Diamond Deshields

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Franklin Pierce said:
Getting conflicting information regarding the seriousness of Diamond's injury, it seems.

Please don't let her be another Tucker.
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Where are you getting this conflicting information? Rantings and musings from fans on message boards or self-styled "insiders" who are nothing more than fringe outliers do not count as information; rather, that would be something called speculation. Speculation and information are two very different things, though those who are gullible or perpetually negative tend to regularly confuse them. The fact is, the head coach herself said Diamond is good to go, but the staff is being cautious with her. The more overall time an injury has to heal, the better. Those who have an actual knowledge of the situation and a say in how it is handled -- including Diamond herself -- are looking to Diamond's contributions starting in November, not during a fun but otherwise relatively unimportant summer trip to Italy.
 
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ivyleague said:
Where are you getting this conflicting information? Rantings and musings from fans on message boards or self-styled "insiders" who are nothing more than fringe outliers do not count as information; rather, that would be something called speculation. Speculation and information are two very different things, though those who are gullible or perpetually negative tend to regularly confuse them. The fact is, the head coach herself said Diamond is good to go, but the staff is being cautious with her. The more overall time an injury has to heal, the better. Those who have an actual knowledge of the situation and a say in how it is handled -- including Diamond herself -- are looking to Diamond's contributions starting in November, not during a fun but otherwise relatively unimportant summer trip to Italy.
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I am assuming, then, that You are an insider, and you Know that Diamond does not have an injury that will prevent her from practicing with the team when practice begins, and that she will be 100 per-cent healed come the first game of the season?
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
I am assuming, then, that You are an insider, and you Know that Diamond does not have an injury that will prevent her from practicing with the team when practice begins, and that she will be 100 per-cent healed come the first game of the season?
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Are you able to read for comprehension? I'm not an insider and nothing I said suggested such. However, I believe what the head coach said -- that Diamond is fine but they are being cautious with her by allowing her leg more time to heal and become completely pain-free. Carter and Graves also had surgery after last season ended and common sense says they very well may not play on the Italy trip, either. I imagine this board will probably go into meltdown mode if that is actually the case.

So, who is your source that Diamond is suffering from such a severe injury that she may well not be able to play in November? Holly certainly hasn't said anything of the sort, and she has been practicing with the team. She played well enough during tryouts to be chosen for USA basketball. So where are you getting your information? Those who engage in message board histrionics?

Nothing I have read or heard from anyone with actual knowledge even remotely implies that Diamond will not be able to play in November. The only place I've heard that is from hysterical, hand-wringing fans on message boards.
 
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ivyleague said:
Where are you getting this conflicting information? Rantings and musings from fans on message boards or self-styled "insiders" who are nothing more than fringe outliers do not count as information; rather, that would be something called speculation. Speculation and information are two very different things, though those who are gullible or perpetually negative tend to regularly confuse them. The fact is, the head coach herself said Diamond is good to go, but the staff is being cautious with her. The more overall time an injury has to heal, the better. Those who have an actual knowledge of the situation and a say in how it is handled -- including Diamond herself -- are looking to Diamond's contributions starting in November, not during a fun but otherwise relatively unimportant summer trip to Italy.
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+1
 
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ivyleague said:
Are you able to read for comprehension? I'm not an insider and nothing I said suggested such. However, I believe what the head coach said -- that Diamond is fine but they are being cautious with her by allowing her leg more time to heal and become completely pain-free. Carter and Graves also had surgery after last season ended and common sense says they very well may not play on the Italy trip, either. I imagine this board will probably go into meltdown mode if that is actually the case.

So, who is your source that Diamond is suffering from such a severe injury that she may well not be able to play in November? Holly certainly hasn't said anything of the sort, and she has been practicing with the team. She played well enough during tryouts to be chosen for USA basketball. So where are you getting your information? Those who engage in message board histrionics?

Nothing I have read or heard from anyone with actual knowledge even remotely implies that Diamond will not be able to play in November. The only place I've heard that is from hysterical, hand-wringing fans on message boards.
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So, despite the approximately 200 words you chose to use in your pretentious and outraged post; the bottom line is you don't know anymore about Diamond's injury than the very people you chose to blast in your post.
 
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Silence Dogood said:
So, despite the approximately 200 words you chose to use in your pretentious and outraged post; the bottom line is you don't know anymore about Diamond's injury than the very people you chose to blast in your post.
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I know that the head coach said that she is fine. That's good enough for me. Why is that not good enough for you? Do you presume message board hand-wringers to know more than the head coach about the health and wellbeing of the players on the team?

By the way, you did not use the semicolon correctly in your comment.
 
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ivyleague said:
I know that the head coach said that she is fine. That's good enough for me. Why is that not good enough for you? Do you presume message board hand-wringers to know more than the head coach about the health and wellbeing of the players on the team?

By the way, you did not use the semicolon correctly in your comment.
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You don't know anymore than anyone else on this board.

