Do you believe in the SEC conspiracy?

Do you believe in the SEC conspiracy?

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#51
#51
I don't believe it is a conspiracy, I simply believe Slive has handled this whole mess horribly, it has simply come to a head this season with all the inept calls. What is more telling is it continues to fester every week, some new controversial call or a completely blown call altogether. Slive has created a serious problem for himself this year, he suspended one totally inept crew, yet the bad officiating continued. When coaches had seen enough and publicly criticized the officiating he came down hard on the coaches, yet the bad calls continued. All this only adds to the perception people have about the quality of the officiating in the SEC and in a large part the perception is correct. The officiating in the SEC has been piss poor this year, Slive's actions actually give fuel for the fire for those that believe there is a conspiracy.
 
#53
#53
BEARWHO? said:
OK, If it's an ALA/FLA conspiracy this year what happens next year and the year after? If it's an on going thing then some fans of other schools are delusional. How can you cry conspiracy in one thread and SEC champs in 2 years on the next. I believe there may be something underhanded going on and ALA/FLA are the benificiaries this year. Will they be next year? Who knows. I think it's an SEC at all cost conspiracy. May the best team win...as long it's from the conference!
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I'm starting to see the problem here. You just aren't very bright. The argument is that the SEC wants the higest TV ratings possible for the title game and wants to protect a position in the national title game because it makes money for the conference.
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#54
#54
BEARWHO? said:
OK, If it's an ALA/FLA conspiracy this year what happens next year and the year after? If it's an on going thing then some fans of other schools are delusional. How can you cry conspiracy in one thread and SEC champs in 2 years on the next. I believe there may be something underhanded going on and ALA/FLA are the benificiaries this year. Will they be next year? Who knows. I think it's an SEC at all cost conspiracy. May the best team win...as long it's from the conference!
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If this is truly what you believe then does that make it any better, much less right?

Perhaps I misunderstood your post but it seems to me as if you actually believe there may be a conspiracy of some sort. If UT was considered the the team to beat for it's division and helped along with horrible calls I wouldn't feel any better about the state of the conference and it's officiating crews.
 
#56
#56
I've seen the games, It's crap! BAMA is undefeated and I can't feel good about it. Would the calls have made a difference in the outcome, probably not. I'm an SEC fan first and foremost and it sux that we're the butt of national joke. IF TN or another SEC school gets hot next year and begins to get the "treatment" will you defend the calls or will you let it go. I haven't questioned your intelligence? or trash talked. You don't know me from Adam so don't question mine.
 
#57
#57
KB5252 said:
I don't believe it is a conspiracy, I simply believe Slive has handled this whole mess horribly, it has simply come to a head this season with all the inept calls. What is more telling is it continues to fester every week, some new controversial call or a completely blown call altogether. Slive has created a serious problem for himself this year, he suspended one totally inept crew, yet the bad officiating continued. When coaches had seen enough and publicly criticized the officiating he came down hard on the coaches, yet the bad calls continued. All this only adds to the perception people have about the quality of the officiating in the SEC and in a large part the perception is correct. The officiating in the SEC has been piss poor this year, Slive's actions actually give fuel for the fire for those that believe there is a conspiracy.
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Lane Kiffin's remarks about officiating following the UT@UA game were not only incorrect and unjustified, they did more than anything else to fan the flames of the now out of control media assault on the SEC.
 
#58
#58
Tidal Surge said:
Lane Kiffin's remarks about officiating following the UT@UA game were not only incorrect and unjustified, they did more than anything else to fan the flames of the now out of control media assault on the SEC.
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Absolute crap. 1 penalty on AL and a phantom holding call did the deed.
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#59
#59
Tidal Surge said:
Lane Kiffin's remarks about officiating following the UT@UA game were not only incorrect and unjustified, they did more than anything else to fan the flames of the now out of control media assault on the SEC.
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I have stated repeatedly that Kiffin was wrong. As for the assertion that his remarks did more than anything else to fan the flames couldn't be more off base. It is the continued bad officiating that has fanned these flames more than anything else. Because of Slive and his officiating crews performance all calls are now under the microscope, this was true even before Kiffin opened his mouth about officiating. Every call since the officiating that led to the suspension of that first crew has been fair game in the medias eye. Trying to blame it on one man is reaching to say the least.
 
#60
#60
BEARWHO? said:
I've seen the games, It's crap! BAMA is undefeated and I can't feel good about it. Would the calls have made a difference in the outcome, probably not. I'm an SEC fan first and foremost and it sux that we're the butt of national joke. IF TN or another SEC school gets hot next year and begins to get the "treatment" will you defend the calls or will you let it go. I haven't questioned your intelligence? or trash talked. You don't know me from Adam so don't question mine.
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you ARE a Bammer fan, right?
you are NOT welcome here, take you conversations to the Bammer boards
 
#61
#61
BEARWHO? said:
I've seen the games, It's crap! BAMA is undefeated and I can't feel good about it. Would the calls have made a difference in the outcome, probably not. I'm an SEC fan first and foremost and it sux that we're the butt of national joke. IF TN or another SEC school gets hot next year and begins to get the "treatment" will you defend the calls or will you let it go. I haven't questioned your intelligence? or trash talked. You don't know me from Adam so don't question mine.
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Very entertaining.

Why do you feel the need to bring it here for sympathy? We don't care. We got jobbed in Tuscaloosa with the penalty discrepancy. The holding call that backed us up was garbage. You clowns bombarding our site aren't changing minds. You're actually steeling our resolve by looking guilty.
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#62
#62
I'd be more suspicious if it had been Vanderbilt and MSU kept undefeated by virtue of getting some questionable calls. But Florida and Alabama were expected to be undefeated at this point, or at least given a really good shot at it.

Conspiracy, shmonspiracy.

Get over it already.
 
#63
#63
lawgator1 said:
I'd be more suspicious if it had been Vanderbilt and MSU kept undefeated by virtue of getting some questionable calls. But Florida and Alabama were expected to be undefeated at this point, or at least given a really good shot at it.

Conspiracy, shmonspiracy.

Get over it already.
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Senseless post. Without some officiating help, each team is very likely to have a loss.

How does the SEC benefit by helping Vandy win?
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#64
#64
OK, you guys can have your little orange colored world (no outside opinions).

You really won at BAMA!
Your coach is the next big thing ( see overall win %)
You will win the SEC east in 2yrs ( despite an SEC conspiracy)
And TN has the most inteligent residents on the planet (see Government education standings)
 
#66
#66
BEARWHO? said:
OK, you guys can have your little orange colored world (no outside opinions).

You really won at BAMA!
Your coach is the next big thing ( see overall win %)
You will win the SEC east in 2yrs ( despite an SEC conspiracy)
And TN has the most inteligent residents on the planet (see Government education standings)
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Perhaps not the most intelligent but as I suspected they seem to score better than those from Alabama. Please stop trying to claim intellectual superiority, you are a bama fan it is futile.
 
#67
#67
KB5252 said:
I have stated repeatedly that Kiffin was wrong. As for the assertion that his remarks did more than anything else to fan the flames couldn't be more off base. It is the continued bad officiating that has fanned these flames more than anything else. Because of Slive and his officiating crews performance all calls are now under the microscope, this was true even before Kiffin opened his mouth about officiating. Every call since the officiating that led to the suspension of that first crew has been fair game in the medias eye. Trying to blame it on one man is reaching to say the least.
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I didn't try to blame it all on Kiffin. Ironic that so many Vols fans believe Kiffin's conspiracy theory and want to lay most if not all of the blame on one man, namely Slive ("Fire Slive" threads, etc.). Slive did the right thing in suspending the crew that screwed up so badly in the UGA/LSU and UF/Ark games. The SEC coaches whining to the media about officiating in games after that, the worst of whom was Kiffin, played the biggest role in turning what was a moderate probably controllable fire into a raging out of control wildfire and put Slive in a no win situation.
 
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#68
#68
Tidal Surge said:
Ironic that so many Vols fans believe Kiffin's conspiracy theory and want to lay most of the blame on one man, namely Slive.
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Everyone who believes there is a problem with officiating in the SEC, those who believe there is a conspiracy and those who believe we have a problem with poor officiating all put the blame on Slive. Rightfully so because he is the man that pulls the strings. Who else is to blame ultimately?

What is so ironic about that?
 
#69
#69
BigPapaVol said:
Senseless post. Without some officiating help, each team is very likely to have a loss.

How does the SEC benefit by helping Vandy win?
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Criticizing individual calls is fine, no problem there, we all do it. But there's a huge leap from that to, with straight face, claiming that the officials have some sort of agreement or have been instructed by conference officials to help out particular teams. There's no way people are going to do that, its silly. And there's no way it wouldn't have gotten out and become public.

This whole theory is designed by the media to give them something to say to knock the guys at the top, meaning UF and Alabama, because otherwise this has been an awfully unexciting year. I don't blame them, I'm a bit bored with it, too.
 
#70
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KB5252 said:
Everyone who believes there is a problem with officiating in the SEC, those who believe there is a conspiracy and those who believe we have a problem with poor officiating all put the blame on Slive. Rightfully so because he is the man that pulls the strings. Who else is to blame ultimately?

