Do you trust the federal government?

Do you trust the federal government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.3%

  • No

    Votes: 112 95.7%
  • Total voters
    117
#301
#301
McDad said:
I think I found it too. But he won't answer if there was one earlier. Posted the one I found.

I feel like I ruffled his feathers so I don't wanna assume and do the wrong thing.
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You haven't ruffled anything. Just looking for clarification.
 
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#302
#302
As of this post the tally is 59-3

That’s the score I’m predicting for the Vols opener!!! Woo!
 
#306
#306
Some things I trust more than government:

- Withdrawing $500 from a West Baltimore ATM at 2 AM, while a homeless drug addict named Wayne, armed with a shank, and jonsing for his next hit stands behind me

- Sending my daughters to Epstein’s Summer Camp for Young Women

- An airport cab driver at a Venezuelan airport
 
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#309
#309
BigOrangeTrain said:
Trying to equate trusting your parents to trusting the government is dumb even for you. I mean do you believe everything the government says? Even though they rape and steal from you?
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Easy there snowflake, when did the Government rape you?

Did your parents rape you?
 
#310
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luthervol said:
Arguably the most infamous example of “they knew and failed to,” Ford Motor Company was well aware that its Pinto was a potential death trap, but chose not to fix the problems. Ford knew from crash tests that the Pinto’s design rendered it liable to explode in rear-end collisions at speeds as low as 20 miles per hour. An internal memo from 1973, just two years after the Pinto’s launch, estimated that fixing the problem would cost just $11 per car, but that it would be cheaper to let people die. The same memo estimated the eventual death total at 180, with another 180 suffering serious burn injuries. Ford did not recall the 1.5 million Pintos for another five years. -
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When I turned 16 in 1979, I drove a 1971 yellow Runabout Pinto
 
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luthervol said:
I'll start with the interstate system.
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stole property from citizens without giving fair compensation, including preferring to go after low income/minority neighborhoods. Literally dividing most cities into a have/have not situation even when it wasn't already present in the city.
Weren't designed or maintained in a way for the benefit you think they are. The commercial benefits could have been facilitated much better with some simple changes, like not allowing an exit every miles in an urban area, or adding in a light or heavy rail component; which would have also helped with its original purpose of moving military equipment around.
lead to multiple compounding problems in this nation, over reliance on cars, spread of suburbia, destroying farm/arable land, several ecological disasters.
That's ignoring all of the site specific issues due to the fed's one-size-fits-all strategy that is costing our generations billions to deal with. I think its Boston who is currently spending eff tons of the money to deal with their interstate by digging tunnels, Baltimore had some severe local problems as well. and the only reason I know about those is because those cities are actively trying to deal with their specific issues. Atlanta's Grady Curve is another good example of a local specific issue, granted its not as severe as the issues I mentioned above, but it shows how the government's biased selection process lead to functional issues at a local level.
and it doesn't take into consideration the expansion of government powers with the feds using the interstate system as a means to control states through non-legislative means. then you have all the union-bs, bribes and corruption securing the jobs or permits.
Lack of common sense upgrades, or even repairs has lead to several continuing problems that we have let fester and rot instead of dealing with up front. and instead you get things like the "cross-over" solutions which just overly complicate things, cause confusion for users, and generally slows down traffic.

got any more cases of your "good" government you want to throw out there?
 
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#315
VOLS INC. said:
So what other government projects that disproportionately impacted the black community, tearing at their culture and driving them further into poverty are you in favor of?

You know, since you’ve counted the cost and all.
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gun control, the war on drugs, education, all the "greater good" medical experiments like Tuskegee. those are some more examples of his good government just looking out for the best.
 
#317
#317
LouderVol said:
stole property from citizens without giving fair compensation, including preferring to go after low income/minority neighborhoods. Literally dividing most cities into a have/have not situation even when it wasn't already present in the city.
Weren't designed or maintained in a way for the benefit you think they are. The commercial benefits could have been facilitated much better with some simple changes, like not allowing an exit every miles in an urban area, or adding in a light or heavy rail component; which would have also helped with its original purpose of moving military equipment around.
lead to multiple compounding problems in this nation, over reliance on cars, spread of suburbia, destroying farm/arable land, several ecological disasters.
That's ignoring all of the site specific issues due to the fed's one-size-fits-all strategy that is costing our generations billions to deal with. I think its Boston who is currently spending eff tons of the money to deal with their interstate by digging tunnels, Baltimore had some severe local problems as well. and the only reason I know about those is because those cities are actively trying to deal with their specific issues. Atlanta's Grady Curve is another good example of a local specific issue, granted its not as severe as the issues I mentioned above, but it shows how the government's biased selection process lead to functional issues at a local level.
and it doesn't take into consideration the expansion of government powers with the feds using the interstate system as a means to control states through non-legislative means. then you have all the union-bs, bribes and corruption securing the jobs or permits.
Lack of common sense upgrades, or even repairs has lead to several continuing problems that we have let fester and rot instead of dealing with up front. and instead you get things like the "cross-over" solutions which just overly complicate things, cause confusion for users, and generally slows down traffic.

got any more cases of your "good" government you want to throw out there?
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Already threw out a second one.
And none of what you said discounted the first.
 
#321
#321
luthervol said:
Defective Firestone tires on Ford Explorers took the lives of at least 271 people and seriously injured many more before the companies issued the largest tire recall in history. Internal company documents would later show that the two corporations had known of the deadly tire separation and associated rollover problems for years.
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Anything run by people is fallible and the selfish motivations of those in charge will drive a lot of the decision making. That includes government.

In fact, it’s especially true in government because there is no accountability. I could sue Firestone. Good luck successfully suing the federal government.
 
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#323
luthervol said:
Already threw out a second one.
And none of what you said discounted the first.
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what was the second? I missed it in the giant mcdad vs clarkvol spat.

how does it not discount it? you can't just ignore the ugly the side as if it doesn't exist. You tend to focus to on the short term gains by the government while ignoring the long term fallout, but when it comes to business you only focus on the long term issues.
you throwing out some big business stuff like it matters either. Consumers all chose those products. Please indicate where any of these government programs were by choice? and no one here said the big-corps were perfect or even good, like you believe the government is.

Government was the point of this thread, you had to throw businesses in here to be a red-herring to distract from arguments you don't have an answer for.
 
#325
#325
luthervol said:
Take the roads in your town or city if you need a different example.
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wait? is this your second example?

Its the same dang thing, just at a local scale.

inefficient, not well maintained or designed, is a one size fits all standard that usually doesn't work well, destroys local communities, built a system of the government-business feedback loop/chicken egg problem of governments giving preferential treatment to certain contractors, and then receiving bribes back in the form of donations. in some places it may be the egg before the chicken, but only possible because the government is able to force through objectively bad ideas and practices because they are the government.
 
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