Difference between Felix vs Aidoo

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pimo1 said:
the matchup is Okpara Vs Aidoo... Miliocic owned the boards like always neither AIdoo or Okpara are great rebounders. Aidoo dominated on the defensive end. love how you tried to move the goal posts by throwing Igor in there. The only think Okpara did better than Aidoo was shoot more shots and everyone knows that's an aberration. 2 steals and 3 blocks make a lot more difference in a game than 6 points.

Like I said flip their box score numbers the other way around and UT beats Arkansas by 34 instead of 24. AIdoo is coming off injuries and slowly recovering. Would I trade Okpara for him? No but not because of talent. I think that Aidoo is a better basketball player than Okpara. But I am glad he left the team because he obviously wanted out. We killed in the portal. I don't think we missed on any of the guys we added. I just want to be realistic on what we lost.
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So, now if we swap boxscores, it's a 34 point game? Early you said a 50 point game.

It's not really moving the goalposts to introduce the idea that Aidoo produced 0 2nd chance opportunities on 33 chances. What, you think Aidoo only competes with Okpara for rebounds in a game like it's a rigid 1v1 each time the ball comes off the rim? That's not how it works. Just like Okpara isn't solely competing with Aidoo on the other end, yet managed to get 3 ORebs, himself.

But, if you want to make it solely about them, how do you claim Aidoo dominated the defensive end while allowing Okpara to clear his season ppg average by >3 points? How does Aidoo dominate the defensive end and give up 3 ORebs to Okpara? And not that I want to discount Aidoo's 3 blocks and 2 steals, but how on earth are they more valuable than 6 points in a game that his team lost by 24 points?

The point is, you made a claim that Aidoo easily outplayed Okpara as if it were clear as day, and that's just patently false. At best, you could call their matchup a draw, and that's being generous to Aidoo, who played 29 minutes and was almost unnoticeable when he was on the floor.
 
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We can compare Aidoo/Okpara till we are blue in the face. All I remember is that Aidoo disappears against good strong big men and he has weak hands. He frustrated me so much last year when he had to play against a good center. Let's give Okpara a chance before we throw him under the bus. We will learn more Tuesday night against Florida, because they are a very good offensive rebounding team. Maybe Aidoo/Igor would be better than Okpara/Igor but I like this team so far and the way they seem to enjoy playing together. I guess Aidoo didn't want that.
 
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walkenvol said:
NBADRAFTROOM.COM has Aidoo as the 25th ranked center and Felix as the 17th.
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good job scouring no-name websites made in Wordpress by a 15 year old till you found on that fit your narrative. that same site also has a 2 round mock with neither of the 2 drafted and they have Ryan Kalkbrenner as the 9th center taken at the end of the second round (aka they are smoking crack). Further they have only 3 centers going in the first round LMFAO.... For those that don't know Center is the QB of the NBA the most overdrafted position there is. There will be more than 3 centers taken in the lottery much less the entire first round. Whoever put that site up is on some special stuff.

Aidoo will be in the 2025 draft.. Okpara will not. He will be returning for his Senior season. Even NBA DRAFTROOM agrees on this as on their mock they go to 160 players Aidoo is on the list and Okpara is not.
 
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orbs son said:
I wasn't really talking about potential, just about production. So at worst it's even. Tobe just couldn't stay on the floor for us.
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except he did.. He averaged more than Phillips last year and this year. Right now as of this moment Awaka is averaging more minutes points and a lot more rebounds than Philips is. Phillips has become a really good player but he is not as good as Awaka. TBH the yare different players.. Phillips is more a small ball 4 that can play the 5 in a pinch and Awaka is a small ball 5. Phillips is gonna show up more on the offensive end Awaka on the defensive end. The only thing they have in common is they are/were forced to play out of position at UT. Phillips is playing more out of position than Awaka IMHO and that's laudable. If they both face a real post player they are both gonna have problems but Phillips will have more (defensively) because he's light in the britches.
 
