Disappearance of Dennis Martin-Unsolved Mystery in the Smokies

whats the angle on it being the wrong kid? anything about that family that would make them a target?

I'm not sure. I just don't believe in coincidences.

Another family coming up to the same spot as them. Introducing themselves and hanging out.

The kids get to playing.

Dennis was 15-20 foot from his dad. He dad looks over his shoulder and sees his son. Looks back again and he's gone.

His dad runs down the main trail screaming for his son and he doesn't hear him?

No one knows (that we know of) any more detail on the other family.

It's just odd to me.
 
Have you seen that episode of criminal minds where a family kidnaps a child so that the family's child will marry the kidnapped child? For some reason this story reminds me of that.
 
i can buy kid napping. but I can't buy it was targeted. no real quick get away. why risk it with more people around than if individual?

but I can also see getting lost. Been separated a few times in some similar country. never once heard the call from family. thankfully it was somewhere I was familiar with and found my way back. one wrong step sees him tumble into a ravine, hurt, maybe unconscious he gets washed away in the rain. or he goes exploring or hiding, gets into a ravine and gets to far away.

lots of possibilities.
 
In those mountains if you cross one ridge you might as well be in another universe. I'm not buying the part where father sees kid one second and is running down the trail the next. The kids were playing hide and go seek, no need to worry for at least several minutes,the object of the game is not to be found.
 
i can buy kid napping. but I can't buy it was targeted. no real quick get away. why risk it with more people around than if individual?

but I can also see getting lost. Been separated a few times in some similar country. never once heard the call from family. thankfully it was somewhere I was familiar with and found my way back. one wrong step sees him tumble into a ravine, hurt, maybe unconscious he gets washed away in the rain. or he goes exploring or hiding, gets into a ravine and gets to far away.

lots of possibilities.

You need to listen to his dad. There wasn't but seconds between him looking over his shoulder

The kid didn't just up an walk off. They were playing hide and go seek.

Had he wandered off, his body would have been found.
 
I'll be honest, I had never heard of this case until now...but it was before my time. This is so sad, and scary. I can't imagine how the rest of their life was after this day. So sad.
 
I understand these stories can seem strange and explanations can appear logical, but to me they are trying to put a fence around the unknown. It's the fear of the simple vastness of our world that compels us to create tales that tie up "the strange" into nice packages. Hundreds of years ago when ships on the sea went missing, they were the victims of krakens, sea dragons, and various other monsters of the deep. The idea that men simply went out into the open water and never returned home was unnerving, so surely they met some sort of dramatic fate. But we know they weren't eaten by dragons or marooned with mermaids. Their ships capsized, they got lost, disease incapacitated them. Look at the Malaysian Air plane that went missing, all the theories of what happened. How could a plane that size disappear? Well a plane that size in the Indian Ocean is the equivalent of losing an object as long and as wide as the thickness of a credit card on a football field. Now shatter than into thousands of pieces and good luck finding it. That's hard to wrap your mind around. A conspiracy is a soothing solution. It defines the unknown.

It's a strange juxtaposition to see people piled on top of each other on the Gatlinburg strip, and know that not too far away is a forest you could get lost in and never be see again. A week and half ago two women died at Cummins Falls, one a hiker and the other searching for the first. It's not hard to get into a lot of trouble quickly in the woods. It's even easier for a small child. Slip down a bank and hit your head on a rock, if no one sees you that's game over. Come to and it's dark and your family has left, what chance would a small kid have? A forest(or any natural setting) can be dangerous enough, the spectre of hill people and roaming lunatics is just the product of minds attempting to rationalize bad things happening in a large unknown space.
 
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So, one theory is that someone, maybe the mob, was set to kidnap a kid with the last name of Martin and they kidnapped a kid from the wrong family?
 
I understand these stories can seem strange and explanations can appear logical, but to me they are trying to put a fence around the unknown. It's the fear of the simple vastness of our world that compels us to create tales that tie up "the strange" into nice packages. Hundreds of years ago when ships on the sea went missing, they were the victims of krakens, sea dragons, and various other monsters of the deep. The idea that men simply went out into the open water and never returned home was unnerving, so surely they met some sort of dramatic fate. But we know they weren't eaten by dragons or marooned with mermaids. Their ships capsized, they got lost, disease incapacitated them. Look at the Malaysian Air plane that went missing, all the theories of what happened. How could a plane that size disappear? Well a plane that size in the Indian Ocean is the equivalent of losing an object as long and as wide as the thickness of a credit card on a football field. Now shatter than into thousands of pieces and good luck finding it. That's hard to wrap your mind around. A conspiracy is a soothing solution. It defines the unknown.

It's a strange juxtaposition to see people piled on top of each other on the Gatlinburg strip, and know that not too far away is a forest you could get lost in and never be see again. A week and half ago two women died at Cummins Falls, one a hiker and the other searching for the first. It's not hard to get into a lot of trouble quickly in the woods. It's even easier for a small child. Slip down a bank and hit your head on a rock, if no one sees you that's game over. Come to and it's dark and your family has left, what chance would a small kid have? A forest(or any natural setting) can be dangerous enough, the spectre of hill people and roaming lunatics is just the product of minds attempting to rationalize bad things happening in a large unknown space.

Not only that, but it's been proven in cases like this that people's recollection of time and distance are usually off significantly.

The dad truly believes it was just "seconds", but experts have found when people are remembering the events they severely understate how long it was and how far they were away. The "seconds" could have been several minutes, and in hindsight seemed like seconds.

For example, I was reading about one account of a hiker going missing after he got seperated from the group he was with. The members of the group stated they were only seperated "a minute or two" and several feet. After interviewing and going over accounts, the investigators realized it was more like 15 minutes and likely much further than they originally thought.
 
Not only that, but it's been proven in cases like this that people's recollection of time and distance are usually off significantly.

The dad truly believes it was just "seconds", but experts have found when people are remembering the events they severely understate how long it was and how far they were away. The "seconds" could have been several minutes, and in hindsight seemed like seconds.

For example, I was reading about one account of a hiker going missing after he got seperated from the group he was with. The members of the group stated they were only seperated "a minute or two" and several feet. After interviewing and going over accounts, the investigators realized it was more like 15 minutes and likely much further than they originally thought.

Isn't there a saying by investigators that eyewitnesses are the worst witnesses?
 
Isn't there a saying by investigators that eyewitnesses are the worst witnesses?

The cop that did our DARE program said they would do bank robbery drills with tellers and such to see how they fared. He said they could never get the robber's height right, and that's with the markers on the door. Their physical descriptions would rarely match the guys that went in. In traumatic events some people simply short circuit and start stitching together incongruent memories or even things their mind fabricated. They're not trying to be deceitful, they just have a very difficult time remembering what happened.
 
The cop that did our DARE program said they would do bank robbery drills with tellers and such to see how they fared. He said they could never get the robber's height right, and that's with the markers on the door. Their physical descriptions would rarely match the guys that went in. In traumatic events some people simply short circuit and start stitching together incongruent memories or even things their mind fabricated. They're not trying to be deceitful, they just have a very difficult time remembering what happened.

Yep. You have to backfill gaps and it's easier to just connect major things you remember together. I.e. the person remembers playing hide and seek and remembers figuing out someone was missing, and then backfills in that it was "only a few seconds". In reality it was extremely likely it was much longer, and it's not like you were watching a clock.
 
There was a show about mysteries in the Smokys a few weeks ago. Said the Masons might have been involved and there is some secret tunnel complex.

Mysteries of the Outdoors on the Travel Channel on July 17th.
 
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There was a show about mysteries in the Smokys a few weeks ago. Said the Masons might have been involved and there is some secret tunnel complex.

Mysteries of the Outdoors on the Travel Channel on July 17th.

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I think the fact is that this little boy was abducted in broad daylight. All the evidence and facts point in that direction. The green berets and fbi wouldnt have been so interested and involved in this disappearance if the boy simply wandered off. We also have the eyewitnesses who saw someone or something carrying what appeared to by something on its shoulders in the cades cove area in the same time frame that dennis vanished.

Now you have to wonder whatever did this was extremely stealthy, had a lot of strength and moved extremely fast to get this boy from spence field down to the cades cove area where that family saw what they saw.

What i think happened is whatever entity this was, had been tracking the martins along the Appalachian trail and when the family got to spence field it was hiding. Remember, spence field is surrounded by dense forest, so this thing could easily stay hidden and not be seen. I think when dennis went to hide behind the tree, the thing snatched dennis and took off. It was able to immediately incapicitate dennis so he couldnt scream. I think it stayed off the trail and moved quickly through the forest with dennis on its shoulders. It either took dennis underground or hid his body somewhere.

The fact of the matter is that this little boy was abducted, the presence of the green beret and fbi really emphasizes that point. Its a shame that the martin family WAS stonewalled, not only by the fbi, but also by the park system and local media. William Martin went to his grave never noing what happened to his little boy and that is just a tradegy in itself
 
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