Difference between Felix vs Aidoo

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pimo1 said:
AIdoo is an NBA prospect right now.. Okpara is not.
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Interesting. This and Krafts decision yesterday further convince me NFL and NBA owners/GMs are not as sharp as their title would lead someone to believe, when it comes to personal and player potential. Jmo of course
 
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pimo1 said:
the matchup is Okpara Vs Aidoo... Miliocic owned the boards like always neither AIdoo or Okpara are great rebounders. Aidoo dominated on the defensive end. love how you tried to move the goal posts by throwing Igor in there. The only think Okpara did better than Aidoo was shoot more shots and everyone knows that's an aberration. 2 steals and 3 blocks make a lot more difference in a game than 6 points.

Like I said flip their box score numbers the other way around and UT beats Arkansas by 34 instead of 24. AIdoo is coming off injuries and slowly recovering. Would I trade Okpara for him? No but not because of talent. I think that Aidoo is a better basketball player than Okpara. But I am glad he left the team because he obviously wanted out. We killed in the portal. I don't think we missed on any of the guys we added. I just want to be realistic on what we lost.
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Our 19 offensive rebounds and all those lob dunks say otherwise...lmao
 
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orangemadam said:
I'm sure after Felix helps Vols to FF, his draft status will improve, especially
as he becomes more accustomed to SEC physical play.
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I haven’t seen anything yet from Felix to make me think the NBA would be interested. Hopefully CRB changes that before the end of next year
 
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walkenvol said:
I haven’t seen anything yet from Felix to make me think the NBA would be interested. Hopefully CRB changes that before the end of next year
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Like I said before, both he and Aidoo will get a tryout of some kind, either as late 2nd rd picks or FAs to see if they can develop in the right situation, but neither guy screams NBA player, to me, right now. Okpara still has time and athleticism on his side. Aidoo has potential, but doesn't handle the ball well and isn't elite enough of a shooter to be an NBA PF in today's game. That is a skill he can improve, but time is not on his side in that regard. My guess is that he knows that, which helps explain why he jumped at the money Arkansas allegedly offered him. It might be the biggest seasonal paycheck he ever cashes for basketball.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Like I said before, both he and Aidoo will get a tryout of some kind, either as late 2nd rd picks or FAs to see if they can develop in the right situation, but neither guy screams NBA player, to me, right now. Okpara still has time and athleticism on his side. Aidoo has potential, but doesn't handle the ball well and isn't elite enough of a shooter to be an NBA PF in today's game. That is a skill he can improve, but time is not on his side in that regard. My guess is that he knows that, which helps explain why he jumped at the money Arkansas allegedly offered him. It might be the biggest seasonal paycheck he ever cashes for basketball.
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I agree with this but would add that AIdoo seems a bit more athletic IMO and is a better shooter. Neither is a monster rebounder by any stretch, but Aidoo is the better shooter and has shown he can be an offensive threat. A lot of it is that they are separated by a year so comparing them both as Juniors they are about equal but at the current moment AIdoo is a year ahead. Can we at least agree there? People get so stuck in the sour grapes they lose their minds. Yes UT as a team got 24 offensive boards. Thats a reflection of UT vs Arkansas not Aidoo vs Okpura.
 
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pimo1 said:
I agree with this but would add that AIdoo seems a bit more athletic IMO and is a better shooter. Neither is a monster rebounder by any stretch, but Aidoo is the better shooter and has shown he can be an offensive threat. A lot of it is that they are separated by a year so comparing them both as Juniors they are about equal but at the current moment AIdoo is a year ahead. Can we at least agree there? People get so stuck in the sour grapes they lose their minds. Yes UT as a team got 24 offensive boards. Thats a reflection of UT vs Arkansas not Aidoo vs Okpura.
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First off, no sour grapes, here. I don't operate in the realm of emotion discussing these things.