But don't give up trying to be the guardian of the truth about player injuries. We all await your updates.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
You don't know anymore than anyone else on this board.
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I know that the head coach said that Diamond DeShields is fine. She did not say that Diamond is "day to day." She did not say "no comment." She did not say she doesn't know or that she doesn't have any information. She didn't make vague references to the situation being in the hands of medical professionals. Had she said any of the above, or anything akin to any of the above, I could understand the concern. However, she didn't say anything of the sort. She quite literally said that Diamond is "good to go." However, she explained that the staff and Diamond herself are simply being cautious because of the previous injury and surgery and that Diamond is slowly working herself back up to speed. How any reasonable person could translate that into an "OH MY GOD DIAMOND IS OUT FOR THE SEASON OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!!! is beyond me.

The real question is, why don't you believe the head coach? Do you think random people ranting and speculating on a message board know more than the head coach? Holly said Diamond is and will be fine. Why is that so difficult to accept? Why are you so willing to lend credence to negative speculation from people who know nothing about the situation over the actual words from the head coach who is closest to and has the most knowledge of it? That makes absolutely no sense.

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But don't give up trying to be the guardian of the truth about player injuries. We all await your updates.
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Oh, for crying out loud. What on earth is wrong with you? Are you the guardian of the batsh*t crazy hand wringers who post here?
 
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gule said:
I seem to remember Holly telling us that Tucker was fit & ready too? How did that work out? :(
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The two situations are night and day and cannot be compared. So, don't compare them. From what I understand, Tucker was medically cleared to play; it was Tucker who was hesitant to return to in-game situations. If I recall correctly, Holly even said as much -- essentially, that Tucker was medically cleared but was still not comfortable with the stability of her leg or being in the game. No coach worth his or her salt would force a player to return to the court if the player doesn't feel physically ready to do so, regardless of what the medical staff says. The SEC is an incredibly physical conference, and Tucker had dealt with several years' worth of extreme trauma to her leg. It's perfectly understandable that she was hesitant, both on a psychological and on a physical level, and hence it's no surprise that she transferred out of the SEC and into a much less physical and less demanding conference. Given what had happened to her, playing in the SEC probably wasn't the best option for her.

Diamond's injury is different in that I don't think it was in any measure as severe or debilitating as Tucker's (not to discount Diamond's injury -- it was obviously severe enough to require surgery, but not anything like Tucker's). Tucker, if you recall, not only suffered an ACL injury in high school which may or may not have healed properly or been rehabilitated properly, but then she suffered significant damage to her already injured leg because of abuse. She hadn't played organized basketball in two years. The situations are vastly different. Even when Holly commented that Tucker had been medically cleared, she also noted repeatedly that Tucker was still trying to get comfortable with being back on the court and was still worried about her leg holding up. Apparently she never got to the point that she was comfortable or confident that the leg was where it needed to be in order for her to have a successful career at a top program in a difficult and physically demanding conference.

For what it's worth, short of something catastrophic, I don't think a team of wild horses could keep Diamond off the court this fall.
 
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ivyleague said:
The two situations are night and day and cannot be compared. So, don't compare them. From what I understand, Tucker was medically cleared to play; it was Tucker who was hesitant to return to in-game situations. If I recall correctly, Holly even said as much -- essentially, that Tucker was medically cleared but was still not comfortable with the stability of her leg or being in the game. No coach worth his or her salt would force a player to return to the court if the player doesn't feel physically ready to do so, regardless of what the medical staff says. The SEC is an incredibly physical conference, and Tucker had dealt with several years' worth of extreme trauma to her leg. It's perfectly understandable that she was hesitant, both on a psychological and on a physical level, and hence it's no surprise that she transferred out of the SEC and into a much less physical and less demanding conference. Given what had happened to her, playing in the SEC probably wasn't the best option for her.

Diamond's injury is different in that I don't think it was in any measure as severe or debilitating as Tucker's (not to discount Diamond's injury -- it was obviously severe enough to require surgery, but not anything like Tucker's). Tucker, if you recall, not only suffered an ACL injury in high school which may or may not have healed properly or been rehabilitated properly, but then she suffered significant damage to her already injured leg because of abuse. She hadn't played organized basketball in two years. The situations are vastly different. Even when Holly commented that Tucker had been medically cleared, she also noted repeatedly that Tucker was still trying to get comfortable with being back on the court and was still worried about her leg holding up. Apparently she never got to the point that she was comfortable or confident that the leg was where it needed to be in order for her to have a successful career at a top program in a difficult and physically demanding conference.

For what it's worth, short of something catastrophic, I don't think a team of wild horses could keep Diamond off the court this fall.
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The idea that playing in another conference will be less demanding on Tucker's knee--or less demanding in any way--is utterly laughable. Basketball is basketball: it puts the same demands on the body, and the knees, regardless of who you are playing or what conference you are in: you run, you cut, you twist, you turn, you jump-- no matter if you are playing Little Sisters of the Poor or LSU. And lots of little schools have big players. I'm pretty sure that susceptibility to knee injury does not vary by conference!

