"Difference is Unreal" Says Current Player

[Orange_Crush]

]It is not possible to defend CDD and support CBJ at the same time when the thread argument is most often positioned 'we finally have a coach who gets it and thank god we got rid of the horrible coach we had before'.[/B] I don't choose to open up or position threads this way (I have actually never even started any thread on these forums - I'm always reacting to this because I find it very annoying). And if you find me thrashing CBJ on any thread that is not actually positioned for thrashing Dooley feel free to call me on it.

The bolded is either the result of your inability to formulate further alternatives, or you are being purposefully untruthful to cover the hypocrisy that I pointed out.

I am hopeful that CBJ will translate his current vigor and hard work into wins on the field. The fact that he's won at his previous two stops gives me further hope. Personally, I disagree with the vast majority's analysis of CDD and find it reprehensible that so many of you would attack a man who gave his all for UT. CDD came into a horrible situation, and I feel that he didn't have enough time to complete his turnaround. But I think we can all agree that he left the seeds that CBJ will use to complete the turnaround.

Now, I don't agree with the above, fictional quote in its entirety, but it just proves that it IS, indeed possible to defend CDD while supporting CBJ.

Your attacks on our current coach are the height of hypocrisy, and you sir are a bad person.

(Well, maybe you're not a bad person, but you are a horrible poster and your failures to act on other alternatives per your support of CBJ have made you look like a hypocritical idiot.)

 

[TGVol]

The bolded is either the result of your inability to formulate further alternatives, or you are being purposefully untruthful to cover the hypocrisy that I pointed out.



Now, I don't agree with the above, fictional quote in its entirety, but it just proves that it IS, indeed possible to defend CDD while supporting CBJ.

Your attacks on our current coach are the height of hypocrisy, and you sir are a bad person.

(Well, maybe you're not a bad person, but you are a horrible poster and your failures to act on other alternatives per your support of CBJ have made you look like a hypocritical idiot.)

So you are the judge and jury on these forums to decide which alternatives make sense and how they should be formulated? And you get to decide who are idiots and bad people?
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[VOLnMiami]

It is not possible to defend CDD and support CBJ at the same time when the thread argument is most often positioned 'we finally have a coach who gets it and thank god we got rid of the horrible coach we had before'. I don't choose to open up or position threads this way (I have actually never even started any thread on these forums - I'm always reacting to this because I find it very annoying). And if you find me thrashing CBJ on any thread that is not actually positioned for thrashing Dooley feel free to call me on it.

CDD - 6 seasons - 5 losing seasons....CBJ - 6 seasons- 5 winning seasons and 4 championships...Keep on worshipping CDD...It has gotten hilarious at this point.

 

[TGVol]

CDD - 6 seasons - 5 losing seasons....CBJ - 6 seasons- 5 winning seasons and 4 championships...Keep on worshipping CDD...It has gotten hilarious at this point.

CBJ - 0 winning seasons in SEC and a blowout loss to CDD. Also, first UT coach to finish behind Vandy in recruiting. I'm not worshiping anyone, but you should feel free to continue worshiping CBJ (or whoever else you want).

 

[utvolpj]

CBJ - 0 winning seasons in SEC and a blowout loss to CDD. Also, first UT coach to finish behind Vandy in recruiting. I'm not worshiping anyone, but you should feel free to continue worshiping CBJ (or whoever else you want).

while it may be factually correct, your post is a complete mess of wrong and devoid of any truth

 

[Orange_Crush]

So you are the judge and jury on these forums to decide which alternatives make sense and how they should be formulated?

lol. You're not very good at this are you?

You said it's impossible to support CBJ and defend CDD in a thread that is attacking CDD. I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that that statement was untrue. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

As a matter of fact, for any person with a shred intelligence and reading comprehension, I should not have had to even give you the theoretical post that proved that it is possible.

I was responding to your assertion that:

It is not possible to defend CDD and support CBJ at the same time when the thread argument is most often positioned 'we finally have a coach who gets it and thank god we got rid of the horrible coach we had before'.

The logical 'AND' means that you are responding to two different statements, which would (at the least) allow for two different responses. i.e. A response to the opinion about CBJ (which could in fact be one of support), AND a response to the statement about CDD (which could in fact be one of support).

That is a logical argument, not an opinion. The fact that you can't comprehend this is indicative of your critical thinking abilities.

Again, I am going to repeat myself yet again so that you understand: It's not an opinion. It's a logical fact.

Now, as a reminder, I listed in detail why your arguments against CBJ are hypocritical when compared to your defense of CDD. Your only response so far has been to claim that it's impossible to support both of them. I pointed out that your shallow defense was a false construct, so you're left to defend your apparent hypocrisy.

And you get to decide who are idiots and bad people?
:think_not:

Since you have already responded in a way that indicates a lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking, I hesitate to mention this, since I don't want to pile on and beat the dead horse, but...

Please note that I made it obvious that I was joking about the bad person comment. Further, I stated that you look like an idiot, due to the reasons that I posted in that post, and expanded on in this one.