Two, if Aidoo is more athletic than Okpara, he does a great job of hiding it. He seems fairly slow-footed and not light on his feet. Plays below the rim and is too finesse far too often on offense, as well. He's more skilled, offensively, but that is negated against bigs with size and/or athleticism. Edey (twice), H. Dickinson, D.J. Burns, Tolu Smith (twice), R. Kalkbrenner...Aidoo shrunk in each of those matchups, last year. He averaged 5 ppg and shot 37.5% in those seven matchups, last year. I'd imagine Okpara is one of the best bigs he's faced this year in a game where he played extended minutes, and he was nonexistent on offense. 4 pts, 0 rebs (offensive), 0 assts, and a TO.

Three, I just don't understand why you think Aidoo v Okpara is the sole judgement for his lack of production on the offensive boards. True, the overall numbers are a reflection of Arkansas v Tennessee, but Aidoo had 33 opportunities to collect 1 OR. They weren't all opportunities exclusively against Okpara. Yet, he didn't collect a single one. But if we want to call it a rigid 1 v 1 responsibility, then I guess Okpara outplayed Aidoo there and did a great job of limiting Aidoo to 0 ORs. At 5'-9 (maybe), Zakai Zeigler managed 2 ORs. Jordan Gainey grabbed 3 ORs. At 6'-11, Aidoo grabbed zero. If you just want to disagree about his effort and responsibility in that aspect, then fine, but I'm not coming off that opinion.
 
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There may be some "could've been" with Aidoo. But we pretty much see it never has developed. I couldn't see Aidoo going coast to coast at speed with the ball. He doesn't finish around the rim well at all. He's a 27 percent college 3pt shooter. That won't get better moving out to the NBA line. A ton of NBA pfs are 6'7-6'9 and fleet of foot. Tobias is playing PF. I can't imagine a world where Aidoo is trying to stay in front of him on the wing, let alone Giannas who moves like he's 6'6 but is 6'11 250. The highest I've seen Aidoo ranked in a top 100 was 89. He has virtually zero shot at getting drafted based on anything we've seen from him in now his 4 years of college.
 
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pimo1 said:
I agree with this but would add that AIdoo seems a bit more athletic IMO and is a better shooter. Neither is a monster rebounder by any stretch, but Aidoo is the better shooter and has shown he can be an offensive threat. A lot of it is that they are separated by a year so comparing them both as Juniors they are about equal but at the current moment AIdoo is a year ahead. Can we at least agree there? People get so stuck in the sour grapes they lose their minds. Yes UT as a team got 24 offensive boards. Thats a reflection of UT vs Arkansas not Aidoo vs Okpura.
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cncchris33 said:
First off, no sour grapes, here. I don't operate in the realm of emotion discussing these things.

Two, if Aidoo is more athletic than Okpara, he does a great job of hiding it. He seems fairly slow-footed and not light on his feet. Plays below the rim and is too finesse far too often on offense, as well. He's more skilled, offensively, but that is negated against bigs with size and/or athleticism. Edey (twice), H. Dickinson, D.J. Burns, Tolu Smith (twice), R. Kalkbrenner...Aidoo shrunk in each of those matchups, last year. He averaged 5 ppg and shot 37.5% in those seven matchups, last year. I'd imagine Okpara is one of the best bigs he's faced this year in a game where he played extended minutes, and he was nonexistent on offense. 4 pts, 0 rebs (offensive), 0 assts, and a TO.