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pimo1 said:
except he did.. He averaged more than Phillips last year and this year. Right now as of this moment Awaka is averaging more minutes points and a lot more rebounds than Philips is. Phillips has become a really good player but he is not as good as Awaka. TBH the yare different players.. Phillips is more a small ball 4 that can play the 5 in a pinch and Awaka is a small ball 5. Phillips is gonna show up more on the offensive end Awaka on the defensive end. The only thing they have in common is they are/were forced to play out of position at UT. Phillips is playing more out of position than Awaka IMHO and that's laudable. If they both face a real post player they are both gonna have problems but Phillips will have more (defensively) because he's light in the britches.
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Tobe 24- 13.1 min/5.1 pts./4.6 rbs/0.6 blks/.591 fg%
Phillips 25- 17.2 min/6.5 pts/4.4 rbs/1 blks/ .679 fg%
 
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At the end of the day, Aidoo and Awaka aren’t with us and I don’t care. We’re rolling just fine with Okpara, Milicic and Phillips and look better inside than we did with the other two. I don’t care whose talents may or may not transfer to the NBA. (And I have doubts about Aidoo in the NBA. Doesn’t look like he’s interested half the time. And although he’s not capable of doing it, he’s rather be playing Milicic’s position rather than center.) For the reasons cited previously, I’ll take the current guys all day, every day and I think the majority of Vol Nation agrees.
 
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pimo1 said:
good job scouring no-name websites made in Wordpress by a 15 year old till you found on that fit your narrative. that same site also has a 2 round mock with neither of the 2 drafted and they have Ryan Kalkbrenner as the 9th center taken at the end of the second round (aka they are smoking crack). Further they have only 3 centers going in the first round LMFAO.... For those that don't know Center is the QB of the NBA the most overdrafted position there is. There will be more than 3 centers taken in the lottery much less the entire first round. Whoever put that site up is on some special stuff.

Aidoo will be in the 2025 draft.. Okpara will not. He will be returning for his Senior season. Even NBA DRAFTROOM agrees on this as on their mock they go to 160 players Aidoo is on the list and Okpara is not.
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Was the first sight that came up on my google search. I see you chose to berate me instead of posting all the mock drafts showing Aidoo’s perceived value which tells me you’re not interested in a discussion so good day to you sir.
 
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walkenvol said:
Was the first sight that came up on my google search. I see you chose to berate me instead of posting all the mock drafts showing Aidoo’s perceived value which tells me you’re not interested in a discussion so good day to you sir.
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If you disagree with him, "you're on crack". Haven't you heard?
 
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pimo1 said:
good job scouring no-name websites made in Wordpress by a 15 year old till you found on that fit your narrative. that same site also has a 2 round mock with neither of the 2 drafted and they have Ryan Kalkbrenner as the 9th center taken at the end of the second round (aka they are smoking crack). Further they have only 3 centers going in the first round LMFAO.... For those that don't know Center is the QB of the NBA the most overdrafted position there is. There will be more than 3 centers taken in the lottery much less the entire first round. Whoever put that site up is on some special stuff.

Aidoo will be in the 2025 draft.. Okpara will not. He will be returning for his Senior season. Even NBA DRAFTROOM agrees on this as on their mock they go to 160 players Aidoo is on the list and Okpara is not.
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Aidoo is not an NBA prospect. He doesn't do a single thing the NBA values from a big man. Okpara isn't either but you're pumping Aidoo well beyond his ability. He doesn't defend, shoot, or rebound at a high level. He can't consistently finish in the paint. He isn't a ball handler or talented passer. He's not even that big. We've seen end of bench NBA bigs absolutely murder him for four years now.
 
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cncchris33 said:
No worries. I was just giving my opinion on the differences in the two. My preference is for Okpara for reasons already mentioned, but also, and perhaps most importantly, because he wants to be here.
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He is better for what we do and gives us a higher ceiling. More aggressive and athletic so better overall at rebounding, running the floor, cutting to the basket off picks and defensive foot speed when he does get mismatched on a smaller ball handler. He will give you 5-10 points most games but on 75% shooting. I think he is better overall at blocking shots than Aidoo but stats are similar.

Aidoo is a good player but we need a mean dog in all above areas instead of a sleepy eyed, seemingly low effort at times and overall less athletic of a big who prefers shooting 40% mid-range jumpers or hooks off the backboard for more overall but less efficient points on most nights.