Also, am I to understand from your post that Tucker's abusive boyfriend beat her legs and/or her knees? Hadn't heard it, seems preposterous, maybe I missed it.

We also had the same issue about medical clearance with Massengale after her concussion. Warlick at one time, a couple of weeks or after the face slap, was saying she was "day to day," and then she was cleared to play--but she didn't play, because Massengale didn't feel comfortable playing; did not return the whole year. It was a little strange, even given how serious some concussions can be, but UT has had a lot of weirdly bad luck with injuries and players recently.
 
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armchair said:
the idea that playing in another conference will be less demanding on tucker's knee--or less demanding in any way--is utterly laughable. Basketball is basketball: It puts the same demands on the body, and the knees, regardless of who you are playing or what conference you are in: You run, you cut, you twist, you turn, you jump-- no matter if you are playing little sisters of the poor or lsu. And lots of little schools have big players. I'm pretty sure that susceptibility to knee injury does not vary by conference!

Also, am i to understand from your post that tucker's abusive boyfriend beat her legs and/or her knees? Hadn't heard it, seems preposterous, maybe i missed it.

We also had the same issue about medical clearance with massengale after her concussion. Warlick at one time, a couple of weeks or after the face slap, was saying she was "day to day," and then she was cleared to play--but she didn't play, because massengale didn't feel comfortable playing; did not return the whole year. It was a little strange, even given how serious some concussions can be, but ut has had a lot of weirdly bad luck with injuries and players recently.
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nwrt . . . other than to add that yes, as preposterous as you may think it to be, Tucker's abuser did reportedly beat her with a dog chain on her legs in an attempt to hurt her so badly that she couldn't play basketball again (you can read about it here:

Maryland man arrested for assault of Tennessee recruit Jannah Tucker | fullcourt.com | Inside Women's Basketball)

Her situation is wholly unlike Diamond's on every level.
 
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Originally Posted by Ladyvol777:
"Holly Warlick said the other day in an interview she was ready to go now. She said she could have played some in the word games but she was smart not to play."

Then why did Diamond tryout? Why did I read that Breanna Stewart and Diamond were the best two players at the tryouts? And then read in another article that Diamond 💎 had to sit out most of training camp? Diamond wouldn't have taken a spot from someone else if she hadn't been planning to play. I am convinced something happened. Either swelling, pain, or a new injury.
 
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mcannon1 said:
Originally Posted by Ladyvol777:
"Holly Warlick said the other day in an interview she was ready to go now. She said she could have played some in the word games but she was smart not to play."

Then why did Diamond tryout? Why did I read that Breanna Stewart and Diamond were the best two players at the tryouts? And then read in another article that Diamond �� had to sit out most of training camp? Diamond wouldn't have taken a spot from someone else if she hadn't been planning to play. I am convinced something happened. Either swelling, pain, or a new injury.
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I am not convinced that this is a new injury or anything that could have a devastating impact on team's season. Far from it. I believe that more than likely the old injury was still giving her pain, especially after intense practices started. Keep in mind, as well, that the WUG games were exceptionally demanding, with back-to-back-to-back games held over the course of one week. (And while basketball season is undeniably tough, there is at least some down time between games for players to rest and recuperate; that isn't so much the case with tournaments.) I believe the most likely and logical explanation is that Diamond was still experiencing some lingering pain and sitting out was a precautionary issue given the demanding schedule. Risking aggravating the injury simply wasn't worth it, and I think it's good that Holly was there to see to it that Diamond didn't overdo herself. If it had been a new injury, Holly would likely not have said in last week's interview that Diamond is "good to go" knowing that that may not be the case, especially considering how much everyone is depending on Diamond being a major factor in the team's performance this fall. She would have been much more vague in her response.

I believe Diamond is good to go, just as Holly said, and is simply working herself back up to full speed and will be fully ready to play in November. I could be wrong, of course, but I really don't think so.
 
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Certainly most important is that Diamond is ready for the season. Us fans would certainly love to see her play in Italy and put up big numbers because we want to see her be a dominating force anytime we can.
Her play is certainly going to be huge if the Lady Vols are to return to the final four. Confidence is certainly up with the recent play of Mercedes Russell hopefully our perimeter force will be 100 percent when the season starts.
 
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At the level of basketball talent Lauren Avant was playing against at Rhodes, a one legged blind midget could have been a star..... :)
 
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From what I have read DeShields played with an injury her freshman year and that was supposed to have healed during her off year since she was practicing with the team last season. If the pain she is having is from the same injury after over 15 months since her last game there has to be some concern.
 
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ivyleague said:
nwrt . . . other than to add that yes, as preposterous as you may think it to be, Tucker's abuser did reportedly beat her with a dog chain on her legs in an attempt to hurt her so badly that she couldn't play basketball again (you can read about it here:

Maryland man arrested for assault of Tennessee recruit Jannah Tucker | fullcourt.com | Inside Women's Basketball)

Her situation is wholly unlike Diamond's on every level.
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we still got your back Jannah,best wishes to you on your future
 
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