Did Trump reveal classified info to Russians?

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n_huffhines said:
"So called question"? What does that even mean?

Why is everybody so scared of a hypothetical thought exercise?

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Because it's less of a thought exercise and more of a "Do you still beat your wife?" question.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
At the moment, sure.

The bigger point is that since such is the case, there's no reason to put any stock in that particular press release.
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My point is that the general public should never know more than what's in a general press release. They call it classified intelligence for a reason.
 
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T-TownVol said:
My point is that the general public should never know more than what's in a general press release. They call it classified intelligence for a reason.
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That's something that everybody needs to work on. We've gotten way too loose with intelligence on all sides.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Of course I don't know, but the post you responded to accounted for that uncertainty. How about you answer my question?
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Not sure we would have heard a peep about it from this media.
And when it was reported, do you recall any of the outrage?

Obama admin leaked intel about secret Israeli military facilities, all to protect Iran

[FEATURE: Israel’s Secret Staging Ground | FP

Israel ‘furious’ with White House for leak on Syria strike

Or when the IG of the DOD found they Obama's admin released secret details of the Osama raid to Hollywood
http://pogoarchives.org/m/ns/pogo_document_2013_ig.pdf

Although I do remember some outrage over Obama's normalization with Cubo, I don't recall it centered on the fact he orderd intellegence to be shared with them. It certainly did not come from the same media crying about Trump today. In fact, the NYT ran a front page story on Cuba normalization without even mentioning the intel sharing bit
Presidential Policy Directive -- United States-Cuba Normalization
 
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Intelligence and the government is an oxymoron. If you add the press to that equation you have a total cluster.
 
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T-TownVol said:
My point is that the general public should never know more than what's in a general press release. They call it classified intelligence for a reason.
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Although generally true, it's not that simple.

With respect to the Trump administration, apparently the source of the leaks within the Trump administration are due to Trump's obsession with the media narratives verse the advise of his advisers. When advisers feel he is doing harm to himself, the WH, or the nation, against their advise, they leak information to the press in hopes of it changing Trump's mind.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Outside of legality, don't you guys have a problem with Trump sharing too much with Russia, if that is indeed what happened? I don't get why so many people are hung up on the legality of it.
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Didn't you know the cold war's over bro?

I have a problem with any President sharing too much info with anyone. Now the only question is, what is too much?
 
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GAVol said:
I don't think people really have a handle on what went down yet between the media narrative and the statements from people in the room.
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Exactly.

We don't know what he said so it's not worth answering that question.

It's a bait attempt by Huff just waiting for somebody to say no so he can attempt to belittle whoever.
 
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Hayezb said:
Exactly.

We don't know what he said so it's not worth answering that question.

It's a bait attempt by Huff just waiting for somebody to say no so he can attempt to belittle whoever.
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Don't mess up Huff's fun. It's what he does.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Although generally true, it's not that simple.

With respect to the Trump administration, apparently the source of the leaks within the Trump administration are due to Trump's obsession with the media narratives verse the advise of his advisers. When advisers feel he is doing harm to himself, the WH, or the nation, against their advise, they leak information to the press in hopes of it changing Trump's mind.
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Wait, so you're saying that the unnamed sources are actually Trump people inside the administration?
 
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GAVol said:
I don't think people really have a handle on what went down yet between the media narrative and the statements from people in the room.
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I am in a tough spot.

I don't believe politicians, media, "journalists", or foreigners.
 
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T-TownVol said:
My point is that the general public should never know more than what's in a general press release. They call it classified intelligence for a reason.
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Absolutely true, but remember that "knowledge is power" and remember all kids understand the power of "I know a secret." Too many people in government are simply groupies who are there for the ego trip, and they can't resist the opportunity to use their "insider knowledge" to inflate their sense of self worth.

We really need to start applying penalties that permanently deflate that self worth - like the reality of a lifetime in a prison for the worst of the worst - don't think many of those pansies would do real well there. Treat "journalists" like the driver of the getaway car and they would think twice about touching tainted information - they wouldn't do well in one of those prisons either.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Wait, so you're saying that the unnamed sources are actually Trump people inside the administration?
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Fwiw.

With lives at risk, Trump’s aides have no recourse but to leak

Why would a loyal staffer who adores the president of the United States leak damaging information to the national media that makes the president look bad? That is one of many questions that must be examined in light of the Washington Post-led story on President Trump’s Oval Office conversation with the Russians.

The story had multiple sources. I know one of those sources. He can only be characterized as an ardent Trump supporter who desperately wants the president to succeed. But as more than one member of the Trump White House realizes, sometimes the president will not take advice. Sometimes the president treats suggestions as criticism. More often than not, the president is vastly more interested in what the media says about him than what his advisers in his employ say to him.
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MakeTNGrtAgain said:
It's not Trump people. It's White House people. huge difference
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Distinction without a difference in this instance.

The counternarrative has been that its been via people who weren't Trump fans in the first place. He states twice this person doesn't fall into that category and that the reasoning was that he listens to the media narrative more than his advisers. Like I said, take it for whats its worth.
 
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