I don't think it'll make it easier for you to get this if I type slower, so all I can do is ask you to read slower, think more deeply, hesitate before responding so that you can think again, and make sure you understand the points given before finally clicking the 'post' button.

 

[ptclaus98]

How about the fact that both Dooley and Butch Jones are not the type of coach to succeed in the SEC?

 

[butchna]

Why would you say that? The only difference between me and you (and quite a few others like you) is that I think it's possible to support the program and coach withouth blindly worshiping them (that is what the church is for). All the boasting 'this coach finally gets' it or 'we finally have a coach' etc - that is all just dumb. In my opinion we have a new coach who may end up doing a good job here (or not). Nothing more or less is required (and I will still be very excited come game time and support the team no matter what). By the way, I did not worship Dooley either (but he made fewer bombastic statements and salesman like promises when he joined so I found him more believable and less annoying because salesy over the top stuff turns me off).

No blind loyalty here...just hopeful optimism..my modus operandi..Do the wait and see with a smile on your face...you might like it..I think you're ok...so keep posting...probably going to disagree with until a coach fixes this mess...in the meantime Jay Graham bailed...that's your Bat Signal
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[TGVol]

No blind loyalty here...just hopeful optimism..my modus operandi..Do the wait and see with a smile on your face...you might like it..I think you're ok...so keep posting...probably going to disagree with until a coach fixes this mess...in the meantime Jay Graham bailed...that's your Bat Signal
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I probably come accross more negative than I am about Butch - because off all the CDD vs CBJ comparisons. If people could be hopefull/excited about CBJ without thrashing our previous coaches it would be much easier for me to turn off the negativity. As a matter of fact, I even think Kiffin did the best job he could when he was here (he did it his way, and was even more bombastic and salesy than CBJ - probably CBJ is somewhere between Kiffin and Dooley in terms of style). So let's forget about CDD, Kiffin, Fulmer, etc and talk about Butch and the future.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I probably come accross more negative than I am about Butch - because off all the CDD vs CBJ comparisons.

Do peoples' post on a message board change CBJ's fitness for position? It's a non-sequiteur.

If people could be hopefull/excited about CBJ without thrashing our previous coaches it would be much easier for me to turn off the negativity.

Unless CBJ has planted these people here, it has zero to do with him. So, if I am to get this straight, you are trashing UT's current coach because of the opinions of people (whom you don't know) on a free internet message board.

That's logical. I can get down with that.

As a matter of fact, I even think Kiffin did the best job he could when he was here (he did it his way, and was even more bombastic and salesy than CBJ - probably CBJ is somewhere between Kiffin and Dooley in terms of style). So let's forget about CDD, Kiffin, Fulmer, etc and talk about Butch and the future.

I was having fun seeing you defend CDD because of his dedication to the program despite his epic failure on the field, while seeing you thrash our current coach, who is dedicated to the program, yet hasn't failed to produce results on the field.

All because people you don't know like him better than CDD.

That's what's fun.

 

[TGVol]

Do peoples' post on a message board change CBJ's fitness for position? It's a non-sequiteur.



Unless CBJ has planted these people here, it has zero to do with him. So, if I am to get this straight, you are trashing UT's current coach because of the opinions of people (whom you don't know) on a free internet message board.

That's logical. I can get down with that.



I was having fun seeing you defend CDD because of his dedication to the program despite his epic failure on the field, while seeing you thrash our current coach, who is dedicated to the program, yet hasn't failed to produce results on the field.

All because people you don't know like him better than CDD.

That's what's fun.

I have no idea what you have posted in you last few messages (including this one) but I have a rule to stop reading posts in threads from people who resort to name calling (you called me idiot, bad person), etc. So if you expect to get any more replies from me you are waisting your time.

 

[johndoevol]

Orange crush has logic on his side.:hi:

 

[Orange_Crush]

I have no idea what you have posted in you last few messages (including this one) but I have a rule to stop reading posts in threads from people who resort to name calling (you called me idiot, bad person), etc. So if you expect to get any more replies from me you are waisting your time.

If you had read my reply, you would have seen that I didn't say you are a bad person or an idiot.

I'm not expecting replies from you. To be honest, I'm not sure that if you objectively stepped back and looked at your conduct here, you could make much of a reply. I am merely taking opportunity to show the rest of VN that you are hypocritical and irrational in your attacks on our coach.

It's the same thing I do with Oskie.

With that said, and for the benefit of the rest of the board, I'll reprise your arguments supporting CDD and thrashing CBJ.

You support CDD because:

1. He gave his all for UT.
2. He didn't have enough time to affect the rebuild.

You thrash CBJ:

1. While he's giving his all for UT.
2. Three months into his tenure.
3. (Edit) As an admitted emotional response to the CDD haters. Thanks for that admission.

Any objective observer would see the hypocrisy.



"CDD didn't have enough time after three years and multiple losing seasons, so get off of his case."


But:


"I'll attack CBJ after three months on the job, and before he's coached his first game."




When spelled out like that, I'm not sure any reply would do you much good.


:hi: