"Difference is Unreal" Says Current Player

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VolinWayne said:
If being optimistic about the way our new coach is doing things is called supporting him blindy then yes. I am guilty as charged. Also, I have seldom thrashed Dooley. He had my full support untill the MO game. It was then that I realized that as good a guy as he seemed to be, he simply was not a winner. He never has been.
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Can I ask what proved to u the guy was not a winner from that game?? Was it the fact the guy decided to go into overtime?? If so that doesnt prove anything other than he saw what he saw and didn't want to take a chance. When he made that call a mizzou fan sitting near by asked me what he was doing and I told him that he must not have confidence in them to getting it done and thinks he can do it in OT. Exactly what he said in the presser. If I could see why he made it than it's not really that hard to see.

We have to remember that the D (and people bash these kids that played their hearts out yet they defend CBJ as if he's already done something grand for UT by just taking his so-called "dream-job") gave the O the ball back 2 times in the 4th with us up 28-21. They just didn't get it done. The play that mizzou scored on was made up in the dirt by DBG which is tough to defend. Just because Dooley thought it was best to take it to OT doesn't make him a loser. It was an executive decision. He knew his team better than we fans did. There's no guarentee that if he would have went for it at the end of the 4th that good things would have happened.

What drives me nuts is that people say Bray was pissed so he should have went for it. That's not brays call. If he wanted to win he would have put the game away earlier. The people that back bray for being pissed for dooley not going for it are the same that let thier kids run the house or whose parents let them.

GoVols15 said:
People like you really amaze me! You takes the opinion of one Bearcat press person along with the comments of a few upset fans but can't look at facts. There really is no use responding to your "off the wall" comments. Like others on here, I will not respond to you any further unless you post something with fact and an opinion based upon facts.
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Ok bud I'll be wait for your takes on fact when theys are post. :good!: I really don't know how to take your post man. Other than :faceplam:

Seriously man the guy shopped himself around like a cheap whore...that's a fact!!!!!!! Just cause he threw some crap out about this being his "dream job" doesn't mean jack!! I and few others read it as a pure salesman crap and it is what it is.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
You must have talent, heart, desire, chemistry, attitude, leadership and coaching. The 2013 VOLS have all these qualities now it seems. Expecting great things from this group. We have lacked at least one or more of these traits over the past 4 yrs and it shows especially in the second half of games. Could have been 8-10 more wins if all these traits were displayed.
Can't wait to see this group of young men compete together and bring UT back to the top where they belong!

GBO

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And UT is still lacking 1 of those traits, Talent. UT's talent level is closer to Vandy, Miss ST, AU and KY than it is to Bama, Fla , Ga, LSU or USCe. Until UT starts getting a top 5 recruiting class, at least in the SEC, they won't compete for any titles. I expect UT to look better next year because of the OL but after next year, with most of the OL leaving, UT will fall back to where it has been the last few years.
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Tnrdgerunr said:
And UT is still lacking 1 of those traits, Talent. UT's talent level is closer to Vandy, Miss ST, AU and KY than it is to Bama, Fla , Ga, LSU or USCe. Until UT starts getting a top 5 recruiting class, at least in the SEC, they won't compete for any titles. I expect UT to look better next year because of the OL but after next year, with most of the OL leaving, UT will fall back to where it has been the last few years.
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Glad the players don't share your attitude. I hope the coaches coach it out of them if they do.

I honestly cannot imagine going through life with such a loser feeling. But that's just me.

PS: if you ever wanna share lottery numbers, let me know. It's cool you already know what the future holds this far ahead.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Can I ask what proved to u the guy was not a winner from that game?? Was it the fact the guy decided to go into overtime?? If so that doesnt prove anything other than he saw what he saw and didn't want to take a chance. When he made that call a mizzou fan sitting near by asked me what he was doing and I told him that he must not have confidence in them to getting it done and thinks he can do it in OT. Exactly what he said in the presser. If I could see why he made it than it's not really that hard to see.

We have to remember that the D (and people bash these kids that played their hearts out yet they defend CBJ as if he's already done something grand for UT by just taking his so-called "dream-job") gave the O the ball back 2 times in the 4th with us up 28-21. They just didn't get it done. The play that mizzou scored on was made up in the dirt by DBG which is tough to defend. Just because Dooley thought it was best to take it to OT doesn't make him a loser. It was an executive decision. He knew his team better than we fans did. There's no guarentee that if he would have went for it at the end of the 4th that good things would have happened.

What drives me nuts is that people say Bray was pissed so he should have went for it. That's not brays call. If he wanted to win he would have put the game away earlier. The people that back bray for being pissed for dooley not going for it are the same that let thier kids run the house or whose parents let them.



Ok bud I'll be wait for your takes on fact when theys are post. :good!: I really don't know how to take your post man. Other than :faceplam:

Seriously man the guy shopped himself around like a cheap whore...that's a fact!!!!!!! Just cause he threw some crap out about this being his "dream job" doesn't mean jack!! I and few others read it as a pure salesman crap and it is what it is.
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Oskie, all I can say is I guess my POV is different then your POV. If you are going to defend his coaching in that game I seriously do not have the time or desire to argue with you. It is pointless.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Seriously man the guy shopped himself around like a cheap whore...that's a fact!!!!!!! Just cause he threw some crap out about this being his "dream job" doesn't mean jack!! I and few others read it as a pure salesman crap and it is what it is.
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No, the man interviewed for better jobs. That is what successful people do. I don't doubt that Jones thought of Tennessee as a dream job, maybe not his only. He probably salivated in his mind thinking about coaching at Tennessee, with all of our assets and recent coaching fails. He has confidence and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as he doesn't overstate it. I think Jones will be successful, but let's face it, he's playing with the real big dogs now. There will be successes and failures along the way, but only time will tell. We should support him through both. It's college football.
 
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VolinWayne said:
Oskie, all I can say is I guess my POV is different then your POV. If you are going to defend his coaching in that game I seriously do not have the time or desire to argue with you. It is pointless.
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Vol Main said:
No, the man interviewed for better jobs. That is what successful people do. I don't doubt that Jones thought of Tennessee as a dream job, maybe not his only. He probably salivated in his mind thinking about coaching at Tennessee, with all of our assets and recent coaching fails. He has confidence and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as he doesn't overstate it. I think Jones will be successful, but let's face it, he's playing with the real big dogs now. There will be successes and failures along the way, but only time will tell. We should support him through both. It's college football.
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You guys just aren't exercising enough "creative intuition" in your conceptual thinking. It' a lost cause.

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Yes!!! All you need is attitude!! Recruiting does not matter!!! Just be positive and good results will come!!!! I loves me sum buuuuutch!!!!!
 
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vollygirl said:
Glad the players don't share your attitude. I hope the coaches coach it out of them if they do.

I honestly cannot imagine going through life with such a loser feeling. But that's just me.

PS: if you ever wanna share lottery numbers, let me know. It's cool you already know what the future holds this far ahead.
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He's not a loser just because he thinks we will suck 2 years from now. Heck, we WILL suck. Butch's recruiting was subpar at best. It has nothing to do with being a loser. Why don't you check out the top recruiting teams from the SEC last year and then check out the final standings? THEN come back and tell me recruiting blue chippers does not matter.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
He's not a loser just because he thinks we will suck 2 years from now. Heck, we WILL suck. Butch's recruiting was subpar at best. It has nothing to do with being a loser. Why don't you check out the top recruiting teams from the SEC last year and then check out the final standings? THEN come back and tell me recruiting blue chippers does not matter.
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It has all to do with having a loser mentality. Congrats. 2 yrs from now will reap the same result, whether you have a loser mentality about it or roll with it.
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
He's not a loser just because he thinks we will suck 2 years from now. Heck, we WILL suck. Butch's recruiting was subpar at best. It has nothing to do with being a loser. Why don't you check out the top recruiting teams from the SEC last year and then check out the final standings? THEN come back and tell me recruiting blue chippers does not matter.
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Back the hell up. I didn't call him a loser. I said I wasn't fond of a loser attitude. Big difference.

Where did I say recruiting talent doesn't matter? Oh that's right, I didn't. If you want to have a conversation and not just run off at the mouth, THEN you hollar at me. Cool?
 
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I am confident that the product on the field will improve under Butch Jones. However, he will not return us to national prominence until we start bringing in elite talent on a consistent basis. This is his first full year, so he has my full support.
 
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TGVol said:
Going from having no good players on the roster and program under NCAA investigation to having one of the best offenses in the country and school history within 3 years (via great recruiting - i.e. Hunter, D Rogers, CP, o-line, J Graham, Pittman) is the definition of rebuilding. Only people who don't have a clue about football can think that the program Kiffin left behind could have started winning right away as soon as new coach was installed (whoever it was). And if it was not for Sunseri hiring Dooley easily could have gone 9-2 last year - you can blame that hiring on Dooley if you want but certainly that in itself cannot prove to anyone who has common sense that he is not a good coach.
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All that talent and he STILL couldn't win...He shut out all the past lettermen to the program, his entire coaching staff abandoned him because he was impossible to work with and even they saw the writing on the wall and jumped ship before it sank...As seen throughout his career at UT he had no clue what he was doing...But you keep on worshipping that loser.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
All that talent and he STILL couldn't win
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Fulmer had more than 3 bad years bad but also won the NC and is in hall of fame. Is he a terrible coach because he had those bad years? Majors had bad years as well as well as did many other great coaches at other schools (Bowden, Patterno, Spurrier, etc). Three years is not even close to enough time to judge whether someone is bad (or good). What you need to look at is whether what coach tried to do to improve the programs made sense or not. It's logical to look at recruiting first when you are rebuilding and Dooley did a great job there. Unfortunately that did not translate to wins in his year 3 (mostly due to Sunseri but that's all water under the bridge now).
 
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TGVol said:
Fulmer had more than 3 bad years bad but also won the NC and is in hall of fame. Is he a terrible coach because he had those bad years? Majors had bad years as well as well as did many other great coaches at other schools (Bowden, Patterno, Spurrier, etc). Three years is not even close to enough time to judge whether someone is bad (or good). What you need to look at is whether what coach tried to do to improve the programs made sense or not. It's logical to look at recruiting first when you are rebuilding and Dooley did a great job there. Unfortunately that did not translate to wins in his year 3 (mostly due to Sunseri but that's all water under the bridge now).
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In 6 years Dooley had 1 winning season in 2008 when he led LA Tech to an 8-5 record. The other 5 years were all losing seasons. I am not bashing Dooley but comparing him to Fulmer is just plain stupid. There comes a point in your career as a head coach where you pretty much are what your record says you are.
 
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VolinWayne said:
In 6 years Dooley had 1 winning season in 2008 when he led LA Tech to an 8-5 record. The other 5 years were all losing seasons. I am not bashing Dooley but comparing him to Fulmer is just plain stupid. There comes a point in your career as a head coach where you pretty much are what your record says you are.
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If CDD had 3 loosing seasons at UT where he won a game or two per year your argument would be more convincing. However, he hovered around .500 (with several close and frankly very unlucky breaks along the way, as well as 2 inexcusable loses - UK and Vandy). And be honest - do you think if he would have beaten UK and Vandy and gotten into the low level bowl games (and end up with barely winning records during last couple of years) - do you think that the haters asking for him to be fired would be ok with that? No way - they wanted him out no matter what - and they are not willing to recognize that we were much better this year - we played UGA, SC, M State down to the wire (on the road) - and those were all solid ranked teams - so the progress this last year was obvious since we also had one of the best offenses in the country.
 
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TGVol said:
If CDD had 3 loosing seasons at UT where he won a game or two per year your argument would be more convincing. However, he hovered around .500 (with several close and frankly very unlucky breaks along the way, as well as 2 inexcusable loses - UK and Vandy). And be honest - do you think if he would have beaten UK and Vandy and gotten into the low level bowl games (and end up with barely winning records during last couple of years) - do you think that the haters asking for him to be fired would be ok with that? No way - they wanted him out no matter what - and they are not willing to recognize that we were much better this year - we played UGA, SC, M State down to the wire (on the road) - and those were all solid ranked teams - so the progress this last year was obvious since we also had one of the best offenses in the country.
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6-7
5-7
4-7

Above are his records the past 3 years. 15 -21 . If you still want to argue go find someone else. I am not interested.
 
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TGVol said:
Fulmer had more than 3 bad years bad but also won the NC and is in hall of fame. Is he a terrible coach because he had those bad years? Majors had bad years as well as well as did many other great coaches at other schools (Bowden, Patterno, Spurrier, etc). Three years is not even close to enough time to judge whether someone is bad (or good). What you need to look at is whether what coach tried to do to improve the programs made sense or not. It's logical to look at recruiting first when you are rebuilding and Dooley did a great job there. Unfortunately that did not translate to wins in his year 3 (mostly due to Sunseri but that's all water under the bridge now).
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You serious clark?

Fulmer's worst 3 seasons (8-5, 5-6, 5-7, 18-18 total) were better than Dooley's best.

Fulmer went 10 seasons before losing 21 games. Bowden went 8 seasons before he lost his 21st game. Paterno went 11 seasons before losing 21 games. Spurrier went 8 seasons before losing 21 games.

Having a few bad seasons does not make you a bad coach. Having more bad seasons than good make you a bad coach.

You failed this analogy.
 
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TGVol said:
If CDD had 3 loosing seasons at UT where he won a game or two per year your argument would be more convincing. However, he hovered around .500 (with several close and frankly very unlucky breaks along the way, as well as 2 inexcusable loses - UK and Vandy). And be honest - do you think if he would have beaten UK and Vandy and gotten into the low level bowl games (and end up with barely winning records during last couple of years) - do you think that the haters asking for him to be fired would be ok with that? No way - they wanted him out no matter what - and they are not willing to recognize that we were much better this year - we played UGA, SC, M State down to the wire (on the road) - and those were all solid ranked teams - so the progress this last year was obvious since we also had one of the best offenses in the country.
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Give it up Barbara...Precious is with the Cowboys now. Time to move on.
 
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TGVol said:
If CDD had 3 loosing seasons at UT where he won a game or two per year your argument would be more convincing. However, he hovered around .500 (with several close and frankly very unlucky breaks along the way, as well as 2 inexcusable loses - UK and Vandy). And be honest - do you think if he would have beaten UK and Vandy and gotten into the low level bowl games (and end up with barely winning records during last couple of years) - do you think that the haters asking for him to be fired would be ok with that? No way - they wanted him out no matter what - and they are not willing to recognize that we were much better this year - we played UGA, SC, M State down to the wire (on the road) - and those were all solid ranked teams - so the progress this last year was obvious since we also had one of the best offenses in the country.
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Dooley was a terrible head coach, and there is simply no denying that fact. The only thing he did even remotely well was recruit at a very modest level. He left just enough talent for CBJ to potentially "overachieve" with in year 1. That's about it, and it's nothing special.
 
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orangepridenation said:
The only thing he did even remotely well was recruit at a very modest level.
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:lolabove: Very modest recruiting? CP, Hunter, and D Rogers (among others) disagree (and I'm sure a lot of NFL poeple evaluating them right now at combines as well).
In all 3 years CDD finished above CBJ in recruiting and never behind Vandy (and he had less time than CBJ in his first year but finished in top 10). Also I guess building one of the best offenses in the country means nothing to you as well.
But you are right that if CBJ does anything meaningful in his first year or two a good amount of credit for that should go to Dooley as well.
 
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