Different camera angle on Pig Fumble. MUST SEE!

#626
#626
govols/cc said:
Yea if you choose to disregard the fact he was losing the ball as soon as he dove.
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He may of been losing the ball, but he hadn't lost it yet... About half way through the plane he loses it completely...... Therefore inconclusive at best......
 
#627
#627
govols/cc said:
Yea if you choose to disregard the fact he was losing the ball as soon as he dove.
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Where is the evidence for that?
Your imagination is not evidence.

The video evidence shows complete control with ball in grasp of left hand all the way to plane of goal. No separation, no wobbles, nothing but fingers and thumb on ball.
 
#628
#628
This picture shows how close the call was. Notice the shadow of the ball versus the shadow of the pylon. The lead point of the ball turned forward when Pig was jarred by the hit and it came loose and the applying forces unguided by his hand predominated. When he had control he was holding the lead point of the ball at an angle to the plane.

In my view this is the instant he lost possession at a point after the ball crossed the plane.

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American Pig said:
Where is the evidence for that?
Your imagination is not evidence.

The video evidence shows complete control with ball in grasp of left hand all the way to plane of goal. No separation, no wobbles, nothing but fingers and thumb on ball.
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Not true. There is a pic a couple of pages back that shows his thumb off the ball a half yard out.
 
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govols/cc said:
Yea if you choose to disregard the fact he was losing the ball as soon as he dove.
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This makes no sense. The photo shows two hand on the ball where he was transferring at the point that he began his dive.
 
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#631
govols/cc said:
Yea if you choose to disregard the fact he was losing the ball as soon as he dove.
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If you cant tell by the video posted that he didn't lose the ball, he simply placed into his left hand from his right hand by the nose of the football then you are beyond help.
 
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PeytonBerry said:
I don't mean to dwell on the past, but they showed the fumble from a different view on the local channel. During the broadcast, the side angle made it look like he never had control with his left hand, but in this video he clearly did. And from my vantage point, he maintained control until the very moment the ball separated from his finger tips.

This is the very reason why video evidence must be INDISPUTABLE. After seeing this video and going back to the side angle, I am more convinced that the evidence was NOT indisputable. If there is any shred of doubt, the call stands.

With all that said, I couldn't be more proud of our guys, and honestly, the biggest win today came on the recruiting front, and my best guess is we won BIG. GO VOLS!!!

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he never had control in left hand, never.. once his right let go, ball was not controlled and that shot doesn't refute the other angle. the side shot was obvious he never had it and he would tell you that.. its bad luck but that is what it is
 
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bamawriter said:
Not true. There is a pic a couple of pages back that shows his thumb off the ball a half yard out.
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BS. I've seen every shot a zillion times. He clearly gripped the ball in his left hand intentionally for the final dive. Why in the hell would he release his thumb in the middle of the dive? That's absurd. He even turned the nose of the ball outward to complete the dive. That REQUIRES a thumb.

Facts are facts.
 
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Alto1 said:
He may of been losing the ball, but he hadn't lost it yet... About half way through the plane he loses it completely...... Therefore inconclusive at best......
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So you admit he was losing the ball which meant without complete control was a fumble. That is conclusive.
 
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Bryan1 said:
If you cant tell by the video posted that he didn't lose the ball, he simply placed into his left hand from his right hand by the nose of the football then you are beyond help.
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You proved what you were over 30 pages ago.
 
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LWSVOL said:
he never had control in left hand, never.. once his right let go, ball was not controlled and that shot doesn't refute the other angle. the side shot was obvious he never had it and he would tell you that.. its bad luck but that is what it is
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Where is your evidence?
Why should anyone who sees him clearly gripping the ball with his left hand and manipulating it's nose outward with zero separation believe he lost possession of the ball?

There is no evidence. Everyone got fooled by the initial video before it became clear that Pig deliberately changed the ball into the grasp of his left hand for the final dive.
 
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American Pig said:
BS. I've seen every shot a zillion times. He clearly gripped the ball in his left hand intentionally for the final dive. Why in the hell would he release his thumb in the middle of the dive? That's absurd. He even turned the nose of the ball outward to complete the dive. That REQUIRES a thumb.

Facts are facts.
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He didnt release his thumb he never had the ball. You're right facts are facts.
 
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American Pig said:
Where is your evidence?
Why should anyone who sees him clearly gripping the ball with his left hand and manipulating it's nose outward with zero separation believe he lost possession of the ball?

There is no evidence. Everyone got fooled by the initial video before it became clear that Pig deliberately changed the ball into the grasp of his left hand for the final dive.
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Because no one saw him clearly gripping anything with his left hand or right hand or whatever which is why it was ruled a fumble. You guys are awesome at proving your own points you just can't believe yourselves.
 
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govols/cc said:
He didnt release his thumb he never had the ball. You're right facts are facts.
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Where is your evidence? Where is the video with separation between his fingers and the ball prior to goal? It simply doesn't exist. In FACT, every single piece of video shows ball in hand guiding to goal - and crossing, then a release.

Your imaginary 'loss of control' is pure imagination that has ZERO basis in evidence - much less conclusive.

Clearly he had the ball. Clearly he shifted hands deliberately and grasped the ball in his left hand.
 
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govols/cc said:
So you admit he was losing the ball which meant without complete control was a fumble. That is conclusive.
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He still had control when he crossed the start of the plane with his left hand..... INCONLUSIVE
 
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#646
Hell, that pic clearly shows 4 fingers on the ball, his thumb obviously on the other side of the ball.
 
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#647
Bryan1 said:
Losing the ball? Earlier you said he lost it as soon as it comes out of his right hand.
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They need to grasp at something when the video proves them wrong. The ball was clearly and deliberately moved to his left hand to gain extension for the dive. It never 'came out' of his right hand
 
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#648
American Pig said:
They need to grasp at something when the video proves them wrong. The ball was clearly and deliberately moved to his left hand to gain extension for the dive. It never 'came out' of his right hand
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Exactly! He switched hands with the ball going into the dive in order to extend it toward the goal line.
 
#650
#650
Y'all just choose to disregard the ball was flying out of his hand as soon as he dove. You can make every dropped pass look complete with a single frame still shot.
 
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