What is so ironic about that?
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The 'ironic' remark was meant to address your attempt to twist my words that I blamed Kiffin solely when in fact I don't and in fact it is Vols fans among others who tend to blame one person (Slive) and refuse to admit to themselves that Kiffin did much more to feed the ridiculous conspiracy theory and media problem than Slive did. I wasn't saying that I don't get their illogical conclusion that Slive is to blame. I know very well why they conclude that.

Slive made a strong statement in suspending that officiating crew -- the statement that there is no tolerance of officiating that inept -- officiating which looked to many to be biased. There was a lot of positive press about Slive taking that action. Then Kiffin and the other coaches whining about officiating in other games after the suspenion greatly undermined what Slive had done and put Slive in a no win situation. Those coaches gave the SEC/UF/UA hating media just what they wanted, and they were having a blast with it. Slive had to force the coaches to stop their public criticism of officiating, but in doing so that gave the SEC/UF/UA hating media fodder that Slive was favoring UF and UA.

Slive had already demonstrated that he would take strong action. Therefore, Kiffin and those other coaches should have been submitting their complaints about officiating to the SEC instead of violating the SEC code of ethics and whining to the media.
 
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#71
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Tidal Surge said:
Lane Kiffin's remarks about officiating following the UT@UA game were not only incorrect and unjustified, they did more than anything else to fan the flames of the now out of control media assault on the SEC.
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Do you believe that certain teams/players benefit from calls more than others (i.e., Greg Maddux would get the called strike just off the plate over the rookie with the same pitch or Michael Jordan would not be called for the charge whereas the rookie would)?

I have seen it happen all the times in sports. Call it conspiracy, bias, favoritism, or whatever you want. It happens. Kiffin calling attention to that bias is no different than those who pointed out Greg Maddux’s enlarged strike zone.
 
#72
#72
lawgator1 said:
I'd be more suspicious if it had been Vanderbilt and MSU kept undefeated by virtue of getting some questionable calls. But Florida and Alabama were expected to be undefeated at this point, or at least given a really good shot at it.

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You are correct. The refs have given them a really good shot at remaining undefeated.
 
#73
#73
lawgator1 said:
Criticizing individual calls is fine, no problem there, we all do it. But there's a huge leap from that to, with straight face, claiming that the officials have some sort of agreement or have been instructed by conference officials to help out particular teams. There's no way people are going to do that, its silly. And there's no way it wouldn't have gotten out and become public.

This whole theory is designed by the media to give them something to say to knock the guys at the top, meaning UF and Alabama, because otherwise this has been an awfully unexciting year. I don't blame them, I'm a bit bored with it, too.
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as are we with you
 
#74
#74
Tidal Surge said:
The irony remark was aimed at your attempt to twist my words that I blamed Kiffin solely when in fact I don't and in fact it is Vols fans among others who tend to blame one person (Slive) and refuse to admit to themselves that Kiffin did much more to feed the ridiculous conspiracy theory and media problem than Slive did.

Slive made a strong statement in suspending that officiating crew -- the statement that there is no tolerance of officiating that inept -- officiating which looked to many to be biased. Then Kiffin and the other coaches whining about officiating in other games after the suspenion greatly undermined what Slive had done and put Slive in a no win situation. Slive had to force the coaches to stop their public criticism of officiating, but in doing so that gave the SEC/UF/UA hating media fodder that Slive was favoring UF and UA.

Slive had already demonstrated that he would take strong action. Therefore, Kiffin and those other coaches should have been submitting their complaints about officiating to the SEC instead of violating the SEC code of ethics and whining to the media.
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Slive was in a no win situation because officiating continued to be sub par at best and downright terrible at worst.

And many other coaches did just that, the problem was even after the officials suspension there were equally bad calls being made or missed entirely. No suspensions handed out, suspending a crew after the fact does nothing, the fact that we have retained poor officials is a blemish on the SEC and Slive, he can only suspend so many.

Instead he chose to address the symptom and squash the legitimate criticism (most cases of criticism were legitimate). Many coaches who normally choose not to break ranks and criticize the officials chose to do so because it was that bad, that is an indictment on Slive no matter how you choose to spin it.

You chose to lay most of the blame for Slive having to take action on Kiffin and you couldn't be more wrong. He had to take action on coaches and officials because of poor officiating, Kiffin speaking out was not the problem, it was a symptom of the true problem (bad officiating).
 
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#75
#75
KB5252, it's obvious that you, like most of VolNation, bought every bit of what Kiffin was selling you all via his whining excuses after the UT/UA game.
 
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