coaching staffs where the staff members fess up on the spot to wrongdoing, it will be the first.
 
#34
#34
pl3 said:
You guys are both wrong on this point. Coaches lie to investigators in virtually every interview with the NCAA, whether it's denial of an event, denial of knowledge of an event, or however you want to put it.
As soon as you find an investigation and interviews the 'AA conducts with coaching staffs where the staff members fess up on the spot to wrongdoing, it will be the first.
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I disagree. I'm sure they're encouraged not to be incredibly forthcoming about violations they're committing. But, there's a difference from blatantly lying and being less than forthcoming.
 
#35
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LawVol13 said:
I disagree. I'm sure they're encouraged not to be incredibly forthcoming about violations they're committing. But, there's a difference from blatantly lying and being less than forthcoming.
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Semantics. If you are aware of wrongdoing, but insist you have no idea what is going on, it's one in the same.
 
#36
#36
pl3 said:
Semantics. If you are aware of wrongdoing, but insist you have no idea what is going on, it's one in the same.
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Yes, that's what pearl and the boys did. Coaches are normally just guarded and don't volunteer info. That's different from just lying. It's really not semantics.
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#37
#37
Don't understand why they think the NCAA wouldn't think the picture wasn't a big deal when it was sent to them by Ohio St (obviously). And if it wasn't a big deal they wouldn't have been investigating.

Pearl could have easily avoided all this by not having Craft to his house in the first place.
 
#41
#41
LawVol13 said:
Yes, that's what pearl and the boys did. Coaches are normally just guarded and don't volunteer info. That's different from just lying. It's really not semantics.
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Just for example, when Cal was told that having Larry brown in, after the fact, was a violation and he reported it as "I didn't know", is that lying or not volunteering the correct information?
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#43
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emainvol said:
Yeah, it kind of flies directly in the face of everything that has been reported to this point.
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Reported by VolNation insiders? Where has it been reported that the NCAA knew it was his house before he went back and told them? Besides VolNation.
 
#44
#44
emainvol said:
Yeah, it kind of flies directly in the face of everything that has been reported to this point. It might be true, but it sounds like a bunch of CYA bull**** to me.
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sounds like a very typical way of laying the blame on everyone else, then pretending you fell on your sword to defend them. The picture made the session because somebody knew something was fishy and those offering up the picture to the AA damn well knew. Makes no sense that they would have just said ho-hum and moved on. Now, the point about the AA not knowing the full truth until Pearl verified it for them makes some sense. If that's the case, Pearl isn't quite the charlatan that this case has made him out to be, but he isn't the pope either.
 
#45
#45
I don't see it as falling on the sword. It was his plan, so he has too. The assts didn't call a meeting. He just never thought it may be something so obvious. When his assts denied the pic per the plan, bp stuck with it. Just foolish on so many levels.
I think if only bp is interviewed, he fesses up. Jmo. There would be no reason for lying about it.
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#46
#46
Muschump said:
Reported by VolNation insiders? Where has it been reported that the NCAA knew it was his house before he went back and told them? Besides VolNation.
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Well, there was this Cookout starts former Vols' head coach Bruce Pearl's downfall

and there was certainly more. I will work from the assumption that you simply missed it and are not being intentionally contentious, but it is out there and I am pretty sure you can find it with minimal digging.
 
#48
#48
LawVol,

I can appreciate your acknowledgement that many, including yourself, were quick to jump to the most negative conclusions possible. I tried to give Pearl the benefit of the doubt as long as I could until it became grossly obvious that the only course of action was termination. He still lied to the highest governing body in his field, for which he should have been punished. He was put in a tough spot, and the whole ordeal was completely mismanaged by his bosses, as well as UT's legal council. Pearl was never put in a position to win this battle, which is the mistake of his superiors. However, he put himself in the situation and must live with the consequences. I respect you for admitting that this may not have been as black and white as many believed and opening your mind to other possibilities.
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#49
#49
LawVol13 said:
I don't think this exonerates Pearl by any means nor do I think Pearl's sole reason for lying was because he just panicked. I think it was more a sense of arrogance and just generally being unethical; however, I do recognize that he was placed in a tough spot when his dumbass assistants all went in and lied before Pearl got in there. I think by those guys lying, it shows that there was just a culture of arrogance and unethical behavior going in in the basketball program. But, I definitely can sympathize with the position Pearl was placed in.
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Instead of telling his assistans "okay, let's go the NCAA and make this right" he said "Let's lie and hope this work." Right there he was in the wrong.
 
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