"Difference is Unreal" Says Current Player

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TGVol said:
:lolaeebove: Very modest recruiting? CP, Hunter, and D Rogers (among others) disagree (and I'm sure a lot of NFL poeple evaluating them right now at combines as well).
In all 3 years CDD finished above CBJ in recruiting and never behind Vandy (and he had less time than CBJ in his first year but finished in top 10). Also I guess building one of the best offenses in the country means nothing to you as well.
But you are right that if CBJ does anything meaningful in his first year or two a good amount of credit for that should go to Dooley as well.
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Ok you just verified that we had plenty of talent. CBJ had less talent. What did Dooley do with all that talent. What did CBJ do with the lack of talent at Cinc. You should probably find something better to argue about!
 
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TGVol said:
:lolabove: Very modest recruiting? CP, Hunter, and D Rogers (among others) disagree (and I'm sure a lot of NFL poeple evaluating them right now at combines as well).
In all 3 years CDD finished above CBJ in recruiting and never behind Vandy (and he had less time than CBJ in his first year but finished in top 10). Also I guess building one of the best offenses in the country means nothing to you as well.
But you are right that if CBJ does anything meaningful in his first year or two a good amount of credit for that should go to Dooley as well.
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So if Butch does significant winning it's because of what Dooley established...if this team loses at the rate of the last three seasons...Butch is a hack and Dooley should have been retained...boy that's painting the corners better than Greg Maddux ever did if you'll excuse the baseball analogy
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Fulmer was a bad coach because he couldn't keep up with the times. He let the whole sec pass us by. He was a good coach in his prime tho (90s).
 
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TGVol said:
:lolabove: Very modest recruiting? CP, Hunter, and D Rogers (among others) disagree (and I'm sure a lot of NFL poeple evaluating them right now at combines as well).
In all 3 years CDD finished above CBJ in recruiting and never behind Vandy (and he had less time than CBJ in his first year but finished in top 10). Also I guess building one of the best offenses in the country means nothing to you as well.
But you are right that if CBJ does anything meaningful in his first year or two a good amount of credit for that should go to Dooley as well.
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A handful of prospects at the 2013 NFL combine changes absolutely nothing.

Dooley left a roster that many are hoping Jones can simply take to a bowl game. That should tell you all you need to know.
 
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Dooley had several problems. He started on very short notice with a very incomplete team. He had to tolerate a-holery from several players and just never put all of the pieces together; then he hired Sal and broke his hip. Unlike Fulmer and Kiffin, he left us a hell of a lot better off than he found us.
 
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BIG ADAM said:
Fulmer was a bad coach because he couldn't keep up with the times. He let the whole sec pass us by. He was a good coach in his prime tho (90s).
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I don't think I would ever call Fulmer a bad coach. It may have been time for a change but I would never call him a bad coach. That is just my opinion however. After witnessing the past 4 years I am forever grateful for the Fulmer years.
 
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TGVol said:
Fulmer had more than 3 bad years bad but also won the NC and is in hall of fame. Is he a terrible coach because he had those bad years? Majors had bad years as well as well as did many other great coaches at other schools (Bowden, Patterno, Spurrier, etc). Three years is not even close to enough time to judge whether someone is bad (or good). What you need to look at is whether what coach tried to do to improve the programs made sense or not. It's logical to look at recruiting first when you are rebuilding and Dooley did a great job there. Unfortunately that did not translate to wins in his year 3 (mostly due to Sunseri but that's all water under the bridge now).
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For real?
 
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VolinWayne said:
Oskie, all I can say is I guess my POV is different then your POV. If you are going to defend his coaching in that game I seriously do not have the time or desire to argue with you. It is pointless.
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Agree completely. To argue it was a good decision to go to overtime with that defense is absurd. Our redzone defense allowed scores 91% of the time. Our brilliant head coach thought it would be a good idea to play the rest of the game with our opponents having a 91% chance of scoring and almost 80% chance of scoring a touchdown on every possession.
 
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VolinWayne said:
What did Dooley do with all that talent. What did CBJ do with the lack of talent at Cinc.
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Dooley beat CBJ with all that talent.
CBJ lost to Dooley with lack of talent.
What's the problem with that going forward? CBJ just finished his first recruiting season at UT as if he never left Cincinnati (behind Vanderbilt).
 
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TGVol said:
Dooley beat CBJ with all that talent.
CBJ lost to Dooley with lack of talent.
What's the problem with that going forward? CBJ just finished his first recruiting season at UT as if he never left Cincinnati (behind Vanderbilt).
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Why don't you compare the classes both took over.
 
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chavisut said:
Why don't you compare the classes both took over.
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Why should I do that? CBJ told us that Tennessee sells itself, that he has a system that can't fail, and that he has hired the best staff in America. Given this why should we not be upset that with all those great assets he only finished 10th in SEC and behind Vandy? It seems to me that so far he is great in selling to our fans and some in the media, but has fallen short selling to the actual recruits (what really matters).
 