I think Cade Phillips is better all around than both guys and would be an even more unfavorable comparison vs. Aidoo, if posted.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Aidoo is not an NBA prospect. He doesn't do a single thing the NBA values from a big man. Okpara isn't either but you're pumping Aidoo well beyond his ability. He doesn't defend, shoot, or rebound at a high level. He can't consistently finish in the paint. He isn't a ball handler or talented passer. He's not even that big. We've seen end of bench NBA bigs absolutely murder him for four years now.
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Yeah, both guys are gonna get a look in an NBA camp at some point, most likely, but those aren't guys that stick in the league. Neither guy is elite at anything. Both a pretty good at certain areas, none of which really overlap except shot blocking, which at 6-11, they ought to be able to do. So, with that in mind, give me the more aggressive, higher motor player.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Aidoo is not an NBA prospect. He doesn't do a single thing the NBA values from a big man. Okpara isn't either but you're pumping Aidoo well beyond his ability. He doesn't defend, shoot, or rebound at a high level. He can't consistently finish in the paint. He isn't a ball handler or talented passer. He's not even that big. We've seen end of bench NBA bigs absolutely murder him for four years now.
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I disagree. Of course. The reason I do is simple. At the NBA level AIdoo is not a center he is a classic 4. He has the frame and athleticism to be something. My second reason is his free throw shooting. He is a career 67% free throw shooter which is pretty good for a post player. Free throw shooting projects to outside shooting. he has good feet. He has just never been in a role where he had to be a scorer in college. he has proven when he is called on he can score. he will probably never be a great scorer but he can score and shoot and be a lob threat/rim runner type.

Okpara I think at this point is not that he is a better rebounder and I agree a better fit for UT. He is more a classic post player but a worse shooter and passer. He is also a year behind so that could change with another year in college. But as far as physical/athletic breakdowns Aidoo is more versatile. Blocking they are about equal... fouling.. super funny story.. Okpara actually averages a lot more than Aidoo. 2.3 vs 1.7 career. Honestly its not like one is a scrub and the other is an all-star its really a tomato tomato thing at the college level at this point. But As far as NBA watch me Aidoo will be a solid second rounder this year...because posts get overdrafted. Both are likely to make deep runs in the tourney. But as far as 2025 Aidoo is the better NBA prospect right now.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Yeah, both guys are gonna get a look in an NBA camp at some point, most likely, but those aren't guys that stick in the league. Neither guy is elite at anything. Both a pretty good at certain areas, none of which really overlap except shot blocking, which at 6-11, they ought to be able to do. So, with that in mind, give me the more aggressive, higher motor player.
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Agreed. I actually think Okpara has a better chance to stay in the NBA longer because his levels of aggression and athleticism are enough to earn him backup minutes for rebounding, blocking/changing shots, overall defense and the foot speed to move with elite athletes and run the floor to go along with the mindset to maximize what he does well. He also doesn't seem made of glass or get bullied.

The traits listed above are more valuable than anything Aidoo can do at the next level unless he becomes a 35% or better volume 3 point shooter (3-4 makes per game) to justify him as a stretch 4 with some 5 abilities. That ain't happening and his body isn't built to hold up in the NBA.
 
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pimo1 said:
I disagree. Of course. The reason I do is simple. At the NBA level AIdoo is not a center he is a classic 4. He has the frame and athleticism to be something. My second reason is his free throw shooting. He is a career 67% free throw shooter which is pretty good for a post player. Free throw shooting projects to outside shooting. he has good feet. He has just never been in a role where he had to be a scorer in college. he has proven when he is called on he can score. he will probably never be a great scorer but he can score and shoot and be a lob threat/rim runner type.

Okpara I think at this point is not that he is a better rebounder and I agree a better fit for UT. He is more a classic post player but a worse shooter and passer. He is also a year behind so that could change with another year in college. But as far as physical/athletic breakdowns Aidoo is more versatile. Blocking they are about equal... fouling.. super funny story.. Okpara actually averages a lot more than Aidoo. 2.3 vs 1.7 career. Honestly its not like one is a scrub and the other is an all-star its really a tomato tomato thing at the college level at this point. But As far as NBA watch me Aidoo will be a solid second rounder this year...because posts get overdrafted. Both are likely to make deep runs in the tourney. But as far as 2025 Aidoo is the better NBA prospect right now.
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I agree that the NBA will probably feel the same regarding potential and the draft will probably play out that way. I still feel like Felix has the better chance of sticking longer in the league, despite being less skilled at a couple of valued NBA qualities. Passing and shooting away from the basket being the two.

Okpara is significantly better at all other aspects of the game for what's expected of a big man role player or depth piece which is why I think he stays longer and Jonas becomes an overseas franchise player type.
 
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