Three, I just don't understand why you think Aidoo v Okpara is the sole judgement for his lack of production on the offensive boards. True, the overall numbers are a reflection of Arkansas v Tennessee, but Aidoo had 33 opportunities to collect 1 OR. They weren't all opportunities exclusively against Okpara. Yet, he didn't collect a single one. But if we want to call it a rigid 1 v 1 responsibility, then I guess Okpara outplayed Aidoo there and did a great job of limiting Aidoo to 0 ORs. At 5'-9 (maybe), Zakai Zeigler managed 2 ORs. Jordan Gainey grabbed 3 ORs. At 6'-11, Aidoo grabbed zero. If you just want to disagree about his effort and responsibility in that aspect, then fine, but I'm not coming off that opinion.
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I appreciate you responding with something of substance (you normally do but most don't). My point is Arkansas got owned on the boards by UT mostly (Igor) but a good amount of that was facilitated by Okpara boxing out is something he does very well and it creates a lot of opportunities for his teammates. It was more an Arkansas team problem than a strictly Aidoo problem. Neither of the 2 are monster rebounders. I think we can both agree that's a weakness in both their games. They both more take up space and create opportunities for teammates by boxing their man out. Also the fact teams like to yeet 3s versus UT means lots of long rebounds. This one game wasn't particularly a good representation of either of them on the boards. They had 5 and 4 respectively (jonas, felix). But for this season Aidoo has looked fairly good as he's gotten healthier. An argument could be made it seems Okpara has been playing through some lingering injury. But acting like Aidoo didn't have 3 blocks and 2 steals is a bit silly. That line on its own is more impressive than anything else the either of the 2 did.

The fact Aidoo went from averaging over 2 fouls a game last season to 0.6 this one is something to note. Okpara has also improved from 2.9 last year to 2.0 this season. This is not a comparison thing saying Aidoo is better because of the fouls that point is to show his foul problems were a result of the role he played at UT. The same role Felix is playing. the truth is whatever rebounding battles we have won this year go to Igor he has been the guy putting up double doubles he's had 8 or more rebounds 10/14 games.

As I said I would not trade Felix for Jonas he fits this team better. But I think Jonas is a slightly better player overall because he can be an offensive threat. Everything else they are very similar, enough so for it to be a wash. The one thing Okpara has not shown is the ability to be a scorer. There were multiple games last season when Aidoo's scoring was the difference when one of the guards had an off night. There were multiple games he straight-up took over. Cant act like he didn't show that, and his big scoring games came mostly in SEC play so no stat padding against OOC scrubs.

I think Okpara is a sidegrade on Aidoo based on what we have seen so far. Don't get it twisted I really wish we had Awaka on roster right now. He imho is the biggest portal loss. I am very happy even ecstatic about Lanier. I am conflicted about how I feel about Igor... not because he hasn't be any less than awesome but he is basically JJJ's replacement and I cant hate on JJJ or SV they are top10 VFLs to me. So I just don't think about it and enjoy what he's doing. Tonight will be the night we see if Dubar can step up. The one thing I feared this season (another post doing down) happened and I have to hope its not long term.
 
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pimo1 said:
I agree with this but would add that AIdoo seems a bit more athletic IMO and is a better shooter. Neither is a monster rebounder by any stretch, but Aidoo is the better shooter and has shown he can be an offensive threat. A lot of it is that they are separated by a year so comparing them both as Juniors they are about equal but at the current moment AIdoo is a year ahead. Can we at least agree there? People get so stuck in the sour grapes they lose their minds. Yes UT as a team got 24 offensive boards. Thats a reflection of UT vs Arkansas not Aidoo vs Okpura.
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You think that Aidoo was/is athletic? He wasn't catching alley-oops (or the basketball in general) unless they were perfectly placed close to the rim. He's 6'11", but he's stiff when it comes to agility.

Okpara is much more athletic than him and moves a lot better than Aidoo. He's also a lot more aggressive when going for lobs.
 
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pimo1 said:
I appreciate you responding with something of substance (you normally do but most don't). My point is Arkansas got owned on the boards by UT mostly (Igor) but a good amount of that was facilitated by Okpara boxing out is something he does very well and it creates a lot of opportunities for his teammates. It was more an Arkansas team problem than a strictly Aidoo problem. Neither of the 2 are monster rebounders. I think we can both agree that's a weakness in both their games. They both more take up space and create opportunities for teammates by boxing their man out. Also the fact teams like to yeet 3s versus UT means lots of long rebounds. This one game wasn't particularly a good representation of either of them on the boards. They had 5 and 4 respectively (jonas, felix). But for this season Aidoo has looked fairly good as he's gotten healthier. An argument could be made it seems Okpara has been playing through some lingering injury. But acting like Aidoo didn't have 3 blocks and 2 steals is a bit silly. That line on its own is more impressive than anything else the either of the 2 did.

The fact Aidoo went from averaging over 2 fouls a game last season to 0.6 this one is something to note. Okpara has also improved from 2.9 last year to 2.0 this season. This is not a comparison thing saying Aidoo is better because of the fouls that point is to show his foul problems were a result of the role he played at UT. The same role Felix is playing. the truth is whatever rebounding battles we have won this year go to Igor he has been the guy putting up double doubles he's had 8 or more rebounds 10/14 games.

As I said I would not trade Felix for Jonas he fits this team better. But I think Jonas is a slightly better player overall because he can be an offensive threat. Everything else they are very similar, enough so for it to be a wash. The one thing Okpara has not shown is the ability to be a scorer. There were multiple games last season when Aidoo's scoring was the difference when one of the guards had an off night. There were multiple games he straight-up took over. Cant act like he didn't show that, and his big scoring games came mostly in SEC play so no stat padding against OOC scrubs.

I think Okpara is a sidegrade on Aidoo based on what we have seen so far. Don't get it twisted I really wish we had Awaka on roster right now. He imho is the biggest portal loss. I am very happy even ecstatic about Lanier. I am conflicted about how I feel about Igor... not because he hasn't be any less than awesome but he is basically JJJ's replacement and I cant hate on JJJ or SV they are top10 VFLs to me. So I just don't think about it and enjoy what he's doing. Tonight will be the night we see if Dubar can step up. The one thing I feared this season (another post doing down) happened and I have to hope its not long term.
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Curious why you insist Milicic is JJJ’s replacement. I don’t think Barnes constructs his roster in a way where he recruits one player specific to replace another.
I suspect it is because you are an awake fan (as was I) and you know if you compare Milicic to Awaka, Milicic is obviously superior.
The fact is Milicic is a 4/5 like Awaka and not a 3 small ball 4 like JJJ.
 
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LeannaVol said:
Curious why you insist Milicic is JJJ’s replacement. I don’t think Barnes constructs his roster in a way where he recruits one player specific to replace another.
I suspect it is because you are an awake fan (as was I) and you know if you compare Milicic to Awaka, Milicic is obviously superior.
The fact is Milicic is a 4/5 like Awaka and not a 3 small ball 4 like JJJ.
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✅ Now ya done it… 🤣
 
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iVolSoHard said:
You think that Aidoo was/is athletic? He wasn't catching alley-oops (or the basketball in general) unless they were perfectly placed close to the rim. He's 6'11", but he's stiff when it comes to agility.

Okpara is much more athletic than him and moves a lot better than Aidoo. He's also a lot more aggressive when going for lobs.
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comparatively yes. maybe I need glasses...but fyi being able to catch a lob at 6'11 is not a measure of athleticism.. I guess last season was all my imagination. he sure was catching passes dropping 18+ multiple games in SEC play.
 
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pimo1 said:
comparatively yes. maybe I need glasses...but fyi being able to catch a lob at 6'11 is not a measure of athleticism.. I guess last season was all my imagination. he sure was catching passes dropping 18+ multiple games in SEC play.
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I know I shouldn’t, but what do you think is a good measurement of athleticism for a 6’-11” basketball player? Foot race from baseline to baseline? Vertical leap? Power cleans? I think Felix would outperform Aidoo in those 3 contests of athletic ability.
 
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pimo1 said:
I agree with this but would add that AIdoo seems a bit more athletic IMO and is a better shooter. Neither is a monster rebounder by any stretch, but Aidoo is the better shooter and has shown he can be an offensive threat. A lot of it is that they are separated by a year so comparing them both as Juniors they are about equal but at the current moment AIdoo is a year ahead. Can we at least agree there? People get so stuck in the sour grapes they lose their minds. Yes UT as a team got 24 offensive boards. Thats a reflection of UT vs Arkansas not Aidoo vs Okpura.
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Curious sometime for you to throw out a couple of reasons for this opinion, without using numbers. At least 1 Just using your eye test

Keeping in mind the big games you’ve watched w Aidoo vs the 2 w Felix so far.
 
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