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TGVol said:
Why should I do that? CBJ told us that Tennessee sells itself, that he has a system that can't fail, and that he has hired the best staff in America. Given this why should we not be upset that with all those great assets he only finished 10th in SEC and behind Vandy? It seems to me that so far he is great in selling to our fans and some in the media, but has fallen short selling to the actual recruits (what really matters).
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It would probably be easier to sell if we weren't coming off a 5-7 season thanks to Dooley.
 
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Catbone said:
That's not negative. I'm just saying I want that to translate to the field that's all.
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We all do Bone. Based on everything Butch is doing, the raves from former and current players as well as recruits...I'm more of an optimist saying "let's do this" rather than a pessimist, "show me, I've heard it before". Dooley was our Shula...Butch is our Saban. I believe this to the core. The guy has a proven system and works his arse off!
 
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TGVol said:
Why should I do that?
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Because your argument per recruiting falls apart when objective comparison is applied. And you know it.

Also, add into the comparison the fact that the horrid (40ish-ranked) class that CBJ took over and improved, was CDD's class-- the guy you're comparing CBJ to.

This is actual comical.
 
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Wood Man said:
It really does get on my nerves that one of our coaches who, I assume, has a college degree, does not know the difference between "your", which indicates possession, and "you're", a contraction of "you are." It is about as bad as when I hear people say "irregardless", which isn't even a f&@*$%g word!
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I read right through it and didn't even notice. I had no problem understanding what he was saying. "Your" just prune. Get a life.:loco:
 
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orangepridenation said:
It would probably be easier to sell if we weren't coming off a 5-7 season thanks to Dooley.
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:loco:
Dooley's first class finished in top 10 and this is when the program was under NCAA investigation (that is worse than inheriting 5-7 finish). Certainly the best staff in America (with the system that can't fail) should have easily beat that when they even had more time than Dooley.
 
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TGVol said:
:loco:
Dooley's first class finished in top 10 and this is when the program was under NCAA investigation (that is worse than inheriting 5-7 finish). Certainly the best staff in America (with the system that can't fail) should have easily beat that when they even had more time than Dooley.
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Yeah you win...we're doomed...initiating give-up sequence Don't Go Vols...meh wimper
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TGVol said:
:loco:
Dooley's first class finished in top 10 and this is when the program was under NCAA investigation (that is worse than inheriting 5-7 finish). Certainly the best staff in America (with the system that can't fail) should have easily beat that when they even had more time than Dooley.
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So. Ignorant.
 
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TGVol said:
:loco:
Dooley's first class finished in top 10 and this is when the program was under NCAA investigation (that is worse than inheriting 5-7 finish). Certainly the best staff in America (with the system that can't fail) should have easily beat that when they even had more time than Dooley.
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Please go back and look at who was already enrolled in that class.
 
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butchna said:
Yeah you win...we're doomed...initiating give-up sequence Don't Go Vols...meh wimper
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Why would you say that? The only difference between me and you (and quite a few others like you) is that I think it's possible to support the program and coach withouth blindly worshiping them (that is what the church is for). All the boasting 'this coach finally gets' it or 'we finally have a coach' etc - that is all just dumb. In my opinion we have a new coach who may end up doing a good job here (or not). Nothing more or less is required (and I will still be very excited come game time and support the team no matter what). By the way, I did not worship Dooley either (but he made fewer bombastic statements and salesman like promises when he joined so I found him more believable and less annoying because salesy over the top stuff turns me off).
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It just seems a little hypocritical that you are fighting the people who bash our previous coach by bashing our current coach, who is giving his all for Tennessee right now.

If I have followed your argument, in part, so far, you've stated that CBJ needs to prove himself with results, and you've inferred that his historical results have been less than stellar.

However, his historical results are far superior to the coach that you are defending. And while stating that he needs to prove it on the field, you're defending the coach whose results on the field were the worst in UT history.

In any event, it's the height of hypocrisy to call out the people thrashing CDD with the defense that he gave his all for UT, while thrashing our current coach, who is giving his all for UT. lol

It's possible to defend CDD while showing the same amount of loyalty to our current coach. It's not an either/or proposition.
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Why did this not get more attention? Or a rebuttal?

Could not have said it better myself.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
It's possible to defend CDD while showing the same amount of loyalty to our current coach. It's not an either/or proposition.
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It is not possible to defend CDD and support CBJ at the same time when the thread argument is most often positioned 'we finally have a coach who gets it and thank god we got rid of the horrible coach we had before'. I don't choose to open up or position threads this way (I have actually never even started any thread on these forums - I'm always reacting to this because I find it very annoying). And if you find me thrashing CBJ on any thread that is not actually positioned for thrashing Dooley feel free to call me on it.
 
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